jf1gp_1 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 20 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Mix of elitism, bruised ego, domestic politics and just in general being a moron. I keep telling my Pakistani friends. You have no idea what you are dealing with. Modi will not respond. He knows his position on the board and he knows that Pakistan and Imran are becoming immaterial. He wouldn’t waste his political capital. He might indirectly use all Imran has said during '24 general election campaign but yes I agree he will never use the word pakistan on any international platform. Both of us ie India and Pakistan need to learn to be indifferent to each other thats the only way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said: He might indirectly use all Imran has said during '24 general election campaign but yes I agree he will never use the word pakistan on any international platform. Both of us ie India and Pakistan need to learn to be indifferent to each other thats the only way forward. I think one side has already decided to end border dispute and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 48 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: I think one side has already decided to end border dispute and move on. How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Autonomous said: How? With article 370 and article 35 A, withdrawn, the dispute is effectively over from one end. You can see that strategy has shifted. India wants to de-link with Pakistan because India thinks unless the internal power struggle in Pakistan is solved, there is no point discussing with anyone. Basically, India is saying keep you PoK, but if you cause us trouble we will trouble you there and Balochistan and Gilgit. But if the LOE is accepted, there is future. From India's perspective, the focus is now on China and deciding how we deal with that. Edited January 31, 2022 by ravishingravi sandeep, AuxiliA and Autonomous 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 hours ago, ravishingravi said: With article 370 and article 35 A, withdrawn, the dispute is effectively over from one end. You can see that strategy has shifted. India wants to de-link with Pakistan because India thinks unless the internal power struggle in Pakistan is solved, there is no point discussing with anyone. Basically, India is saying keep you PoK, but if you cause us trouble we will trouble you there and Balochistan and Gilgit. But if the LOE is accepted, there is future. From India's perspective, the focus is now on China and deciding how we deal with that. I think its a very good solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, Autonomous said: I think its a very good solution. And that's why Pakistanis are not allowed to even dream of having it. After all, if a 'solution' is approved, how will PakMil mafia get free land, perks, mgmt level jobs in private sector, etc etc. Vijy and dial_100 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) On 1/28/2022 at 6:24 PM, Clarke said: I don't mention that coz everyone else does, its common knowledge. However, their tax rates seem absurd given their fiscal scenario. Check out what it used to be 2-3 years back: https://wise.com/us/blog/income-tax-in-pakistan Freakin 7 million per annum gets you into top tax bracket. I'm not even going towards compliance which will be worse than India for sure. Your question led me to think why @Autonomous is complaining. A low tax rate can also mean that allmost everyone in Pakistan is falls below a income of PKR 5 Lakhs as that amount means they are all struggling to make ends meet (Consider it with fact that Pakistanis have lager family to feed) so how can they be taxed. PKR 5 lakh is equivalent to a income of 2 lakh annually. @Autonomous what you think average earning in Pakistan is. GDP per Capita is misleading as it gets distorted by high earners. Edited February 1, 2022 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Going by the graphs on https://profit.pakistantoday.com.pk/2020/09/19/how-big-is-the-pakistani-middle-class/ Looks like under Immy Bhai, Most Pakistanis are now below Upper middle class. in 2018, 21% of middle class was high earner. In 2019, that number went down to 7%. Assuming same trajectory in 2020-2021, You can imgaine no one in Pakistan is now high earner apart from elites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 On 2/1/2022 at 3:57 PM, mishra said: Going by the graphs on https://profit.pakistantoday.com.pk/2020/09/19/how-big-is-the-pakistani-middle-class/ Looks like under Immy Bhai, Most Pakistanis are now below Upper middle class. in 2018, 21% of middle class was high earner. In 2019, that number went down to 7%. Assuming same trajectory in 2020-2021, You can imgaine no one in Pakistan is now high earner apart from elites Yes. Also, as per "official" government statistics, inflation is 13%. In actual, inflation is around 30%. Normal companies give around 10-13% increment, you can imagine how much real income would be falling. Also, cost of doing business hss increased, there is so much volatility that you dont know dollar may touch 190 tomorrow; business snd startups are failing. Everything in short is a shithole. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 On 1/31/2022 at 11:40 PM, sandeep said: And that's why Pakistanis are not allowed to even dream of having it. After all, if a 'solution' is approved, how will PakMil mafia get free land, perks, mgmt level jobs in private sector, etc etc. This loot maar cannot go on, look at where the economy is due to this all today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Autonomous said: This loot maar cannot go on, look at where the economy is due to this all today Economy is bad - for you. Not for PakMil. Even low level officers are swimming in perks and comfort. High level jernails enjoying Papa Johns and Green cards for their children. PakMil will ensure this gravy train "goes on", to the last Pakistani. And the deal with Chinese Communist Party now makes it very very hard for Pakistan to change their national policy. You guys are handcuffed now thanks to Chinese loans - they want you to keep harassing India, thats why they throw a few billions at you in "loans", and some knockoff weaponry. Its a great investment for them. They can afford it - but greenbro awaam can't. But that really isn't a problem for PakMil. greenbro sovereignty has been sold off. Crying about Imran or Bilawal or PML isn't going to change jack-shiyt. Only way that the economic situation changes for Pakistan is to start earning major $$$ via more trade with India. Trying to make deals with "central asia" etc etc isn't going to work. Increasing business/trade ties with China is not going to help because the Chinese are too ruthless, they are out to squeeze markets and poor countries, not to make them rich. You probably know this already, but may not be able to accept it publicly in "debate". And to really have proper trade with India, Pakistan would need to completely change its hostile enemy policy. For that, you have to get azaadi from the military juti . The sad harsh reality is that its almost impossible for anybody in Pakistan to genuinely challenge the military. Whether its sharif or bhutto or Imran. Those guys are firmly entrenched across the board. The only thing it takes to make serious change in a situation like this, is proper crisis. Pakistan is in the throes of an economic crisis now for few years. I think if things stay this way for another 4-5 years, and especially if the CCP has to stop bailing them out, which is likely, then we can have some change in the status quo. That's the only plausible scenario. There's no other way. Because the moment the economic pressure on Pakistan reduces, the Pakmil will be back to its usual habits. So those who want longterm return to "sanity" for Pakistan, peace and prosperity. They better pray for this current situation to play out until the PakMil gets defanged. AuxiliA and Vijy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Actually Pak Military Bajwa is talking much more sense than Immy. But the thing is Immy is Sar phira. They might just have to get rid of him. And I mean really get rid of him. Because he ain't going quietly into the sunset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Actually Pak Military Bajwa is talking much more sense than Immy. taqqiya. ravishingravi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohan Swamy Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Imrand is the least of your problems. If you have chootiyas like Masood Khan at key diplomatic positions, sadly the future is not very bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohan Swamy Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 On 1/31/2022 at 6:54 PM, ravishingravi said: Basically, India is saying keep you PoK, but if you cause us trouble we will trouble you there and Balochistan and Gilgit. But if the LOE is accepted, there is future. The Baloch are genuinely pi$$ed at the Pak Army. Reports of atleast 100 Pak soldiers being killed are coming in right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Mohan Swamy said: The Baloch are genuinely pi$$ed at the Pak Army. Reports of atleast 100 Pak soldiers being killed are coming in right now. US left Afghanistan, but it left all the ammunition too. Who do you think it was left for? If Immy visits Xi or Russia, forget Pakistans economy, there will be more such security events. IMO, Pakistan is game changer among Super Powers and Immy is world leader. Benevolent Pakistan has to allways speak for others and take someones side, but never on Pakistans side Edited February 3, 2022 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Himalaya sey oonchi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 Recent scene with mohsin baig shows the desperate state that imran khan is in right now. Foreign funding might be final nail in his coffin, i hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jf1gp_1 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 2/2/2022 at 7:30 PM, Autonomous said: Also, as per "official" government statistics, inflation is 13%. In actual, inflation is around 30%. impossible. they would have been in free fall if above was true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 14 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said: impossible. they would have been in free fall if above was true. It's possible. Turkey actual inflation rate is atleast 60%. Economy is in free fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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