Thank You P.M. Modi for withdrawing farm laws

[Try_Ball]

4 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

 

 

Bhagat Ram truly describe situation of Modi bhakts today.

 

 

 

I guess all of these supposed "farmers" would be kissing Modi's feet for abolishing the laws now.  Like he needed more followers.  Now even for farmer's - he's a messiah supposedly.

[Khota]

7 minutes ago, Try_Ball said:

 India does have poverty , So does Sierra Leone and South America , I do not have to live there to know that.

If the Indian farmers are poor for the past 50-60 odd years since the current system is in place and in 50-60 years they couldn't change their present status then that's the proof that the existing system isn't working . 

I do not need to know the details of a system to realize that if an existing system of 50-60 yrs hasn't given a good outcome then it needs to changed. 

Ofcourse it needs to be changed. These laws were going to make it worse. Your assumption that with implementation of these laws the farmers will become rich is only an assumption.

[Try_Ball]

Just now, Khota said:

Ofcourse it needs to be changed. These laws were going to make it worse. Your assumption that with implementation of these laws the farmers will become rich is only an assumption.

 

There are a lot of assumptions all around here ....

And that is the point of contention -  The real farmers are certainly not educated enough or can do financial modelling to see how it would play out. So even if one assumes that in the short term that could have been the case.   

Economists have chimed in that in the long run they would have been beneficial. 

 

So, everyone agrees a change was needed because the old system wasn't working.  

Economic decisions should be based on projections , KPIs and financial modelling not consensus building and popularity votes. 

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Try_Ball said:

 

There are a lot of assumptions all around here ....

And that is the point of contention -  The real farmers are certainly not educated enough or can do financial modelling to see how it would play out. So even if one assumes that in the short term that could have been the case.   

Economists have chimed in that in the long run they would have been beneficial. 

 

So, everyone agrees a change was needed because the old system wasn't working.  

Economic decisions should be based on projections , KPIs and financial modelling not consensus building and popularity votes. 

Which illiterate economist said that? These laws were implemented in EU and USA and the result was destruction of family farm. I understand reforms are needed but that can happen by industrializing the country. Then the farmers will move away when they have better jobs

 To do that they need capital which can be done by selling every PSU out there. No more darkrai pensions and nonsense.

[Yoda-esque]

Let's see if these 'Kissans' withdraw from Delhi or continue protesting against something else... It will most probably be the second.

It's the second..everyone knows this wasn't about farmers lol


Shaheenbagh to come up next..watch it

[Try_Ball]

33 minutes ago, Khota said:

Which illiterate economist said that? These laws were implemented in EU and USA and the result was destruction of family farm. I understand reforms are needed but that can happen by industrializing the country. Then the farmers will move away when they have better jobs

 To do that they need capital which can be done by selling every PSU out there. No more darkrai pensions and nonsense.

 

The only common ground I see that reforms and changes are needed.  After that, I think we have completely different view points which is fair

[Yoda-esque]

PM announces repeal of 3 farm laws, but protests yet to be over..from Rediff


Lowl..like I said ..was never about farmers but the old establishment fighting to stay relevant

Will the resident idiots please comment

[Khota]

56 minutes ago, Try_Ball said:

 

The only common ground I see that reforms and changes are needed.  After that, I think we have completely different view points which is fair

Yes we do.

[kepler37b]

10 hours ago, Try_Ball said:

 Yes Canada did ask for help from India for vaccines and our manufacturing system doesn't represent our healthcare system. 

From what I've seen from you is that you argue on everything with everyone and I don't get paid to correct you. 

Just a food for thought,   how much would be an inpatient stay in a quality hospital in India and how much on average would you pay for that? And compare that to how much a Canadian pay? 

As you know everything about everywhere, you'd know the answer to that. 

India has lot of things to be proud of. But NOT healthcare.

 

Most Indian  doctors, everywhere, are incredibly corrupt, incompetent and greedy. it is the reflection of a society that they grew up in.  They write useless diagnostic tests, recommend costly surgeries and are readily offended when you object to the diagnosis. 

 

Let me give you an example

 

Owner of hetero drugs amassed hundreds of crores of blackmoney by distributing his OWN remdesvir drugs in illegal channels.  And this is during the covid second wave, the most humanitatian disaster faced by bharath.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kepler37b]

 

Edited November 20, 2021 by kepler37b

[someone]

9 hours ago, Khota said:

The protest were about fake capitalism and oligarchy where wealth was being transferred to two families.

 

Yet, you never had any clause by clause argument.

 

You just want the status quo to prevail, the poor farmers will get exploited by the system, and the richer will get richer.

 

You and your side are hopeless, as you never had any solutions. Yoour side just want to preserve their own wealth and greed.

[someone]

8 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

 

thats what you believe,every sane politician always thinks through the Vote lens.Modi thought he was so popular that the farmers will agree to it all over the country but obviously thats not the case.

 

When BJP has the farm laws in its manifesto, wins elections, they can rightfully implemented them backed by people's mandate. Actually, these farm laws, were also in manifesto local Congress, regional parties, farmers groups, committees, study groups .

 

Modi has withdrawn 3 controversial farm laws. Actually, it's Modi has withdrawn 3 well-sought farm laws due to violence protests.

 

The violence, and pressure groups have tasted victory, and they will go for more blood. It's a bad day for democracy. Never forget and forgive the violence of the people...

[Lone Wolf]

There will be no Shaheen bagh 2.0 as there will be no NRC.  That was also a Jumla by jumla master & his pithoos.  He took common hindus for a ride & salute to him.   Entire leadership has stopped even talking about it for more than a year. 

Phattu will be phattus 

[Mesky99]

18 hours ago, Khota said:

Need to set up industry in Punjab like they have in karnataka. That will get them away from farming.

I don't see it happening, 16% jatt Sikhs of Punjab control 90% of agricultural land, they have huge political representation in the state, Sikh religious organisations under them, including sgpc, new industries would mean they could lose power both economically and politically, they hate private players and corporates, What ever little industries and small manufacturing units they had have moved to nearby Haryana and Himachal due to law/order ,ease of business and cheaper land, Punjab is not what we see in films and music, it is the most feudal like region in India where religion/sikhi is used as a political tool to control masses. Bihar and bengal which grows more wheat and paddy does not get msp for their, both Bihar and bengal are fertile and have huge rainfall hence growing paddy and wheat would be apt for such a environment, Punjab uses ground water and toxic chemicals, environmentally Punjab is destroying its natural soil for economic gain. Green Revolution enabled punjabs farmers such a extent that they have control hegemony over the agriculture sector in North. Religion is used as a black mailing tool.

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Right, where is that 750 dead in protests coming from, any fact checkers from the unbiased press? Bas Tikait ne kehdala, sab maan gaye!

We didn't have 750 martyrs even in Kargil war.

[rkt.india]

17 hours ago, Khota said:

According to Union Govt. This Monday the data provided showed stubble burning is no more than 10%. That is the maximum. Let us hate the farmers.

It's the time that matters. Stubble is burnt mostly in November and it creates severe pollution. Delhi doesn't have same pollution level all year round. Winters magnify it during this time because of stubble burning which doesn't happen all year round.

[LordPrabhzy]

In all honesty what this episode is going to lead to- a lot of not punjabis who had an indifference of Sikhs will not feel polarised. Especially farmers in the rest of India who were supporting these reforms - they will see this is Sikhs using the Khalistan movement to arm twist the government and deny them the reforms they needed. So now there will be a massive fuel in anti Sikh sentiment and the khalistanis will lap it up.
 

anti Modi people will just say india was peaceful before he came into power and it’s ALL the fault of BJP that the khalistani movement has resurfaced. Modi’s cryptic message in his announcement that he is repealing the laws is for the nation- clearly there was a credible terror threat by khalistanis esp after the NIAs visit to Canada. However appeasement doesn’t work- we know that Khalistanis hate India and Hindus with a passion. Rolling back these economic reforms is not going to make them love us. They will use this as opportunity to make up for the last 20 years of inaction with accelerated hate mongering and propaganda now they know the Indian PM is weak!

[kepler37b]

1 hour ago, Mesky99 said:

I don't see it happening, 16% jatt Sikhs of Punjab control 90% of agricultural land, they have huge political representation in the state, Sikh religious organisations under them, including sgpc, new industries would mean they could lose power both economically and politically, they hate private players and corporates, What ever little industries and small manufacturing units they had have moved to nearby Haryana and Himachal due to law/order ,ease of business and cheaper land, Punjab is not what we see in films and music, it is the most feudal like region in India where religion/sikhi is used as a political tool to control masses. Bihar and bengal which grows more wheat and paddy does not get msp for their, both Bihar and bengal are fertile and have huge rainfall hence growing paddy and wheat would be apt for such a environment, Punjab uses ground water and toxic chemicals, environmentally Punjab is destroying its natural soil for economic gain. Green Revolution enabled punjabs farmers such a extent that they have control hegemony over the agriculture sector in North. Religion is used as a black mailing tool.

In my opinion, the enterprising sikhs have moved abroad. The ones remaining in punjab must be the ones who prefer status quo and feudalism.

 

Yes religion is being used as backmailing tool. 

[Mesky99]

19 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

In my opinion, the enterprising sikhs have moved abroad. The ones remaining in punjab must be the ones who prefer status quo and feudalism.

 

Yes religion is being used as backmailing tool. 

No no hardly any enterprising Sikhs abroad, they are the same illegal migrants, over staying visas folks, fake marriages to get citizenship, uneducated, money laundering, drug abuse, only the African Sikhs who were expelled from east Africa have made a honest living, Brampton, California, southall etc are just ghettos in the western world, the obsession to move oversees by hook or crook without any academic background and skills is very high in Punjab circles, all fake show and fukrepanti.

[Mesky99]

25 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

In all honesty what this episode is going to lead to- a lot of not punjabis who had an indifference of Sikhs will not feel polarised. Especially farmers in the rest of India who were supporting these reforms - they will see this is Sikhs using the Khalistan movement to arm twist the government and deny them the reforms they needed. So now there will be a massive fuel in anti Sikh sentiment and the khalistanis will lap it up.
 

anti Modi people will just say india was peaceful before he came into power and it’s ALL the fault of BJP that the khalistani movement has resurfaced. Modi’s cryptic message in his announcement that he is repealing the laws is for the nation- clearly there was a credible terror threat by khalistanis esp after the NIAs visit to Canada. However appeasement doesn’t work- we know that Khalistanis hate India and Hindus with a passion. Rolling back these economic reforms is not going to make them love us. They will use this as opportunity to make up for the last 20 years of inaction with accelerated hate mongering and propaganda now they know the Indian PM is weak!

Not just khalistanis but there is huge Hindu hatred in a average Sikh psyche, I have seen and experienced it before hand. Hindus should wake up, they are neither allies nor friends.