zen Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) Considering the 2022 (Aus) & 2024 (WI & USA) T20 WCs, which one (or two) is the better bet and therefore should be given more opportunities? Below are pros & cons of each player: Gaikwad Pros: Good against both pace & spin. Plays bounce well. Cons: Can take some time to get going. Can bat only in the top order (#1-3). Gill Pros: Good against both pace & spin. Plays bounce well. Cons: Coming to terms with the format. Can bat only in the top order (#1-3). Hooda Pros: Good against both pace & spin. Plays bounce well. Can bat anywhere in the line up. Can bowl an over or two. Not stats focused so far. Cons: None observed so far apart from needing more games to gain experience & improve himself further. Kishan Pros: Good against spin. Can bat anywhere in the line up. Can keep. Cons: Can struggle against pace & bounce. Can take some time to get going. Shaw Pros: Attacking batsman. Can utilize powerplay. Not stats focused so far. Cons: Can struggle against bounce. Below average fielder. S Iyer Pros: Good against spin. Cons: Can struggle against pace & bounce. Can take some time to get going. Can bat only in the top 4. V Iyer Pros: Attacking batsman. Can utilize powerplay. Can bowl an over or two. Not stats focused so far. Cons: Can struggle against pace & bounce. Average fielder esp. catching under pressure. Edited June 11, 2022 by zen tweaker and Norman 2 Link to comment
Majestic Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) All are poor batsman. We have mediocre overrated t20 team on whom we unnecessarily waste our time on. The first thing is to accept and not be deluded enough to ask rating 6 mediocre players and who is better between them. No point discussing these stuffs. We should only waste our time on test cricket and enjoy and hype IPL so that we enjoy and then try to get into the nerves of Pakistanis in all the forums lol. Edited June 11, 2022 by Majestic Vijy 1 Link to comment
zen Posted June 11, 2022 Author Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) Added Gill, who could be on the rise in this format, to the mix ... Apart from Gill, there are Samson, Tripathi, & Agarwal as well who may be considered later by selectors depending upon their form and consistency Edited June 11, 2022 by zen Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Kishen- Big yes Match winner - like Umran will have extreme days and like him on his days he ll runaway with the game Left hander- Need them in our lineups Concern - Works mostly on good true batting wkt but thats what australia is . Apart from that off spin is an issue but everyone will have that one issue . Lateral movement wo to sabki hai Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Shaw- has struggled to control bounce and it has been exploited as well . Its not that he has an issue but , he has scored at a good rate to but that has been his downfall to that to at a very very high rate But surely shud be in framework for next t20 Wc Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) Shreyas Iyer- Picture speak , also him being mentally strong is the biggest bullshit i have ever heard. Edited June 12, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03 Vickydev, Suhaan, Gollum and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Shreyas Iyer- Picture speak , also him being mentally strong is the biggest bullshit i have ever heard. This fellow is an automatic ommision from LOI sides, can't be a certainty even in the test xi outside Asia Link to comment
Adamant Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Gill and Shaw are the only ones worth considering. All others are frauds. Won't survive real International cricket. Link to comment
Adamant Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Kishen- Big yes Match winner - like Umran will have extreme days and like him on his days he ll runaway with the game Left hander- Need them in our lineups Concern - Works mostly on good true batting wkt but thats what australia is . Apart from that off spin is an issue but everyone will have that one issue . Lateral movement wo to sabki hai Good bowling lineups in international cricket will find it very easy to exploit his weaknesses. He also gets stuck quite a lot, can't even imagine him playing against the Aussie trio, Boult-Lockie and Shaheen. Vijy 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Adamant said: Good bowling lineups in international cricket will find it very easy to exploit his weaknesses. He also gets stuck quite a lot, can't even imagine him playing against the Aussie trio, Boult-Lockie and Shaheen. his weakness is lack of adaptability, Aus men kya problem.............Mazzedar batting wkts hai wo. He doesnt enjoy slow, two pace pitches not going to be a problem in Aus And anways every one has issue u need to look for the best among them acc to condition n team combination . Gill,rutu, shaw they all have their share of problems Link to comment
Adamant Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: his weakness is lack of adaptability, Aus men kya problem.............Mazzedar batting wkts hai wo. He doesnt enjoy slow, two pace pitches not going to be a problem in Aus And anways every one has issue u need to look for the best among them acc to condition n team combination . Gill,rutu, shaw they all have their share of problems Kishan needs loose bowling to score, he isn't good enough against quality bowling attacks. That's because he is not talented. Can't change that. Shaw and Gill have unreal ability, they have fair share of problems as of now but inability to score against quality attacks isn't one of them Thus Kishan will fail mostly in big games against good opponents while he will make merry against weaker teams, that's not the same with Gill and Shaw. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, Adamant said: Kishan needs loose bowling to score, he isn't good enough against quality bowling attacks. That's because he is not talented. Can't change that. he has scored against nortje, wood, archer dont tell me that aint quality 12 minutes ago, Adamant said: Shaw and Gill have unreal ability, they have fair share of problems as of now but inability to score against quality attacks isn't one of them shaw has too much downside too him compare to kishen as of now . Yes shaw is qualitatively a better batsman but on current returns in t20 format kishen has more pros . Gill is not an impact player, ill have him but not in comparison to 12 minutes ago, Adamant said: Thus Kishan will fail mostly in big games against good opponents while he will make merry against weaker teams, that's not the same with Gill and Shaw. In a big game u actually need players like kishen who can set them on back foot As far big games goes our top 3 has been quite poor and kishen anyways wud just be in backups Link to comment
Vijy Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 18 hours ago, zen said: Considering the 2022 (Aus) & 2024 (WI & USA) T20 WCs, which one (or two) is the better bet and therefore should be given more opportunities? Below are pros & cons of each player: Gaikwad Pros: Good against both pace & spin. Plays bounce well. Cons: Can take some time to get going. Can bat only in the top order (#1-3). Gill Pros: Good against both pace & spin. Plays bounce well. Cons: Coming to terms with the format. Can bat only in the top order (#1-3). Hooda Pros: Good against both pace & spin. Plays bounce well. Can bat anywhere in the line up. Can bowl an over or two. Not stats focused so far. Cons: None observed so far apart from needing more games to gain experience & improve himself further. Kishan Pros: Good against spin. Can bat anywhere in the line up. Can keep. Cons: Can struggle against pace & bounce. Can take some time to get going. Shaw Pros: Attacking batsman. Can utilize powerplay. Not stats focused so far. Cons: Can struggle against bounce. Below average fielder. S Iyer Pros: Good against spin. Cons: Can struggle against pace & bounce. Can take some time to get going. Can bat only in the top 4. V Iyer Pros: Attacking batsman. Can utilize powerplay. Can bowl an over or two. Not stats focused so far. Cons: Can struggle against pace & bounce. Average fielder esp. catching under pressure. most of them are mediocrities sadly in T20s. that's because most of these batters trained in FC/tests and List A/ODIs and have that mindset. need to unearth genuine T20s experts who understand and adapt as per the demands of the game. they do not need to be "great" test/ODI players. what we need are so-called "hacks" like Tim David, who may look like ugly sloggers but can score at 160-200 SR at an avg of 25 or so. Link to comment
Prabhdeep Singh Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Ranking according to potential and game: 1) S Gill 2) P Shaw 3) S Samson 4) S Iyer Link to comment
Vijy Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Prabhdeep Singh said: Ranking according to potential and game: 1) S Gill 2) P Shaw 3) S Samson 4) S Iyer don't think Gill is yet cut out for t20s in all conditions, which was OP's format. Link to comment
Prabhdeep Singh Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, Vijy said: don't think Gill is yet cut out for t20s in all conditions, which was OP's format. Well out of everyone playing Gill has the most potential I think. Vijy 1 Link to comment
zen Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, Vickydev said: Hooda At this point, I am leaning towards Gill (constantly improving) & Hooda (can bowl an over or two too) Link to comment
zen Posted July 8, 2022 Author Share Posted July 8, 2022 (edited) Hooda is slowly marching ahead! … Gill is expected to join in too at some stage. Edited July 8, 2022 by zen Vijy 1 Link to comment
tweaker Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Hooda has been very impressive in the opportunities he has got. He can bat at any position. If the team management starts bowling him he would be great asset. Link to comment
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