It seems that the ECB has failed to provide adequate protection to our cricketers from Covid

[zen]

There is no lockdown in UK. It hosted the Euro final recently too. 

 

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

.Lockdowns have been enforced around the world, it has not been left to an individual's choice or responsibility. If you go down that route then might as well get rid of judiciary, legislature and police and depend on individuals making the right choices.

 

 

Exactly  !!

 

Systems are put in place to negate human indiscretions and errors.

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, zen said:

There is no lockdown in UK. It hosted the Euro final recently too. 

 

 

 

Their own government is reporting 25,000 to 30,000 new cases per day in England alone in the last 1 month.

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

 

This is pretty high for a population of 5.6 crores.

 

So, not having any restrictions does not seem to be the right policy at all.

 

 

 

 

[LordPrabhzy]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Their own government is reporting 25,000 to 30,000 new cases per day in England alone in the last 1 month.

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

 

This is pretty high for a population of 5.6 crores.

 

So, not having any restrictions does not seem to be the right policy at all.

 

 

 

 

It’s not up to you to decide what the right policy is for the Uk. Things are going back to normal and people are getting on with their lives with the accepted risk ( most people are double jabbed) and you can see events going on as normal.

 

if the Indian players feel that the restrictions in a country are too lose then :

1. Don’t tour and forfeit the series

2. agree to tour, then go about doing everything the normal public is doing and then complain they are scared of getting covid which may put their IPL participation at risk

3. if you really want bio bubbles then BCCI should cough up the extra funding to make that happen if their players want something that is not mandated by UK law and hence the ECB is not mandated to provide a bio bubble

[ShoonyaSifar]

35 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Why should individuals bother if authorities dont.Lockdowns have been enforced around the world, it has not been left to an individual's choice or responsibility. If you go down that route then might as well get rid of judiciary, legislature and police and depend on individuals making the right choices.

Yeah man. If the government doesn't tell us to stay safe, why shuld we take steps for our own individual safety. Makes complete sense

[express bowling]

45 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

It’s not up to you to decide what the right policy is for the Uk.

 

I am not deciding their policy.

 

I am expressing my opinion about their policy based on the facts they themselves have provided.

 

 

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Things are going back to normal and people are getting on with their lives with the accepted risk ( most people are double jabbed) and you can see events going on as normal.

 

 

What about the significant percentage of people who are not double jabbed ?  I believe that percentage is significant enough to be cared about.

 

 

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if the Indian players feel that the restrictions in a country are too lose then :

1. Don’t tour and forfeit the series

2. agree to tour, then go about doing everything the normal public is doing and then complain they are scared of getting covid which may put their IPL participation at risk

3. if you really want bio bubbles then BCCI should cough up the extra funding to make that happen if their players want something that is not mandated by UK law and hence the ECB is not mandated to provide a bio bubble

 

 

Since you are against me " deciding " about the policies of your country, are you not doing the same ?

 

We will do what we deem fit.

 

The ECB tried to force potential Covid patients on the field for their monetary gains. (  Since the incubation period for contracting Covid is still not over for the Indian cricketers who have been close contacts of the infected physio )

Edited September 11, 2021 by express bowling

[zen]

14 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

It’s not up to you to decide what the right policy is for the Uk. Things are going back to normal and people are getting on with their lives with the accepted risk ( most people are double jabbed) and you can see events going on as normal.

 

if the Indian players feel that the restrictions in a country are too lose then :

1. Don’t tour and forfeit the series

2. agree to tour, then go about doing everything the normal public is doing and then complain they are scared of getting covid which may put their IPL participation at risk

3. if you really want bio bubbles then BCCI should cough up the extra funding to make that happen if their players want something that is not mandated by UK law and hence the ECB is not mandated to provide a bio bubble

 

Additionally, players appear to act like an entitled bunch. I would not mind if Kohli & Rohit are banned for the rest of the year. I am not sure of their motivation, which may even be to play IPL game on Sep 19 (franchise over country, putting the series at risk). By not playing the test, they can get into UAE early. 

[LordPrabhzy]

29 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I am not deciding their policy.

 

I am expressing my opinion about their policy based on the facts they themselves have provided.

 

 

 

 

What about the significant percentage of people who are not double jabbed ?  I believe that percentage is significant enough to be cared about.

 

 

 

 

Since you are against me " deciding " about the policies of your country, are you not doing the same ?

 

We will do what we deem fit.

 

The ECB should stop trying to force potential Covid patients on the field for their monetary gains. (  Since the incubation period for contracting Covid is still not over for the Indian cricketers who have been close contacts of the infected physio )

I’m not deciding anything- I’m giving options our team have based on your opinion of restrictions and guidelines being to loose here in the UK.

 

if you have read my other posts I have condemned ECB for letting Jarvo  on the ground multiple times. But let’s not absolve any responsibility on Indian players who knowingly went about their business acting as if they are not in a bio bubble ( which they weren’t) and then fear about catching covid. The main apprehension for them is missing IPL, family concerns and mental well-being affected by being in bio bubbles is a smoke screen.

 

that’s my personal opinion feel free to disregard 

 

also a large part of the adult population has been double vaccinated and a lot of single jabs. Only youngsters and kids don’t have the full vaccination yet.

Edited September 11, 2021 by LordPrabhzy

[LordPrabhzy]

6 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

India doesn't need this tour, eng does ,they are the ones making money out of this tour and should cough out the money ,else don't bother to call us next time.

lol why are our fans acting like a petulant children?

 

cricket is still relevant in the world because boards are able to make money and continue finding the game, sometimes our board makes money sometimes other boards make money. With your attitude we’ll be left with a ipl all year round because you want to antagonise everyone by flexing our muscle rather than priories the continuing relevance of the sport.

 

however the Indian team agreed to continue the tour knowing there aren’t any bio bubbles in place? What’s so difficult to understand about this aspect?

[ShoonyaSifar]

16 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

India doesn't need this tour, eng does ,they are the ones making money out of this tour and should cough out the money ,else don't bother to call us next time.

Works both ways.

 

England were the first team that travelled to India and completed the series even when 2nd wave of Covid had started. At nearly 70-75 crs per match, that tour could  have fetched approx. 1000 crs to BCCI. Let's not pretend BCCI doesn't need ECB.

[LordPrabhzy]

Just now, MultiB48 said:

All major sports in the world depend on domestic tournaments,I guess to avoid splitting the moolah,boards like ecb should be thankful that bcci is charitable enough not to go the football route and have Ipl round the year.

 

Ok so with your approval of this kind of antagonism and fighting are you as an Indian fan content with IPL the only thing we have as a cricket game dominating the game?  As an Indian fan that’s absolute bollocks for me.

 

take your iPL and shove it where the sun don’t shine lol a sport with a balanced international and domestic scene is preferable to all but with attitudes like yours no wonder why everyone hates us haha. We have to learn to pick our battles wisely. Thank god you don’t lead the BCCi

[neel roy]

Extra T20 and Completion of Series in July 2022.. more or less confirmed.. back channel negotiatons on.. england will earn 20 mm extra on top of the test due to the t20.. SKY ECB salivating.. 4 t20s 3 odis 1 test in July will be the biggest event in 2022 for ECB.. nobody cares about dwayne pretorious n george linde vs root or bavuma against robinson post that.. actually Kohli got back at bcci for  the whole substitute chetan sharma fraca.. he was seething.. time and opportunity came n he bounced..its been raining all day in Manchester btw..

[express bowling]

32 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

I’m not deciding anything- I’m giving options our team have based on your opinion of restrictions and guidelines being to loose here in the UK.

 

if you have read my other posts I have condemned ECB for letting Jarvo  on the ground multiple times. But let’s not absolve any responsibility on Indian players who knowingly went about their business acting as if they are not in a bio bubble ( which they weren’t) and then fear about catching covid. The main apprehension for them is missing IPL, family concerns and mental well-being affected by being in bio bubbles is a smoke screen.

 

that’s my personal opinion feel free to disregard 

 

 

 

 

I have never absolved Shastri and co. of any blame. I have always maintained that going to a crowded book inauguration show was callous on their part. They should be held accountable for this act.

 

That is one aspect 

 

The other aspect is about the host board providing adequate safety to the guests after assessing the ground realities of its own country.

 

I don't expect the English cricket team to fend for themselves when they tour India. It is NOT the ECB's responsibility to look after them. Nor are they supposed to be experts about the ground realities in India.

 

SIMILARLY,  the ECB should look after the Indian cricket team when they tour England. 

 

Do the BCCI subject the English cricketers to the exact same treatment as an ordinary citizen of India, when they tour ??  Far from it ... and it is because they are guests who are not used to the conditions like the normal residents.

 

Similarly, the Indian cricketers should be looked after with extra care by the ECB because they are guests.

 

If Covid risk is there, secure bubbles should be provided to all touring teams to all countries.

 

 

[rkt.india]

57 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

lol why are our fans acting like a petulant children?

 

cricket is still relevant in the world because boards are able to make money and continue finding the game, sometimes our board makes money sometimes other boards make money. With your attitude we’ll be left with a ipl all year round because you want to antagonise everyone by flexing our muscle rather than priories the continuing relevance of the sport.

 

however the Indian team agreed to continue the tour knowing there aren’t any bio bubbles in place? What’s so difficult to understand about this aspect?

So what's difficult for you to understand that in Covid scenario, games can get cancelled. It's totally acceptable and normal scenario in Covid days.

[LordPrabhzy]

43 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I have never absolved Shastri and co. of any blame. I have always maintained that going to a crowded book inauguration show was callous on their part. They should be held accountable for this act.

 

That is one aspect 

 

The other aspect is about the host board providing adequate safety to the guests after assessing the ground realities of its own country.

 

I don't expect the English cricket team to fend for themselves when they tour India. It is NOT the ECB's responsibility to look after them. Nor are they supposed to be experts about the ground realities in India.

 

SIMILARLY,  the ECB should look after the Indian cricket team when they tour England. 

 

Do the BCCI subject the English cricketers to the exact same treatment as an ordinary citizen of India, when they tour ??  Far from it ... and it is because they are guests who are not used to the conditions like the normal residents.

 

Similarly, the Indian cricketers should be looked after with extra care by the ECB because they are guests.

 

If Covid risk is there, secure bubbles should be provided to all touring teams to all countries.

 

 

If strict bubbles are provided then Indian players will complain of mental impact of them.

 

also the cake cutting fiasco.. true the stewards should have stopped him but why did Shami go and agree to cut the cake? He could have said sorry boss I’ve got to maintain my distance but thanks for gesture. Did ECB force him to get close to the fan? Do players themselves not have some common sense? Do they need a nanny to watch their every move? I repeat the BCCI and players agreed to continue their tour knowing there weren’t any bio bubbles as per UK government guidelines on restrictions. 

 

the England players were kept in a more serious bubble in india because things were very bad at that time. Right now UK is relatively ok so you can’t compare the two situations. How risky it is is a subjective opinion. You can keep harping the same thing again and again, if you don’t live in the uk then you don’t know the ground realities. Facts can’t be changed

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

If strict bubbles are provided then Indian players will complain of mental impact of them.

 

That is just a speculation on your part. 

 

 

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also the cake cutting fiasco.. true the stewards should have stopped him but why did Shami go and agree to cut the cake? He could have said sorry boss I’ve got to maintain my distance but thanks for gesture. Did ECB force him to get close to the fan? Do players themselves not have some common sense? Do they need a nanny to watch their every move?

 

 

As I said, players must share some blame too. Never said otherwise. 

 

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I repeat the BCCI and players agreed to continue their tour knowing there weren’t any bio bubbles as per UK government guidelines on restrictions. 

 

the England players were kept in a more serious bubble in india because things were very bad at that time. Right now UK is relatively ok so you can’t compare the two situations. How risky it is is a subjective opinion. You can keep harping the same thing again and again, if you don’t live in the uk then you don’t know the ground realities. Facts can’t be changed

 

 

I don't claim to know the ground realities there ... which is why I am banking on the data provided by the UK government itself, which is saying that there are around 25,000 to 30,000 new cases per day in England alone.

 

In this backdrop, if normal life is led, then people will get Covid and games will get cancelled.

 

This has to he accepted instead of trying to arm-twist the opposition to take the field with Covid threat looming in their team or asking them to forfeit the match.

 

[Suhaan]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

So what's difficult for you to understand that in Covid scenario, games can get cancelled. It's totally acceptable and normal scenario in Covid days.

But ECB who were themselves at the fault line before are now somehow not understanding it