Coaching Watch: Rahul Dravid.

[Lord]

1 hour ago, sarchasm said:

If they want to play 3 spinners - and it's a valid strat - then go for Kuldeep and both of Axar and Jaddu. Batting depth is not compromised and all three are competent spinners. No need to overthink about playing two SLAs. If teams can regularly play 3 right hand quicks then they can play 2 SLAs.

can even have Sundar/Ash/Bishnoi for variety. All better options than Chunky Chawal.

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Kuldeep and one of Jaddu/Axar are certain. And they do seem to have fetish for Chahal.

yes, stick insect fetish

[Vijy]

24 minutes ago, Lord said:

can even have Sundar/Ash/Bishnoi for variety. All better options than Chunky Chawal.

he's so chunky. Big Man Chahal

[express bowling]

5 hours ago, sarchasm said:

If they want to play 3 spinners - and it's a valid strat - then go for Kuldeep and both of Axar and Jaddu. Batting depth is not compromised and all three are competent spinners. No need to overthink about playing two SLAs. If teams can regularly play 3 right hand quicks then they can play 2 SLAs.

 

6. Hardik

7. Jadeja

8. Axar

9. Kuldeep

10. Bumrah

11. Siraj

 

This will be a competent ODI attack in India. 

 

3 proper quicks and 3 proper spinners with batting till 8

[Nikhil_cric]

Bowling all-rounders starting at 6 is a recipe for disaster IMO. When in doubt, always go for the extra batsman and batting depth and get a few overs from the batsmen. 

 

ODI World Cup winners in general are won by aggressive, fast-scoring batting lineups. You can only bat aggressively if you have enough depth and Hardik/Axar coming any higher than 7, compromises a lineup's ability to score freely and quickly.

 

 

[express bowling]

42 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Bowling all-rounders starting at 6 is a recipe for disaster 

 

 

Hardik is not a bowling allrounder.

 

In fact, if it was left to his bowling, he would have never played a match for India.

 

 

42 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

ODI World Cup winners in general are won by aggressive, fast-scoring batting lineups. You can only bat aggressively if you have enough depth

 

 

That is true.

 

 

42 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

and Hardik/Axar coming any higher than 7, compromises a lineup's ability to score freely and quickly.

 

 

Hardik is slated to bat at 5 and if he comes in at 7, it would compromise the bowling. In fact no one knows whether he has the fitness to bowl more than 6 overs regularly. 

[AKane]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

6. Hardik

7. Jadeja

8. Axar

9. Kuldeep

10. Bumrah

11. Siraj

 

This will be a competent ODI attack in India. 

I would go with 3 full pace bowlers + Pandya. The third has to be taller person like Prasidh someone at least 6' 1" or 6'2". Maybe that guy Ishan Porel. Porel averages 25 in FC and same 24.9 in List A and 17.9 in T20.

 

Thing is even then it is competent but I don't think it is enough. A batsman like Head can in 10 or 15 overs tear this attack apart. Every team has a couple of batsmen like that. Esp Eng/Aus/Pak and maybe NZ.

 

This all presumes that Bumrah is the preinjury Bumrah and that is to be seen.

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Hardik is not a bowling allrounder.

 

In fact, if it was left to his bowling, he would have never played a match for India.

 

 

 

That is true.

 

 

 

Hardik is slated to bat at 5 and if he comes in at 7, it would compromise the bowling. In fact no one knows whether he has the fitness to bowl more than 6 overs regularly. 

Then get rid of the all-rounders and play 5 bowlers and 6 batsmen with someone like Parag coming in at 6 and doubling as the 6th bowling option. None of Hardik/Jadeja/Axar should bat any higher than 7. 

 

This will become the 2019 'mare again with the batting becoming Top 3 reliant and then followed by 3 wicketkeepers and Hardik Pandya.

 

Just work with the bowlers and get the best batting you can out of them. It's not that far-fetched.  No need to manufacture pseudo-allrounders to create the perception of depth.

 

 

[express bowling]

6 hours ago, AKane said:

I would go with 3 full pace bowlers + Pandya. The third has to be taller person like Prasidh someone at least 6' 1" or 6'2". Maybe that guy Ishan Porel. Porel averages 25 in FC and same 24.9 in List A and 17.9 in T20.

 

Thing is even then it is competent but I don't think it is enough. A batsman like Head can in 10 or 15 overs tear this attack apart. Every team has a couple of batsmen like that. Esp Eng/Aus/Pak and maybe NZ.

 

This all presumes that Bumrah is the preinjury Bumrah and that is to be seen.

 

 

 

That bowling attack is based on the fact that Dravid and Co. have asked for very sluggish pitches for this WC. 

 

On normal pitches, my choice is usually multiple tall hit the deck pacers, if available. Kuldeep Sen and Prasidh are the best choices. But Sen is nowhere in the picture despite amazing List A numbers and ability to bowl at 145 k+. .

 

A few practical factors to consider ....

 

1)  This TM are unlikely to consider a new pacer unless he is very slow and preferably short. 

 

2)  3 specialist pacers would definitely mean Shardul in place of Axar for this TM. Won't serve the purpose we are discussing. 

 

3)  No tall, hit the deck pacer has been prepared for this WC. Sen would have been so ideal.

 

4)  You want a tall pacer .... you will get Unadkat. 

[express bowling]

6 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Then get rid of the all-rounders and play 5 bowlers and 6 batsmen with someone like Parag coming in at 6 and doubling as the 6th bowling option. None of Hardik/Jadeja/Axar should bat any higher than 7. 

 

This will become the 2019 'mare again with the batting becoming Top 3 reliant and then followed by 3 wicketkeepers and Hardik Pandya.

 

Just work with the bowlers and get the best batting you can out of them. It's not that far-fetched.  No need to manufacture pseudo-allrounders to create the perception of depth.

 

 

One needs to plan for these things in advance and prepare players for these roles.

 

After using Hardik at 5 and 6  in the entire preparatory phase, one should not change it 2 months before the WC. 

 

They are struggling to find a Number 6 even with Hardik at 5. 

 

Personally, I think Hardik is fine at 6 provided he accepts the role of a finisher in his mind and prepares accordingly.

Edited August 7, 2023 by express bowling

[tapandrun]

23 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

That bowling attack is based on the fact that Dravid and Co. have asked for very sluggish pitches for this WC. 

 

On normal pitches, my choice is usually multiple tall hit the deck pacers, if available. Kuldeep Sen and Prasidh are the best choices. But Sen is nowhere in the picture despite amazing List A numbers and ability to bowl at 145 k+. .

 

A few practical factors to consider ....

 

1)  This TM are unlikely to consider a new pacer unless he is very slow and preferably short. 

 

2)  3 specialist pacers would definitely mean Shardul in place of Axar for this TM. Won't serve the purpose we are discussing. 

 

3)  No tall, hit the deck pacer has been prepared for this WC. Sen would have been so ideal.

 

4)  You want a tall pacer .... you will get Unadkat. 

 

But this batting will not be able to post any score for bowlers to rely on sluggish pitches

[Frustrated]

On this tour, Ind lost the 2nd odi and then the first 2 t20s. (Total: 3 matches lost).  The last time it happened that Ind lost 3 or more matches on a Windies tour was in 2006 under Dravid's captaincy.   

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

But this batting will not be able to post any score for bowlers to rely on sluggish pitches

 

Which batting ?

 

I have just outlined the bowlers.

[express bowling]

46 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

But this batting will not be able to post any score for bowlers to rely on sluggish pitches

 

 

Talking about the batting ... 

 

The 10 over limit means atleast 5 bowlers must be chosen. Which means bowlers from 7 to 11

 

If Jadeja and Axar are 2 of those bowlers ( for sluggish conditions ) it means sufficient batting till 8. And we dont have any proper pacer who can bat.

 

So, the only contentious issue is Hardik at 6 as he is not in form as far as batting is concerned.  But do we have any able replacement  ?  I don't see anyone who has been prepared. 

 

As for the top 5,  Rohit and Kohli will play irrespective of form.  Gill will open. 

 

Choose the best 4 snd 5 available. 

[AKane]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

4)  You want a tall pacer .... you will get Unadkat. 

 

That is an alarming thought!  I withdraw request for a tall pace bowler or even a pace bowler. Unadkat in team is terrifying.

58 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Personally, I think Hardik is fine at 6 provided he accepts the role of a finisher in his mind and prepares accordingly.

I don't think Hardik Pandya has the ability to hit like he did 6 or 7 seasons ago. That player is gone. Best you can expect from him is 30 or 35 at RR of around 120.

[express bowling]

28 minutes ago, AKane said:

 

That is an alarming thought!  I withdraw request for a tall pace bowler or even a pace bowler. Unadkat in team is terrifying.

 

 

 

28 minutes ago, AKane said:

I don't think Hardik Pandya has the ability to hit like he did 6 or 7 seasons ago. That player is gone. Best you can expect from him is 30 or 35 at RR of around 120.

 

You are right.

 

Problem is that he is captain of the T20I team and backup captain of the ODI team. 

 

Plus has a lot of clout as an IPL winning GT captain. 

 

They haven't even tried to prepare an injury cover for the fragile jack of all trades. 

[Vijy]

20 hours ago, AKane said:

 

That is an alarming thought!  I withdraw request for a tall pace bowler or even a pace bowler. Unadkat in team is terrifying.

I don't think Hardik Pandya has the ability to hit like he did 6 or 7 seasons ago. That player is gone. Best you can expect from him is 30 or 35 at RR of around 120.

correct, he can't hit for toffee. he is a consolidator now, and not even a particularly good one at that

[Vijy]

20 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Talking about the batting ... 

 

The 10 over limit means atleast 5 bowlers must be chosen. Which means bowlers from 7 to 11

 

If Jadeja and Axar are 2 of those bowlers ( for sluggish conditions ) it means sufficient batting till 8. And we dont have any proper pacer who can bat.

 

So, the only contentious issue is Hardik at 6 as he is not in form as far as batting is concerned.  But do we have any able replacement  ?  I don't see anyone who has been prepared. 

 

As for the top 5,  Rohit and Kohli will play irrespective of form.  Gill will open. 

 

Choose the best 4 snd 5 available. 

jadeja is not suitable for 7; can't hit for toffee. I think he should move to 6 (or even no. 5), and axar can bat at 7. therefore, at no. 8, we can have a hitter like Lord-ji, or harshit rana or hangu.

[raki05]

On 8/7/2023 at 12:43 AM, express bowling said:

 

6. Hardik

7. Jadeja

8. Axar

9. Kuldeep

10. Bumrah

11. Siraj

 

This will be a competent ODI attack in India. 

 

3 proper quicks and 3 proper spinners with batting till 8

Only change is i wanted them to go with 5 bowlers incuding HaPa with 6 pure batsman may be one of them is Tilak who can bowl few overs and a left hander in mo. I want this because looking at our track record we always have a collapse expected in knock out and i dont want to go with a batsmen short. Follow the same strategy of wc 11.

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, raki05 said:

Only change is i wanted them to go with 5 bowlers incuding HaPa with 6 pure batsman may be one of them is Tilak who can bowl few overs and a left hander in mo. I want this because looking at our track record we always have a collapse expected in knock out and i dont want to go with a batsmen short. Follow the same strategy of wc 11.

 

Only issue would be whether Hardik has the fitness or quality to bowl 7+ overs regularly.