Is Smith also phinished?

[R!TTER]

Looks like he's also past his peak (Eng 2019) & can easily go into a terminal decline like BRat 

Edited January 8, 2022 by R!TTER

[R!TTER]

Wrong section, can you move it @Trichromatic

[Jay]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

Looks like he's also past his peak (Eng 2019) & can easily go into a terminal decline like BRat 

Not as bad as rat. Maybe he will average 40 45 over the next 4 years and retire. He is genuinely 32 unlike kohli who is probably 35 now.

[R!TTER]

8 minutes ago, Jay said:

Not as bad as rat.

Well tbf he also plays on the roads of Oz & a lot against chumps from Eng, so his numbers will generally be better. Give Brat 2016/17 pitches against Eng or Bangers & he may avg above 50 as well.

[Jay]

15 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Well tbf he also plays on the roads of Oz & a lot against chumps from Eng, so his numbers will generally be better. Give Brat 2016/17 pitches against Eng or Bangers & he may avg above 50 as well.

Lol maybe but Smith is better vs spin.

 

Man usman is on fire. Underrated player tbj.

Edited January 8, 2022 by Jay

[R!TTER]

Statistically Pak maybe the worst (major) team to ever tour any other country, namely Oz, but Eng are arguably worse given they play 5 tests each time & get hammered every *in time 

[Chakdephatte]

@R!TTER, at least make the voting results public.

[Jay]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

Statistically Pak maybe the worst (major) team to ever tour any other country, namely Oz, but Eng are arguably worse given they play 5 tests each time & get hammered every *in time 

We do well in australia and because of the weather conditions and the flatter pitches. There is more springy bouncy in Australia but it's still a flat bouncy wicket. There is more for pace bowler who have decent bouncy. 

 

In India it's low bouncy and flat and bowlers with good yorkers and dull length balls at once do well. 

 

We also do well in s.africa generally because pitches have pace and bounce. However in s.africa conditions can be conducive to swing bowling so there is always the chance of a collapse. 

 

We have started to perform well in England despite swing conditions only because we finally learnt the importance of an extra pacer who can bat. 

 

England suck In australia due to 3 reasons.

1) weather conditions are extremely hot in Australia. Almost india esque 

2) English cant face bounce. If England faces india in australia, we would demolish them 4 0 or 4 1 provided everyone is fit. 

3) their bowlers are rendered ineffective due to lack of pace and/or lack of effective ability to bowl accurate bouncers and fuller lengths. Wood is fast but he fails at bowling accurate bouncers or yorkers.

[Lone Wolf]

31 minutes ago, Jay said:

We do well in australia and because of the weather conditions and the flatter pitches. There is more springy bouncy in Australia but it's still a flat bouncy wicket. There is more for pace bowler who have decent bouncy. 

 

In India it's low bouncy and flat and bowlers with good yorkers and dull length balls at once do well. 

 

We also do well in s.africa generally because pitches have pace and bounce. However in s.africa conditions can be conducive to swing bowling so there is always the chance of a collapse. 

 

We have started to perform well in England despite swing conditions only because we finally learnt the importance of an extra pacer who can bat. 

 

England suck In australia due to 3 reasons.

1) weather conditions are extremely hot in Australia. Almost india esque 

2) English cant face bounce. If England faces india in australia, we would demolish them 4 0 or 4 1 provided everyone is fit. 

3) their bowlers are rendered ineffective due to lack of pace and/or lack of effective ability to bowl accurate bouncers and fuller lengths. Wood is fast but he fails at bowling accurate bouncers or yorkers.

England players can face bounce...  Their problem is also lot mental. They thump Saffers in SA frequently.   They resign to their fate as soon as they land in Australia.  Only Poyzz have genuine problem in dealing with bounce.  But I'd like to see Poyzz getting a test at Hobart which is lot less Aussie ground compared to other venues & more English /Kiwi in nature.  They came close in that Langer Gilly test back in 99.

[Jay]

40 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

England players can face bounce...  Their problem is also lot mental. They thump Saffers in SA frequently.   They resign to their fate as soon as they land in Australia.  Only Poyzz have genuine problem in dealing with bounce.  But I'd like to see Poyzz getting a test at Hobart which is lot less Aussie ground compared to other venues & more English /Kiwi in nature.  They came close in that Langer Gilly test back in 99.

English also give up in India. They are mentally beaten. They can definitely outscore trimurti. We carried passengers. Now india will regroup and build a stronger core. If we don't win this saffer series, then heads will roll. Pujara and pursne will be out. Maybe even Kohl. India will get stronger now. 

 

Yea they are ruthless vs saffers. Even during smith's time , smith's team had serious problems vs england. English beat them in 05. 

 

Pretty sure they drew once or twice after as well. 

 

The only time pommies got thrashed was in 2012. Rofl that was an ass whooping. 

Edited January 8, 2022 by Jay

[Lone Wolf]

5 minutes ago, Jay said:

English also give up in India. They are mentally beaten. They can definitely outscore trimurti. We carried passengers. Now india will regroup and build a stronger core. If we don't win this saffer series, then heads will roll. Pujara and pursne will be out. Maybe even Kohl. India will get stronger now. 

 

Yea they are ruthless vs saffers. Even during smith's time , smith's team had serious problems vs england. English beat them in 06. 

 

Pretty sure they drew once or twice after as well. 

English give a lot of fight in India.  Apart from 2016 tour they have competed in most series.  Recent series as well..  Won in 2012..  India had to bat out of their skins & it took a SRT masterclass to win in Chennai in 2008 after conceding a 1st inns lead.  They drew in Mohali. 

[Jay]

26 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

English give a lot of fight in India.  Apart from 2016 tour they have competed in most series.  Recent series as well..  Won in 2012..  India had to bat out of their skins & it took a SRT masterclass to win in Chennai in 2008 after conceding a 1st inns lead.  They drew in Mohali. 

Yea true. We beat them away but that series could have easily been 1 - 1 on 07. 

 

We smashed them in 2016 and then a thrashing in 2020 except first game when we played Ghada and useless nadeem. 

 

Yes they competed pretty well no doubt but cmon let's be honest, we are playing with 3 liabilities since 2019 now. 

[helperononline]

First Nz, then India and now England are bowling to him on leg side he is strong off side player and he is not able to adapt to this tactic 

Opposite with virat anything bowled off side  he gets out fishing  

[Jay]

34 minutes ago, helperononline said:

First Nz, then India and now England are bowling to him on leg side he is strong off side player and he is not able to adapt to this tactic 

Opposite with virat anything bowled off side  he gets out fishing  

Virats technique is the most fixable in truth but virat is mentally weak.

[Trichromatic]

Runs	Mins	BF	4s	6s	SR	Pos	Dismissal	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
67	192	141	5	0	47.51	4	caught	1		v England	Sydney	5 Jan 2022	Test # 2446
23	53	31	2	1	74.19	4	bowled	3		v England	Sydney	5 Jan 2022	Test # 2446
16	52	31	1	0	51.61	5	bowled	2		v England	Melbourne	26 Dec 2021	Test # 2442
93	327	201	12	1	46.26	4	lbw	1		v England	Adelaide	16 Dec 2021	Test # 2441
6	43	31	1	0	19.35	5	caught	3		v England	Adelaide	16 Dec 2021	Test # 2441
12	30	19	2	0	63.15	4	caught	2		v England	Brisbane	8 Dec 2021	Test # 2440
DNB	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	4		v England	Brisbane	8 Dec 2021	Test # 2440
36	112	77	5	0	46.75	4	caught	1		v India	Brisbane	15 Jan 2021	Test # 2404
55	121	74	7	0	74.32	4	caught	3		v India	Brisbane	15 Jan 2021	Test # 2404
131	298	226	16	0	57.96	4	run out	1		v India	Sydney	7 Jan 2021	Test # 2402
81	260	167	8	1	48.50	4	lbw	3		v India	Sydney	7 Jan 2021	Test # 2402

 

 

His test scores in last 12 months.

6 matches, 520 runs at avg of 52.

[nevada]

I just hope he doesn't retire with a 60 plus average!

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, nevada said:

I just hope he doesn't retire with a 60 plus average!

seems unlikely. but it will probably be around 57-58, i.e., same range as Sanga.

[putrevus]

Sachin was done being major player from 2001 till his last hurrah in 2010. Smith who is probably best test batsman since Bradman is finished after one below average year by his lofty standards.


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[Dery]

Unlike brat he works hard on his batting 

[Jay]

9 hours ago, Vijy said:

seems unlikely. but it will probably be around 57-58, i.e., same range as Sanga.

What a player sang is? 57 shieeet. He defecates on fab 4 judging by this? Only played 6 games vs Aussies. 6 vs saffer