A growing list of No.11’s is a concern.

[maniac]

We are getting  some exciting future bowling prospects but keep in mind most of them are no.11’s. Neither do they look like great outfielders. How to balance the side will be an issue as well just like having too many keepers or one dimensional batsmen has been recently.

 

Top tier future prospects- already playing or in the backups 

 

Prasidh- no 11. Fielding: average.

Umran- no.11??? (Can he slog), fielding: average.

Natarajan- no.11, fielding: just about manageable.

Siraj- no.11, fielding: decent

Avesh Khan- no.11, fielding: poor

Khaleel- no.11, fielding: average.

 

Kuldeep Sen: ???

 

Mavi, Nagarkotti were those multi dimensional athletes but alas they are done I guess. I had high hopes for especially Mavi.

 

Karthik Tyagi I am told is an incredible athlete. I saw an interview with one of RR trainers and he said his athleticism is one of the best in India. High hopes there.

 

Anyway the solution is not obviously medium pacers who can bat but in the overall scheme of things is this a concern ?

 

Even in T20 some of the best T20 batters are keepers Samson, Rahul (part time), Pant, Kishen, DK etc. we have 5 keepers in our probables.
 

Need to keep a track of this too.

Edited April 27, 2022 by maniac

[Ankit_sharma03]

11 minutes ago, maniac said:

Kuldeep Sen: ???

abhi isko please India ke contendors men mat daalo, atleast look at him for a season or 2 in IPL . Look at his strength and weakness , also how he copes up with second season blues 

Arshdeep shud be ahead who has now been doing it for 2-3 seasons now 

[Ankit_sharma03]

13 minutes ago, maniac said:

Mavi, Nagarkotti were those multi dimensional athletes but alas they are done

at such age ur considering them done 

[maniac]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

abhi isko please India ke contendors men mat daalo, atleast look at him for a season or 2 in IPL . Look at his strength and weakness , also how he copes up with second season blues 

Arshdeep shud be ahead who has now been doing it for 2-3 seasons now 

Yes Arshdeep. Another No.11 fielding: good.

[maniac]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

at such age ur considering them done 

Their peers and juniors  like Afridi, Alzarri, Jansen,Naseem Shah and one more wi kid not remembering his name but debuted recently etc  are already playing first X1. I don’t even think these guys play full domestic seasons anymore.

[Ankit_sharma03]

One dimesion problem is just not with bowlers but also with our batters too. 

 

Solution- dont try to create what you dont have and go for better bowlers. But cricket is a game of conditions and every conditions make some bowlers better then other or at par with top bowlers. Even someone like binny will run riot on a damp wkt so use chahar, thakur, patel in right conditions/format where their bowling gets elevated . 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

Their peers and juniors  like Afridi, Alzarri, Jansen,Naseem Shah and one more wi kid not remembering his name but debuted recently etc  are already playing first X1. I don’t even think these guys play full domestic seasons anymore.

Race nhin hai , they just have to hit their best which can even come later. The names u mentioned didnt have injury issues like these 2 and were part of struggling teams so making to a national side was far easy. 

Every body is diff and injuries cant be controlled 

[maniac]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

One dimesion problem is just not with bowlers but also with our batters too. 

 

Solution- dont try to create what you dont have and go for better bowlers. But cricket is a game of conditions and every conditions make some bowlers better then other or at par with top bowlers. Even someone like binny will run riot on a damp wkt so use chahar, thakur, patel in right conditions/format where their bowling gets elevated . 

dont forget our best spinners in the IPL Kul-Cha are also as dimensional as it gets.

 

Bishnoi is a great fielder though.

 

Other spinning options are hit or miss players like Sundar (in T20), Krunal Pandya and legendary T20 player Jadeja.

[zen]

How a T20 game is played changes every few years … Now it is about how teams plan to win so if a team feels it can win with 4 specialist bowlers, it will go with that. If a team feels it can win with 11 players who can bat, it will go with that

 

A team needs to change if its chosen formula is not working (or becomes out dated where teams have specialist quality bowlers who can bat well too or AR who can bowl like specialist bowlers) 

 

A concern only after looking at optimized 11 (having Rohit & Kohli in and tailoring other 9 around them is not an optimized 11)

Edited April 27, 2022 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, maniac said:

dont forget our best spinners in the IPL Kul-Cha are also as dimensional as it gets.

 

Bishnoi is a great fielder though.

 

But as bowler bishnoi currentlly is one dimensional 

 

Just now, maniac said:

 

Other spinning options are hit or miss players like Sundar (in T20), Krunal Pandya and legendary T20 player Jadeja.

None of them are spin options they are utility ones- use them in right conditions n format it ll elevate their game

 

Krunal is good for t20 overseas

Axar- T20 subcontinet, Test 

Jadeja- Test , ODI 

Sundar- can be good in all formats but will only be able to hold a spot by improving his batting, bowling is okayish 

 

Itna complicated nahin

[Ankit_sharma03]

Its best not to look at sides like england , work around the best we have. 

[maniac]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Its best not to look at sides like england , work around the best we have. 

There are lot of things about our combo that Is one dimensional 

 

even bowling slots from what phase they can bowl in.

 

Thakur: can only bowl middle overs 

Harshal: only middle and a bit risky at death even though has been good.

Chahar: only new ball

Bumrah: middle and death.

Siraj: only new ball again risky at death.

Umran: untested at death and never seen him with new ball.

Nattu: only good at middle/ death

Khaleel: stronger with new ball

Avesh: better at death.

 

I notice similar pattern with our spinners too.

Edited April 27, 2022 by maniac

[Jay]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

Their peers and juniors  like Afridi, Alzarri, Jansen,Naseem Shah and one more wi kid not remembering his name but debuted recently etc  are already playing first X1. I don’t even think these guys play full domestic seasons anymore.

All those players are older than their stated age. Yes even white boys forge their age. It happens even in Australia. Some kids play under 21 when they are 25 etc. Especially black people lmao. I had a guy in class back when I was in high school who claimed he was 18 but in reality, he was nearing 25. No joke. Legit. 

[Adamant]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

All those players are older than their stated age. Yes even white boys forge their age. It happens even in Australia. Some kids play under 21 when they are 25 etc. Especially black people lmao. I had a guy in class back when I was in high school who claimed he was 18 but in reality, he was nearing 25. No joke. Legit. 

Where's the proof that all of them are older than their stated age? 

[Jay]

7 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Where's the proof that all of them are older than their stated age? 

Have you played sport st competitive level? In Australia it happens. I have played and it's common for older players to fill in for under 21s and even under 18s. Hell I did it for match fitness. 

 

People in India for some reason put white people on a pedestal and act like they are gods and they do no wrong. It's pathetic. 

 

Look at their faces. Shaheen is 22 hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhaa

 

Biggest joke of the year bro. 

Edited April 28, 2022 by Jay

[Adamant]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

Have you played sport st competitive level? In Australia it happens. I have played and it's common for older players to fill in for under 21s and even under 18s. Hell I did it for match fitness. 

 

People in India for some reason put white people on a pedestal and act like they are gods and they do no wrong. It's pathetic. 

 

Look at their faces. Shaheen is 22 hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhaa

 

Biggest joke of the year bro. 

What's wrong with Shaheen's face. 

 

You do know that people from that area have different facial features? 

You can't predict someone's age accurately just by looking at their face, lol. 

This is your defense?  Your own eyes? 

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

What's wrong with Shaheen's face. 

 

You do know that people from that area have different facial features? 

You can't predict someone's age accurately just by looking at their face, lol. 

This is your defense?  Your own eyes? 

Parkies have a history of age fudging want me to post what amir said? . I don't need to prove **** when I have real life experience of witnessing age fudging in AAUSTRALIA of all places. The goras your kind worship for some reason

.

[Dery]

Shaheen is a better bowler & batsman than all of them

[QuarantineTormentino]

3 minutes ago, Dery said:

Shaheen is a better bowler & batsman than all of them

GHANTAAAAA

 

Shaheen is yet to reach the level of Jaydev Unadkat

[Dery]

Even Haris Rauff is better bat