HamHindustani Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, bharathh said: You have clearly not understood what I have said earlier. I think understanding how jawans are recruited helps How are they recruited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, someone said: India's bigger issue is unemployability than unemployment. And this scheme aims to tackle that. A possibly 10th passout has nothing, and comes with weak skills, weak ethics and this aims to give them a window of opportunity. They can develop new skills, create a well-branded suitable resume and have money as lump sum. Eventually, they can become job creators, not just seekers. This scheme needs to be successful for India's sake, and be the benchmark for future similar schemes. Agreed. Plus people with little employable skills get paid 30k Or more guaranteed for 4 yrs. I guess it is too much to ask people to figure out their lives after 4 yrs. Govt should not have a say on how ppl lead their lives but should employ everyone at good salaries for the rest of their lives even though only 3 pc of ppl actually pay for its upkeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamHindustani Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, bharathh said: I see... What an interesting take on demand and supply. Have you published yet? For someone that knows a lot about the army you don't seem to know how jawan recruiting works. I bank on your knowledge. Please share here how jawans are recruited and what work they do. And why is government hiring for such kind of work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, HamHindustani said: How are they recruited? Google is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamHindustani Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, bharathh said: Google is your friend. why running away. Google is where you picked up how jawans are recruited and their worth in the army? I pity you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Gotta say BJP has one of the worst communication skills of all time. yes the opposition is a trouble maker constantly trying to stir crap and make life a living hell for the govt but if something can be implemented it can be implemented without much of a hungama. every frickin thing is becoming a violent unrest. Once or twice you can overlook but if it is happening for everything then right or wrong they need to self-introspect. Lone Wolf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, speedheat said: whatever Still waiting on a useful contribution from you. Seems like it's something that'll never come. No worries, logic and reasoning aren't your skill set. You must be good at "something". Just don't know that that "something" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Yes.. Saying I will not spoonfeed you is the same as running away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said: Still waiting on a useful contribution from you. Seems like it's something that'll never come. No worries, logic and reasoning aren't your skill set. You must be good at "something". Just don't know that that "something" is. You bhakt.. Go back to fenku and worship him. Close enough speedheat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) One of the few areas where Indian system worked way better than US. Veterans in US live a horrible life, PTSD and homelessness ravages them. Great work by the Govt, to spoil something that works. Anyways with these protests, expecting the govt to backtrack as usual. Edited June 17, 2022 by ash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, ash said: One of the few areas where Indian system worked way better than US. Veterans in US live a horrible life, PTSD and homelessness ravages them. Great work by the Govt, to spoil something that works. Anyways with these protests, expecting the govt to backtrack as usual. a system where bloated veteran pension and expense budget is giving them a cushy retirement but an existing army which takes decades to modernise which puts it behind many armies when it comes to modern ways of fighting... the same way we got fcked by Turks and Islamic armies invading us as we relied on old methods and couldn't cope with modern armies of that time. I issue is that this clown government: 1. has the lost the ability to have an affective PR tool and communication of its policies to get people on board 2. set a precedent to allow violent protests in response to any policy by not clamping down on them Some of my own family are using the benefits of being in an Army but there has to be way we can have efficiencies in the army by making sure that: - there is a minimum set number of armed forces which we need for operational purposes ( plus enough reservists) - enough budget to allow for modernisation by doing away with SOME old methods - and at the same time making sure a conscription based recruitment ensures each jawan gets a degree as part of the enrolment so they are able to get a job. So far all of you are being fighting with each others like cats and dogs throwing insults without actually discussing the merits or cons of this policy and what if the best way to meet in the middle. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kepler37b Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, ash said: One of the few areas where Indian system worked way better than US. Veterans in US live a horrible life, PTSD and homelessness ravages them. Great work by the Govt, to spoil something that works. Anyways with these protests, expecting the govt to backtrack as usual. It definitely works for the families of servicemen. But it should also work for the army. And also the tax payer. Remember army is much much more than servicemen. Edited June 17, 2022 by kepler37b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kepler37b Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 These numbers are mind boggling. Pensions are 28% of defence budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said: a system where bloated veteran pension and expense budget is giving them a cushy retirement but an existing army which takes decades to modernise which puts it behind many armies when it comes to modern ways of fighting... the same way we got fcked by Turks and Islamic armies invading us as we relied on old methods and couldn't cope with modern armies of that time. I issue is that this clown government: 1. has the lost the ability to have an affective PR tool and communication of its policies to get people on board 2. set a precedent to allow violent protests in response to any policy by not clamping down on them Some of my own family are using the benefits of being in an Army but there has to be way we can have efficiencies in the army by making sure that: - there is a minimum set number of armed forces which we need for operational purposes ( plus enough reservists) - enough budget to allow for modernisation by doing away with SOME old methods - and at the same time making sure a conscription based recruitment ensures each jawan gets a degree as part of the enrolment so they are able to get a job. So far all of you are being fighting with each others like cats and dogs throwing insults without actually discussing the merits or cons of this policy and what if the best way to meet in the middle. All of these can be achieved without this scheme. Do you seriously think Salaries and pensions are the only way that we can cutback on the overheads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, kepler37b said: These numbers are mind boggling. Pensions are 28% of defence budget. Not to mention that in today's world of remote warfare, having more ppl on the ground is irrelevant. We need fewer professional soldiers and more ppl ready to fight which is what ppl in Singapore, Israel, Switzerland etc do in their 2 yr compulsory draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 People who want a career in the army van opt to stick around. Time to trim the fat. On the one hand we are bleeding money l, on the other we want no reforms. I agree with ppl that want politicians to be stripped of all allowances and pensions as well. Doesn't mean we can't do anything elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, ash said: One of the few areas where Indian system worked way better than US. Veterans in US live a horrible life, PTSD and homelessness ravages them. Great work by the Govt, to spoil something that works. Anyways with these protests, expecting the govt to backtrack as usual. Well, US has issues with its system, but not because of the short service contracts. It was because of the number of wars they fight for no reason. Their defence budget is 10 times that of India, and they spend a massive amount on weapnry. They don't send people to fight in high altitudes, but send drones. We send jawans to get slaughtered in the mountain. It is not just US, China, Russia and many countries have short service contracts, even in India for officers. But, any such scheme in India where aam junta can get employment with least amount spent on education, skills building and gets set for life, people will clamor for it, be it Agriculture, Army (Navy, AF needs more skills), Thekedaari, MNREGA. Well, Army can't be a MNREGA scheme. After the Kargil comission report, it was made clear that the average age was too high for India to fight better . This is one attempt to rectify it. The defence budget is too huge and majority expenditure is spent of pension of servicemen/jawans. It is better to invest in upgrading skills of yhese 10th-pass who will serve 20 years and 80% of them are in non-combat roles, as some have already pointed out. They end-up as domestic servants of officers with no skills gained. These policies are decent to address the ills, but not comminicated better. Esp for some who see nothing good about last 8 years. There is a saying in Kannada - "A reluctant husband finds stones even in curds". Feku Feku karte rehte hain. Edited June 17, 2022 by coffee_rules raki05 and bharathh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, ash said: All of these can be achieved without this scheme. Do you seriously think Salaries and pensions are the only way that we can cutback on the overheads? Such as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, ash said: All of these can be achieved without this scheme. Do you seriously think Salaries and pensions are the only way that we can cutback on the overheads? ok.. so in the armed forces what is the other way of cutting back over heads? 1. Reducing the army size? 2. Stop investment in modernisation? I mentioned in my first post that anything the GoI invests in requires funding.. so if MORE indians paid their fair share of tax rather then the current 1-5% of all eligible tax payers then maybe we dont have to cut back on anything AND we have a modern army. But right now, would you as an Indian taxpayer want more investment in public infrastructure, health, economy OR the pensions of army veterans? Im not saying what is right or wrong but there are more than stakeholder that we need to consider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kepler37b Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, ash said: All of these can be achieved without this scheme. Do you seriously think Salaries and pensions are the only way that we can cutback on the overheads? Not salaries. But pensions...yes!! Provide them good salaries and then basic social support and health care post retirement. Remember vast majority of Indians does not even have this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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