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12 minutes ago, maniac said:

Jayasuriya had a long career and he was probably the most bottom handed player I can remember :dontknow: 

 

Good point. But I've also not seen a bottom-hand batsman enjoy a revival of sorts like Azhar, a top-handed batsman, had. Or, was it just a release from the burden of captaincy?

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Good point. But I've also not seen a bottom-hand batsman enjoy a revival of sorts like Azhar, a top-handed batsman, had. Or, was it just a release from the burden of captaincy?

This is not stats driven or a technical assessment but with Kohli one thing I have observed is his luck has deserted him. In his peak a lot of his good knocks especially in SENA where always circumspect at the start.

 

Luck is not a factor we consider but I feel that’s also a huge factor in his case.

 

also doesn’t seem to have the motivation or drive. From MC Bcing even when he got a good ball to goofy smiles for poor shots,

lot is going on out there. There isn’t any issue with technique etc, it’s still the same as it has always been.

 

Also bowlers have figured him out and he seems to be under mental pressure too and then he rubbed a lot of powerful people the wrong way.

 

Lot of moving parts to nail it down to one thing.

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2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Gill had a top handed batting style. He lost his reflexes as well. I think it comes down to technique

 

Shubman Gill? The guy hasn't yet started and he lost his reflexes? Strange...

 

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My theory his front foot game. He is  extremely front footed player even by predominantly front footed players standards. Ability to rock back and play the ball as late as possible against swing bowling is an art. But contrastingly he loves to kill the swing before that. SO he stands outside the crease where he gives himself very little time to play other type of balls. You cannot fix this.. It is the same reason why  he is missing the conventional off spin line completely and letting the ball through the gate. Too much of a front foot game.

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4 minutes ago, DarkProfile said:

 

Shubman Gill? The guy hasn't yet started and he lost his reflexes? Strange...

 

 

Gill's problem is more technical (against incoming balls) than reflex. He has one of the best late adjusting technique. Just that he has to fine tune few aspect.

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2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

My theory his front foot game. He is  extremely front footed player even by predominantly front footed players standards. Ability to rock back and play the ball as late as possible against swing bowling is an art. But contrastingly he loves to kill the swing before that. SO he stands outside the crease where he gives himself very little time to play other type of balls. You cannot fix this.. It is the same reason why  he is missing the conventional off spin line completely and letting the ball through the gate. Too much of a front foot game.

 

Well articulated, VVS. But how do you explain his dismissal today? It was a horrible pull attempt. He used to pull decently.

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Well articulated, VVS. But how do you explain his dismissal today? It was a horrible pull attempt. He used to pull decently.

 

Didn't see it live. Where was he standing? Was he outside?

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1 hour ago, maniac said:

This is not stats driven or a technical assessment but with Kohli one thing I have observed is his luck has deserted him. In his peak a lot of his good knocks especially in SENA where always circumspect at the start.

 

Luck is not a factor we consider but I feel that’s also a huge factor in his case.

 

also doesn’t seem to have the motivation or drive. From MC Bcing even when he got a good ball to goofy smiles for poor shots,

lot is going on out there. There isn’t any issue with technique etc, it’s still the same as it has always been.

 

Also bowlers have figured him out and he seems to be under mental pressure too and then he rubbed a lot of powerful people the wrong way.

 

Lot of moving parts to nail it down to one thing.

His technique has gone to the dogs these days.

 

See his dismissal against Marco.

 

Angled bat.

 

He had this issue but he corrected them in 2018 but all the old habits are back now.

 

PLus slowing reflexes and lack of drive.

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31 minutes ago, DarkProfile said:

 

He was standing a bit deep in the crease. Check out the highlights from 6 minutes onward:

 

https://www.iplt20.com/video/43790/m39-rcb-vs-rr--match-highlights?tagNames=2022

 

Looks like a last ditch effort to get back to form.  Many players have rediscovered their touch with slight alteration in technique. Ganguly/Azharuddin with two eyed stance. With plethora coaches, former legends available he should have had this issue sorted out. Find a percentage game that suits him and comes back strongly.

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2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Gill had a top handed batting style. He lost his reflexes as well. I think it comes down to technique

Shubman Gill reminds me a lot of Babar Azam.

 

I am not saying that as a snide comment. I think Babar is a very good batsman. 

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6 hours ago, DarkProfile said:

Sachin was a bottom-hand batsman too.

 

 

I don't think it as simplistic as bottom vs top handed players. loss of technique and drive/hunger, development of new bowling plans, deteriorating in eyesight or reflexes, etc. all matter a great deal. this Asif prediction strikes me as his typical showboating.

 

Don Bradman was quite bottom-handed from the videos. He didn't really suffer much of a decline despite 20 yr test career. although his case may be extreme, my point is that bottom hand vs top hand is not the only consideration.

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1 hour ago, maniac said:

Shubman Gill reminds me a lot of Babar Azam.

 

I am not saying that as a snide comment. I think Babar is a very good batsman. 

Sorry guys lol now only I understand I typed gill instead of gilly. Sorry about the confusion.

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