Gaikwad v Gill v Hooda v Kishan v Shaw v S Iyer v V Iyer

[zen]

Considering the 2022 (Aus) & 2024 (WI & USA) T20 WCs, which one (or two) is the better bet and therefore should be given more opportunities? Below are pros & cons of each player: 

 

 

Gaikwad

• Pros: Good against both pace & spin. Plays bounce well. 
• Cons: Can take some time to get going. Can bat only in the top order (#1-3). 

 

Gill

• Pros: Good against both pace & spin. Plays bounce well. 
• Cons: Coming to terms with the format. Can bat only in the top order (#1-3). 

 

Hooda 

• Pros: Good against both pace & spin. Plays bounce well. Can bat anywhere in the line up. Can bowl an over or two. Not stats focused so far. 
• Cons: None observed so far apart from needing more games to gain experience & improve himself further. 

 

Kishan

• Pros: Good against spin. Can bat anywhere in the line up. Can keep. 
• Cons: Can struggle against pace & bounce. Can take some time to get going. 

 

Shaw

• Pros: Attacking batsman. Can utilize powerplay. Not stats focused so far. 
• Cons: Can struggle against bounce. Below average fielder.  

 

S Iyer

• Pros: Good against spin. 
• Cons:  Can struggle against pace & bounce. Can take some time to get going. Can bat only in the top 4.  

 

V Iyer

• Pros: Attacking batsman. Can utilize powerplay. Can bowl an over or two. Not stats focused so far. 
• Cons: Can struggle against pace & bounce. Average fielder esp. catching under pressure. 

 

 

Edited June 11, 2022 by zen

[Majestic]

All are poor batsman. We have mediocre overrated t20 team on whom we unnecessarily waste our time on. The first thing is to accept and not be deluded enough to ask rating 6 mediocre players and who is better between them. No point discussing these stuffs.

 

We should only waste our time on test cricket and enjoy and hype IPL so that we enjoy and then try to get into the nerves of Pakistanis in all the forums lol.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Majestic

[zen]

Added Gill, who could be on the rise in this format, to the mix ... Apart from Gill, there are Samson, Tripathi, & Agarwal as well who may be considered later by selectors depending upon their form and consistency 

Edited June 11, 2022 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

Kishen- Big yes 

 

Match winner - like Umran will have extreme days and like him on his days he ll runaway with the game

Left hander- Need them in our lineups 

 

Concern - Works mostly on good true batting wkt but thats what australia is . Apart from that off spin is an issue but everyone will have that one issue . Lateral movement wo to sabki hai 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Shaw- has struggled to control bounce and it has been exploited as well . Its not that he has an issue but , he has scored at a good rate to but that has been his downfall to that to at a very very high rate 

But surely shud be in framework for next t20 Wc 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Shreyas Iyer- Picture speak , also him being mentally strong is the biggest bullshit i have ever heard. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 12, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Suhaan]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Shreyas Iyer- Picture speak , also him being mentally strong is the biggest bullshit i have ever heard. 

 

 

 

 

 

This fellow is an automatic ommision from LOI sides, can't be a certainty even in the test xi outside Asia

[Adamant]

Gill and Shaw are the only ones worth considering. 

 

All others are frauds. 

 

Won't survive real International cricket. 

[Adamant]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Kishen- Big yes 

 

Match winner - like Umran will have extreme days and like him on his days he ll runaway with the game

Left hander- Need them in our lineups 

 

Concern - Works mostly on good true batting wkt but thats what australia is . Apart from that off spin is an issue but everyone will have that one issue . Lateral movement wo to sabki hai 

Good bowling lineups in international cricket will find it very easy to exploit his weaknesses. 

He also gets stuck quite a lot, can't even imagine him playing against the Aussie trio, Boult-Lockie and Shaheen. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Good bowling lineups in international cricket will find it very easy to exploit his weaknesses. 

He also gets stuck quite a lot, can't even imagine him playing against the Aussie trio, Boult-Lockie and Shaheen. 

his weakness is lack of adaptability, Aus men kya problem.............Mazzedar batting wkts hai wo. He doesnt enjoy slow, two pace pitches not going to be a problem in Aus

And anways every one has issue u need to look for the best among them acc to condition n team combination . Gill,rutu, shaw they all have their share of problems 

 

[Adamant]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

his weakness is lack of adaptability, Aus men kya problem.............Mazzedar batting wkts hai wo. He doesnt enjoy slow, two pace pitches not going to be a problem in Aus

And anways every one has issue u need to look for the best among them acc to condition n team combination . Gill,rutu, shaw they all have their share of problems 

 

Kishan needs loose bowling to score, he isn't good enough against quality bowling attacks. That's because he is not talented. Can't change that. 

 

Shaw and Gill have unreal ability, they have fair share of problems as of now but inability to score against quality attacks isn't one of them

 

Thus Kishan will fail mostly in big games against good opponents while he will make merry against weaker teams, that's not the same with Gill and Shaw. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Kishan needs loose bowling to score, he isn't good enough against quality bowling attacks. That's because he is not talented. Can't change that. 

 

he has scored against nortje, wood, archer dont tell me that aint quality 

 

12 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Shaw and Gill have unreal ability, they have fair share of problems as of now but inability to score against quality attacks isn't one of them

 

shaw has too much downside too him compare to kishen as of now . Yes shaw is qualitatively a better batsman but on current returns in t20 format kishen has more pros . 

Gill is not an impact player, ill have him but not in comparison to 

12 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Thus Kishan will fail mostly in big games against good opponents while he will make merry against weaker teams, that's not the same with Gill and Shaw. 

In a big game u actually need players like kishen who can set them on back foot

As far big games goes our top 3 has been quite poor and kishen anyways wud just be in backups 

[Vijy]

18 hours ago, zen said:

Considering the 2022 (Aus) & 2024 (WI & USA) T20 WCs, which one (or two) is the better bet and therefore should be given more opportunities? Below are pros & cons of each player: 

 

 

Gaikwad

• Pros: Good against both pace & spin. Plays bounce well. 
• Cons: Can take some time to get going. Can bat only in the top order (#1-3). 

 

Gill

• Pros: Good against both pace & spin. Plays bounce well. 
• Cons: Coming to terms with the format. Can bat only in the top order (#1-3). 

 

Hooda 

• Pros: Good against both pace & spin. Plays bounce well. Can bat anywhere in the line up. Can bowl an over or two. Not stats focused so far. 
• Cons: None observed so far apart from needing more games to gain experience & improve himself further. 

 

Kishan

• Pros: Good against spin. Can bat anywhere in the line up. Can keep. 
• Cons: Can struggle against pace & bounce. Can take some time to get going. 

 

Shaw

• Pros: Attacking batsman. Can utilize powerplay. Not stats focused so far. 
• Cons: Can struggle against bounce. Below average fielder.  

 

S Iyer

• Pros: Good against spin. 
• Cons:  Can struggle against pace & bounce. Can take some time to get going. Can bat only in the top 4.  

 

V Iyer

• Pros: Attacking batsman. Can utilize powerplay. Can bowl an over or two. Not stats focused so far. 
• Cons: Can struggle against pace & bounce. Average fielder esp. catching under pressure. 

 

 

most of them are mediocrities sadly in T20s. that's because most of these batters trained in FC/tests and List A/ODIs and have that mindset. need to unearth genuine T20s experts who understand and adapt as per the demands of the game. they do not need to be "great" test/ODI players. what we need are so-called "hacks" like Tim David, who may look like ugly sloggers but can score at 160-200 SR at an avg of 25 or so.

[Prabhdeep Singh]

Ranking according to potential and game:

 

1) S Gill

2) P Shaw

3) S Samson

4) S Iyer

[Vickydev]

Hooda 

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

Ranking according to potential and game:

 

1) S Gill

2) P Shaw

3) S Samson

4) S Iyer

don't think Gill is yet cut out for t20s in all conditions, which was OP's format.

[Prabhdeep Singh]

11 minutes ago, Vijy said:

don't think Gill is yet cut out for t20s in all conditions, which was OP's format.

 

Well out of everyone playing Gill has the most potential I think.

[zen]

18 minutes ago, Vickydev said:

Hooda 

At this point, I am leaning towards Gill (constantly improving) & Hooda (can bowl an over or two too)

[zen]

Hooda is slowly marching ahead! … Gill is expected to join in too at some stage.

Edited July 8, 2022 by zen

[tweaker]

Hooda has been very impressive in the opportunities he has got.

He can bat at any position.

If the team management starts bowling him he would be great asset.