Should we go for 7+4 combo in Oval test?

[Gollum]

Considering the fragile state of our batting won't it be a better idea to go with just Ashwin, Thakur and 2 other quicks? We used to employ this combo regularly in the 2000s and 2010s before Kohli's captaincy takeover. 

 

Something like:

 

KLR

Rohit

Shaw

Kohli (he isn't going anywhere)

Mayank/Vihari

Pant

SKY

Ashwin

Thakur

Siraj/Shami

Bumrah

 

Lot will depend on Ashwin (well rested) bowling bulk of the overs, since we don't have handy part-timers. But worth a shot? 

Edited August 27, 2021 by Gollum

[Gollum]

Think our batsmen will be mentally destroyed after this test. Like it happened in 2014 tour. Need fresh faces, and more depth, more shotmaking ability in our MO. 

[express bowling]

No  !

 

Bowling is our strength and we should not weaken it. 

 

Replacing Pujara and Rahane is the way to strengthen our batting.

[Gollum]

First 2 tests we underbowled Jaddu

 

T1: he bowled 16 out of total 152 overs

 

T2: he bowled 28 out of total 180 overs

 

This test Ishant was just a passenger. Had he not bowled with the new ball maybe Eng would never have got such a dream start.

 

We are always underutilizing one bowler. Even in WTC F Jaddu and Ashwin were underbowled, latter actually looked more threatening than most quicks on display from both sides. 

 

[Gollum]

This is where we are missing a Vijay Shankar in the MO, crying shame that he is in India when he should be owning that #5 spot against Eng and delivering 10-15 overs every innings. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if someone like him made better use of brand new ball. Easier to swing at his pace and trundlers generally rule in Eng. With the bat no way he would do worse than our trinity. 

[Lone Wolf]

Expecting to drop both Pujara & Rahane at once is stuff of dreams & ain't happening.  

As far as the idea goes I won't mind it at all. 

Edited August 27, 2021 by Lone Wolf

[Trichromatic]

12 minutes ago, express bowling said:

No  !

 

Bowling is our strength and we should not weaken it. 

 

Replacing Pujara and Rahane is the way to strengthen our batting.

 

This team badly needs an extra batsman.

 

Bowlers will do better if they have some runs to defend.

[Ankit_sharma03]

oval is generally flat and our bowler can have a long day in field like last time, then also we dropped pandya and opp made 500

5 bowlers are a must specially on flat wkts. Even batsman on bench arent great to make such compromise 

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

This team badly needs an extra batsman.

 

Bowlers will do better if they have some runs to defend.

 

 

In England, it is unlikely that the extra batsman is going to come in and score meaningful runs.

 

We cannot weaken the only aspect that has been working for us consistently in the last 4 years ... our bowling.

[Ankit_sharma03]

11 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

This team badly needs an extra batsman

if only their was some high quality on bench , all it takes is one ball to dismiss a batsman and those guys on bench have their share of massive flaws to have a higher % to be dismissed

its a long series , if anything we dnt need our bowlers breaking down. Lets not compromise that for guys who doesnt give much confidence either

[express bowling]

25 minutes ago, Gollum said:

First 2 tests we underbowled Jaddu

 

T1: he bowled 16 out of total 152 overs

 

T2: he bowled 28 out of total 180 overs

 

This test Ishant was just a passenger. Had he not bowled with the new ball maybe Eng would never have got such a dream start.

 

We are always underutilizing one bowler. Even in WTC F Jaddu and Ashwin were underbowled, latter actually looked more threatening than most quicks on display from both sides. 

 

 

The spinners invariably get undeboweled in SENA. Even if they are bowling decently, captains feel comfortable bowling pacers in pace friendly or seam or swing friendly conditions.

 

And Ishant is unfit and hence was underbowled. Should not have been picked in the first place. I don't know why Kohli is picking a half fit seamer.  (  Ishant hasn't been fully fit in the last 2 years )

Edited August 27, 2021 by express bowling

[shami_123]

OP thought like proper Indian that if batsmen are struggling let's axe bowlers to strengthen batting. Then we wonder why we draw matches at best outside of India.

 

Have we ever given a thought that our bowlers are actual star performers of 5his team and we need to build our team around them ? We just need a serviceable batting unit, right now middle order is in rut. So, is it not a better idea to address this elephant instead of weaking our bowling strength ?

[New guy]

We can if one bowler is ashwin. 

[Lord]

We are already playing 7+4 with Jadeja playing mainly as a batter anyway

 

If anyone was 100% better than Jadeja he'd have been playing at 7.

 

Only question is Ashwin or Thakur.Ishant definitely needs to go

[speedheat]

Bigg No!!!

When a batsman makes a mistake, why punish the bowlers for it?
Keep on with what you're good at, which is bowling. Stick to your strength.Furthermore, with only four bowlers, there's a risk Kohli may overbowl Bumrah, breaking his back!

 

 

It's not difficult, simply swap out duds like Rahane and Pujara with Gill, Sky/ Vihari. Done.

[Adamant]

Play both Aswin and Jadeja along with three pacers. 

Jadeja

Ashwin

Shami

Bumrah

Siraj

[Gollum]

2 minutes ago, shami_123 said:

OP thought like proper Indian that if batsmen are struggling let's axe bowlers to strengthen batting. Then we wonder why we draw matches at best outside of India.

 

Have we ever given a thought that our bowlers are actual star performers of 5his team and we need to build our team around them ? We just need a serviceable batting unit, right now middle order is in rut. So, is it not a better idea to address this elephant instead of weaking our bowling strength ?

Atm we are underutilizing one of our bowlers, every match. 

 

Batting is our problem right now, not bowling. Someone like Ashwin can play the role of strike bowler as well as compensate for lack of 5th bowler, you do know he can bowl long, dry spells to keep quicks fresh if the situation arises?

[Adamant]

Just now, speedheat said:

Bigg No!!!

When a batsman makes a mistake, why punish the bowlers for it?
Keep on with what you're good at, which is bowling. Stick to your strength.Furthermore, with only four bowlers, there's a risk Kohli may overbowl Bumrah, breaking his back!

 

 

It's not difficult, simply swap out duds like Rahane and Pujara with Gill, Sky/ Vihari. Done.

Sky and Vihari are also duds in test cricket. 

[Gollum]

What exactly has Ishant done this match? 22 overs of dross. Just for the sake of playing 5 bowlers why play a mediocre, unfit has-been? 

 

Rather have Ashwin bowl 35-40 overs in an innings and rotate 3 quicks so that each bowls 20-25 overs at high intensity (same workload as now). Not like this Eng will bat for 200 overs, they aren't that good. Will bat for 120 overs at max, if a spinner can bowl a third of that, are 4 other quicks really necessary? 

Edited August 27, 2021 by Gollum

[Adamant]

Just now, Gollum said:

What exactly has Ishant done this match? 22 overs of dross. Just for the sake of playing 5 bowlers why play a mediocre, unfit has-been? 

 

Rather have Ashwin bowl 35-40 overs in an innings and rotate quicks so that each bowls 20-25 overs. Not like this Eng will bat for 200 overs, they aren't that good. Will bat for 120 overs at max, if a spinner can bowl a third of that, are 4 other quicks really necessary? 

Siraj Shami Bumrah Ashwin Jadeja

Ishant will surely be dropped. 

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