5th Test between India and England rescheduled to July 2022

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, Stumped said:

 

Why exactly should the English summer have been compressed any further than it already is (along with all the logistical and financial implications) simply because India reached the WTC final?

 

the 1st Test v WI was held in July last year. This year it was a month later to accomodate the hundred.

 

The Eng-NZ series happened before WTC final too

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, neel roy said:

We should have won in edgbaston if we had restricted curran. Also hahane and karthik scored zilch chasing.. it was in our bag that match in 2018. We lost by mere 31 runs. Ashwin played really well

 

it was a batting failure. 194 was easy on that pitch

[coffee_rules]

10 minutes ago, zen said:

Winning (or losing) by playing good cricket on field is fine with me. Not ok with “running away”. 

fighting old -school white-man establishment hegemony is not "running away"!

[zen]

5 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

fighting old -school white-man establishment hegemony is not "running away"!

Keep the excuses for those who want to buy those … Rohit and Kohli actually fought BCCI’s decision to play the test 

 

The test as expected is on …  Let’s hope Rohit and Kohli have the sense to not play any games against whatever hegemony countries you are referring to.  Ind does not need such a culture 

Edited October 22, 2021 by zen

[neel roy]

Nz beat the pulp of England this year similar time. If we play well we can win or at least draw

[R!TTER]

No the selfishness emanating from the fact that Eng hosted NZ in a last minute scheduled test series outside WTC, then hosting SL, Pak & Ind besides the Hundred in what was clearly a money grab (heist?) of sorts! The bubble or no bubble breach during the 4th test was clearly on ECB as well, FFS their CEO was attending the book event! India was well within their rights to withdraw from the last test, of course Eng could've avoided that drama had they accepted India's demands to bring forth the Old Trafford test - but no they had host half the test playing nations playing cricket at the time & now must also get a chance to claw back the series in what really is a one off test!

 

Can you tell me why ECB's business interests should trump other fans' interests in the outcome of this series? Yes I definitely do not consider the test series won, by India, but I also know this could've been avoided had ECB been less greedy - you could argue less greedy than BCCI.

Edited October 22, 2021 by R!TTER

[coffee_rules]

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

No the selfishness emanating from the fact that Eng hosted NZ in a last minute scheduled test series outside WTC, then hosting SL, Pak & Ind besides the Hundred in what was clearly a money grab (heist?) of sorts! The bubble or no bubble breach during the 4th test was clearly on ECB as well, FFS their CEO was attending the book event! India was well within their rights to withdraw from the last test, of course Ng could've avoided that drama had they accepted India's demands to bring forth the Old Trafford test - but no they had host half the test playing nations playing cricket at the time & now must also get a chance to claw back the series in what really is a one off test!

 

Can you tell me why ECB's business interests should trump other fans' interests in the outcome of this series? Yes I definitely do not consider the test series won, by India, but I also know this could've been avoided had ECB been less greedy - you could argue less greedy than BCCI.

 

Don't forget the 10-day break after test2 to schedule their flagship The Hundred circus , they could have finished the series in the allotted time before the 4th test covid fiasco

[R!TTER]

9 minutes ago, Stumped said:

hit of moving the test series earlier at the last minute.

Last minute? Can you tell me what schedule was announced last year? AFAIK the schedule was fixed this year post Covid outbreak, I also don't recall when the the LO series, against SL & Pak, were announced but they were finalized likely around the same time. How would you feel if IPL started in the middle of an Indian test series? Having the Hundred or really any of the other test/LO series push the Ind/Eng series towards late summer is definitely not a good look for Indian fans. That first test may have produced a good result if it wasn't rained off, a week or two earlier would there have been any rain interruptions?

Edited October 22, 2021 by R!TTER

[zen]

1 minute ago, Stumped said:

 

As I've pointed out previously, a rest week during a 5 test series is completely standard.

The 5th test getting abandoned was a case of mainly a couple of players working against BCCI and Indian interests. 
 

After that move, there were only two possible outcomes - a forfeiture or a reschedule, both not ideal from an Indian POV.

 

Because these two players have a large fan base, there are attempt to turn it into they v us (when it is the players v Ind’s interest). Foolish to think that the world is naive to buy those excuses. 

 

[coffee_rules]

22 minutes ago, Stumped said:

 

As I've pointed out previously, a rest week during a 5 test series is completely standard.

usually 5-6 days, this was a clear break to schedule some of their priority work

[coffee_rules]

18 minutes ago, zen said:

The 5th test getting abandoned was a case of mainly a couple of players working against BCCI and Indian interests. 
 

After that move, there were only two possible outcomes - a forfeiture or a reschedule, both not ideal from an Indian POV.

 

Because these two players have a large fan base, there are attempt to turn it into they v us (when it is the players v Ind’s interest). Foolish to think that the world is naive to buy those excuses. 

 

ECB and BCCI are not clean as a whistle. Ideally, even the 4th test should have been put off with the whole coaching staff under quarantine. Players obliged as a favor to BCCI. Next, when the physio was impacted who was in close contact with all the players, BCCI agreed to play the test under ECB pressure without consulting the players. The players put the two boards in place. BCCI had its pressures of IPL, so bent down to the players demands. 

[nevada]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

 

or the Test could have been preponed but wasnt done due to the Hundred. We spent a month there doing nothing.

 

Both parties are at fault.

 

Advantage England specially if Andu is still there

Was the one month gap between the WTC final and the Eng series the result of a postponement to accommodate the Hundred? 

[R!TTER]

Well the point is a single test played next year doesn't constitute as a part (of) this series, call it one off test or play a two test series - it really doesn't matter! For me as well as many others the series is over, we can argue ad nauseum whether it was 2-1 to India or 2-2 but the test series is done & dusted.

Edited October 22, 2021 by R!TTER

[Lord]

Just now, nevada said:

Was the one month gap between the WTC final and the Eng series the result of a postponement to accommodate the Hundred? 

 

no idea but BCCI did put a formal request to prepone the 5th Test before the series

[zen]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

ECB and BCCI are not clean as a whistle. Ideally, even the 4th test should have been put off with the whole coaching staff under quarantine. Players obliged as a favor to BCCI. Next, when the physio was impacted who was in close contact with all the players, BCCI agreed to play the test under ECB pressure without consulting the players. The players put the two boards in place. BCCI had its pressures of IPL, so bent down to the players demands. 

Out of scope. 5th test was on. 
 

Tons of players in India would volunteer to play that test. 
 

This is a case of BCCI and India being held hostage by some players (mainly Rohit and Kohli). 

It is high time that ppl accept that these players worked against Indian interest. 

[coffee_rules]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Out of scope. 5th test was on. 
 

Tons of players in India would volunteer to play that test. 
 

This is a case of BCCI and India being held hostage by some players (mainly Rohit and Kohli). 

It is high time that ppl accept that these players worked against Indian interest. 

 

First up. BCCI is not India. Players are employees or under contract with BCCI. SC of India has accepted this. It is an autonomous body of the ICC corporation, with no administration control from the Govt. CoA was a temporary Judiciary decision based on some allegations of corruption. 

Players represent BCCI and not India, the country.

 

It is the players health and safety that comes first , beyond company interests. If I refuse to go to work under Covid conditions, my company cannot force me. Instead, it makes arragements to WFH. For players on Ground zero, there is no such option. 

[zen]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

 

First up. BCCI is not India. Players are employees or under contract with BCCI. SC of India has accepted this. It is an autonomous body of the ICC corporation, with no administration control from the Govt. CoA was a temporary Judiciary decision based on some allegations of corruption. 

Players represent BCCI and not India, the country.

 

It is the players health and safety that comes first , beyond company interests. If I refuse to go to work under Covid conditions, my company cannot force me. Instead, it makes arragements to WFH. For players on Ground zero, there is no such option. 

Out of scope. 

 

BCCi represents Indian interest in cricket. Patriotic Fans and cricketers would want the game to be on. 

[R!TTER]

7 minutes ago, Stumped said:

when the final schedule was announced in November 2020, there was no postponements.

Couple of things - any dates announced during the height of Covid had massive asterisks on them, definitely subject to a lot of conditions. These dates were not final back then. I'll check if I can find the Hundred & LO series (SL/Pak) dates to see if they were also announced a lot later.

[coffee_rules]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

Out of scope. 

 

BCCi represents Indian interest in cricket. Patriotic Fans and cricketers would want the game to be on. 

Agree to disagree. BCCI is not representing India like the IOC. 

Edited October 22, 2021 by coffee_rules

[zen]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

Agree to disagree. BCCI is not representing India like the IOC. 

If you think so, you should not equate ti following BCCI cricket team as following India.