Virat Kohli all ready for the Odi series.

[Sean Bradley]

6 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Things are definitely not fine between the two biggest names pf Indian cricket but that doesn't mean you accuse them of deliberately making themselves unavailable just to avoid playing under each other's captaincy. That's it, that's what I saying. 

 

Instead of making claims out of thin air can't you just accept what is clearly visible. 

 What's the need to add masala in everything. 

Non one is accusing them, Rohit here has been criticised for making himself unavailable before every SENA tour, Kohli  making himself unavailable was reported by big media houses (before he took a U turn). Do 1+1 and the entire situation looks fishy.

 

No one here cares if they are friends, foes, if they hug, kiss or want to kill eachother in their personal lives. Genuine cricket fans are worried that these two are taking the team down with them due to their ego clashes. They have been criticised for putting self interest and ego before the interest of the team and country. 

 

This is a Cricketing forum, so we discuss these things here. This is a not an official media house that what gets discussed here becomes Breaking news. So please calm your tits. 

[Forever Indian]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Kohli needed to understand once he quit T20 captaincy , he was going to lose odi captaincy also.If he did not expect that then he is an idiot.

 

Kohli will be just fine playing under Rohit.

If he had expected that then he would have gracefully given up ODI captaincy as well. He thought that giving up T20 captaincy will be a hogwash for people calling for his axe especially because of his returns with RCB.

[putrevus]

25 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

If he had expected that then he would have gracefully given up ODI captaincy as well. He thought that giving up T20 captaincy will be a hogwash for people calling for his axe especially because of his returns with RCB.

There is nothing wrong with Kohli's Indian captaincy in any format.What has he done  to give up captaincy .Nothing wrong with him hope to keep his odi captaincy either, as he is very good captain .But it is fair on BCCI's part also not wanting two different captains in white ball cricket.

 

He is captain not god who can create players.  

[Forever Indian]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

There is nothing wrong with Kohli's Indian captaincy in any format.What has he done  to give up captaincy .Nothing wrong with him hope to keep his odi captaincy either, as he is very good captain .But it is fair on BCCI's part also not wanting two different captains in white ball cricket.

 

He is captain not god who can create players.  

I posted regarding your statement that he would be an "idiot" if he did not expect his ODI captaincy to go away if he gave up T20 captaincy. He sure is an "idiot" as he clearly did not expect that and that's why did the hogwash of giving up just T20 captaincy.

 

LOIs is all about ICC and World Trophies, where he has not even won a plastic cup. Even an Asia cup which we won was under Rohit's captaincy.

[putrevus]

54 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

I posted regarding your statement that he would be an "idiot" if he did not expect his ODI captaincy to go away if he gave up T20 captaincy. He sure is an "idiot" as he clearly did not expect that and that's why did the hogwash of giving up just T20 captaincy.

 

LOIs is all about ICC and World Trophies, where he has not even won a plastic cup. Even an Asia cup which we won was under Rohit's captaincy.

I  agree if he was giving T20 captaincy for whatever reason, he should have been prepared to give up his odi captaincy too.

 

People regrading him being a bad captain in shorter format is just no true. Dhoni never led India to T20 after 2007 nor he could lead India past group stage in many T20 world cups.Did he become a bad captain. Kohli was resting in those Asia cups.

[SRT100]

8 hours ago, Dery said:

Kohli the batsman is over anyways 

He has been over for the last few years.

 

Just collecting money from BCCI towards retirement.

[mishra]

5 hours ago, putrevus said:

I  agree if he was giving T20 captaincy for whatever reason, he should have been prepared to give up his odi captaincy too.

 

People regrading him being a bad captain in shorter format is just no true. Dhoni never led India to T20 after 2007 nor he could lead India past group stage in many T20 world cups.Did he become a bad captain. Kohli was resting in those Asia cups.

Dhoni as skip won everything that was worth winning. Number 1 test side, ACC trophy , ICC trophies in all formats, IPL and so on. Kohli as skip hasn’t won anything apart from honours of loosing most ICC matches to Pakistan 

[mishra]

Reason why he hasn’t won anything is beacuse he has been concentrating on Bilateral between thim and Gambo, him and Rohit, him and Kumble, him and Ash, him and all newby bats. Heck he played bilateral with little RCB  kid Sarfaraz.Most fans like me were unhappy on these bilaterals of his from day 1 as to wtf was he doing. But his bilateral with Dada finally turned out WRONGUN.

[raki05]

7 hours ago, mishra said:

Reason why he hasn’t won anything is beacuse he has been concentrating on Bilateral between thim and Gambo, him and Rohit, him and Kumble, him and Ash, him and all newby bats. Heck he played bilateral with little RCB  kid Sarfaraz.Most fans like me were unhappy on these bilaterals of his from day 1 as to wtf was he doing. But his bilateral with Dada finally turned out WRONGUN.

That's so true he always try to project himself as alfa man. Thrown out Sarfraz khan after his great performance for rcb and really demotivated him, same with prithvi saw , he has thrown him out for fitness concern,mock senior players like ashwin,gambhir and threaten younger ones like Sky,Rana during ipl. This guy was biggest shame as a captain in Odi lost all tournament as a captain, even this chutiya lost an Asia cup final against aafretard pakistani.

[raki05]

Even if bcci do a press conference and say we are throwing this idiot out due to his inability to win toss in curicial tournament that would enough plausible reason.

[prudent_kreeda]

With his very poor captaincy  for almost 6 years now , there was no point in continuing with Kohli as captain. It was as simple as that . No country will carry on such poor captain for so long. THIS IS THE FACT .

BCCI should have simply stated that they are moving on and want to try a new captain . That's all  . That is the job of selectors and BCCI  to elect teams and captains and no player should cross his limits.  

Ganguly made a mistake of publicly commenting on this issue and wanted to give little bit of face saving for him which this man is trying to cling on and blame all & sundry now. 

I think Board and Ganguly would have made a note of how being nice to someone has been twisted and would be not surprised if Board will deal with  VK in a very appropriate way going forward .

What he was trying to prove by his PC ?-

1. Does he believe that Selectors do not have the right to select any one else as captain ? If he knew as he said he will be removed from captainship , what is the fuss now ?  

2. Once the test team was selected , there was nothing to be discussed . Hence selectors told him that for one-dayers they will select a new captain. So nothing more to discuss with VK further . It does not make any difference to selectors or board if it was told 2 days ago or 90 minutes before the meeting as he has nothing to do with One day team going forward . If it really mattered to VK ( as he has made a  specific mention in PC of 1.5 hrs) , he should spell out what selectors should have done and why ? Let him state that in another PC . Did he want band baaja while announcing it to him ?  Why now do all the crying and at the end of PC say it is fine with him . 

3. If he wants all these things to be as per protocol , why he did announce his stepping down from T20 captaincy via twitter ?  Did he have a meeting with selectors where he discussed it? 

Instead of focusing on what he is good at and follow footsteps of Sachin , he is acting so stupid . What is this greed for captaincy even after 7 + years that too all 3 formats and with nothing to show in cupboard ? 

Do we even remember any captain of any country in the past who captained all 3 formats so long and still unwilling to step down and when removed throwing tantrums of this proportion. 

Won't end well for sure .

 

[prudent_kreeda]

Won;t  end well for sure . If one stings other can sting with double venom ..

Further actions could be - 

1. No more niceties from Board. He should be ready for one liner statement from Board at any  time. 

2. A loss in SA series can trigger change in Test captaincy. India has very good choice in ASH for the interim.

3. Based on behavior and  performance chances in 50 overs may be given but not always . 

4.  If boorishness continues a committee may be formed to look into merits of all recent happenings .

5. Opinion of all current players will also be gathered .

6. Influencer Ads on TV during matches ??  Hit at the source .

[mishra]

54 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

Won;t  end well for sure . If one stings other can sting with double venom ..

Further actions could be - 

1. No more niceties from Board. He should be ready for one liner statement from Board at any  time. 

2. A loss in SA series can trigger change in Test captaincy. India has very good choice in ASH for the interim.

3. Based on behavior and  performance chances in 50 overs may be given but not always . 

4.  If boorishness continues a committee may be formed to look into merits of all recent happenings .

5. Opinion of all current players will also be gathered .

6. Influencer Ads on TV during matches ??  Hit at the source .

Rohit will walk into dressing room and ask the bats to nominate themselves to give opportunity to youngsters. And then he will stare at Kohli. If he says yes good, if he doesn’t offer, Rohit will propse his name. If he fights, he will be told who is skipper there 

 

Thats how its hoing to start on South Africa tour

[putrevus]

On 12/15/2021 at 5:38 PM, mishra said:

Dhoni as skip won everything that was worth winning. Number 1 test side, ACC trophy , ICC trophies in all formats, IPL and so on. Kohli as skip hasn’t won anything apart from honours of loosing most ICC matches to Pakistan 

Dhoni also lost all  those tournaments as skipper too. Don't bring IPL into it ,.Dhoni lost more world tournaments than Kohli as a captain.Dhoni's team had advantage of playing at home and still lost to inferior teams.His teams did not get to knock stages in many champion trophies or World T20s.

 

Dhoni was the capain during 0-13 also.Indian teams under Dhoni did not even compete forget about winning those series.

 

Losing to Pakistan in ICC is not a big deal, stop making it as big deal.They were bound to lose some after winning so many.

Edited December 17, 2021 by putrevus

[mishra]

51 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Dhoni also lost all  those tournaments as skipper too. Don't bring IPL into it ,.Dhoni lost more world tournaments than Kohli as a captain.Dhoni's team had advantage of playing at home and still lost to inferior teams.His teams did not get to knock stages in many champion trophies or World T20s.

 

Dhoni was the capain during 0-13 also.Indian teams under Dhoni did not even compete forget about winning those series.

 

Losing to Pakistan in ICC is not a big deal, stop making it as big deal.They were bound to lose some after winning so many.

Everyone loses is that your arguement?  Problem is people look at wins.

 

Issue is kohli consistently looses as he plays individual political game between him and newbie which i think is down to Cricket mone(main motive is allways money in my opinion).

 

 If Dhoni would have used Kohlis metrics, we wouldn’t have seen Kohli anywhere around team India after his miserably 2010 Asia Cup performance. 

[putrevus]

22 minutes ago, mishra said:

Everyone loses is that your arguement?  Problem is people look at wins.

 

Issue is kohli consistently looses as he plays individual political game between him and newbie which i think is down to Cricket mone(main motive is allways money in my opinion).

 

 If Dhoni would have used Kohlis metrics, we wouldn’t have seen Kohli anywhere around team India after his miserably 2010 Asia Cup performance. 

Some captain get lucky wins like Dhoni who was two strokes away from losing two major cups.

What metrics are you talking about ?

 

No Kohli does not lose consitently , where did you get that information.He has better winning percentage than Dhoni in all formats individually and combined. To win world tournaments you need some luck too. This nonsense that Kohli is bad captain is ridiculous.

[mishra]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

Some captain get lucky wins like Dhoni who was two strokes away from losing two major cups.

What metrics are you talking about ?

 

No Kohli does not lose consitently , where did you get that information.He has better winning percentage than Dhoni in all formats individually and combined. To win world tournaments you need some luck too. This nonsense that Kohli is bad captain is ridiculous.

Consistenty was meant as in consistently loose trophies. As i said, just trophies would have not got people against him if that was only issue. My real gripe to Kohli has been doing malicious politics to stay as Indias only batsman so that Corporate Sponsorship and ad money keeps flowing to him. Malicious intent can not be proved on paper but its results are visible. We haven’t got a single bat post Kohli , only now few have started to rise in ranks. Not everyone can say this but i think seeds /rootcause of his bilaterals with newbie , current and ATG players is there.

They can also see that he wants to remain only shining Sun in Sky when we know that in night sky their are many Stars latger then the Sun.

 

Unchecked, He has now fractured the team that its in a hole same as Pakistani team was lwhen they were caught pants down fixing and media was having field day. 
 

Guy is toxic.

[putrevus]

16 minutes ago, mishra said:

Consistenty was meant as in consistently loose trophies. As i said, just trophies would have not got people against him if that was only issue. My real gripe to Kohli has been doing malicious politics to stay as Indias only batsman so that Corporate Sponsorship and ad money keeps flowing to him. Malicious intent can not be proved on paper but its results are visible. We haven’t got a single bat post Kohli , only now few have started to rise in ranks. Not everyone can say this but i think seeds /rootcause of his bilaterals with newbie , current and ATG players is there.

They can also see that he wants to remain only shining Sun in Sky when we know that in night sky their are many Stars latger then the Sun.

 

Unchecked, He has now fractured the team that its in a hole same as Pakistani team was lwhen they were caught pants down fixing and media was having field day. 
 

Guy is toxic.

Dhoni consistently lost in world t20 after 2007 till 2017 even with strong teams that flopping over a decade. You can point out his captaincy alone lost India the tournaments.

 

 What malicious content are you talking about. How is it Kohli's fault if you don't have single bat. He is captain not miracle worker. which great batsmen has been left behind or ruined by kohli.

 

Kohli teams play each game to win either test or odis.I don't think that was the case with Dhoni's team. Dhoni simple did not care about test once he did not have spinners to control.

 

Kohli made this team compete each and every match home and away. 

 

Again it is pure nonsense that he is bad captain.

Edited December 17, 2021 by putrevus

[R!TTER]

On 12/16/2021 at 6:26 AM, prudent_kreeda said:

 Does he believe that Selectors do not have the right to select any one else as captain ? If he knew as he said he will be removed from captainship , what is the fuss now ?  

He probably wanted a bouquet, chocolate box & Bharat Ratna for "giving up" on captaincy - ala Aila 

[Dery]

Let's see how many runs he scores in SA