Why are we trying to bring back Trundler Culture in Indian cricket again ?? Our pace bowling revolution started with the pace and bounce of Bumrah and Shami.and the height of Ishant.

[Vijy]

OP, we are bringing back trundler culture for the same reason that our batting core remains stagnant and has proven non-performers like KL and DK taking up slots. there is no vision, no accountability, no management, and no sense. add to that the fact this generation of "talents" have merely a fraction of talent compared to not just the 90s/00s folks but also those in the 2010s.

[rkt.india]

I would better like to lose with fast bowlers bowling 145 than 135.

Edited September 4, 2022 by rkt.india

[Suhaan]

Trundler culture has arrived for real

[Vijy]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

I would better like to loss with fast bowlers bowling 145 than 135.

yes, since we lose most crucial matches anyway (these days), might as well as have some excitement along the way

[Vijy]

Just now, Suhaan said:

Trundler culture has arrived for real

started off with genuine pacers in 30s (e.g., L Ramji; M Nissar), then went to sleep until 2010s (barring exceptions like Srinath), woke up for a decade or so, and now back to sleep again

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

OP, we are bringing back trundler culture for the same reason that our batting core remains stagnant and has proven non-performers like KL and DK taking up slots. there is no vision, no accountability, no management, and no sense. add to that the fact this generation of "talents" have merely a fraction of talent compared to not just the 90s/00s folks but also those in the 2010s.

 

 

Agree with the rest but the fast bowling talents in India are far more frequently available nowadays than earlier.

Edited September 4, 2022 by express bowling

[Vijy]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

 

Agree with the rest but the fast bowling talent in India is far more frequently available nowadays than earlier.

I don't think we have an attack that can be as potent as the following: Shami, Bumrah, peak Bhuvi (in swinging conditions), peak Umesh (in SC conditions), and Lambu.

 

Of course, we have not tried most of the newbies, so I am aware that the above statement can be wrong

[Suhaan]

Just now, Vijy said:

I don't think we have an attack that can be as potent as the following: Shami, Bumrah, peak Bhuvi (in swinging conditions), peak Umesh (in SC conditions), and Lambu.

 

Of course, we have not tried most of the newbies, so I am aware that the above statement can be wrong

Barring Bumrah all took their time to become what they are today

Umesh,Ishant only started looking good from 2016/17 in red ball

Arun needs the credit here, actually he put emphasis on importance of pace in tests and understood if we were to win test matches at home/abroad we need to select prefer pace ,Umesh Aaron so be it, unfortunately Aaron got injured in 2015 and then came Bumrah

Had Aaron been there alongside Arun,he too would have transformed into a good red ball bowler atleast like Umesh and Ishant(who also played county)

[Vijy]

Just now, Suhaan said:

Barring Bumrah all took their time to become what they are today

Umesh,Ishant only started looking good from 2016/17 in red ball

Arun needs the credit here, actually he put emphasis on importance of pace in tests and understood if we were to win test matches at home/abroad we need to select prefer pace ,Umesh Aaron so be it, unfortunately Aaron got injured in 2015 and then came Bumrah

Had Aaron been there alongside Arun,he too would have transformed into a good red ball bowler atleast like Umesh and Ishant(who also played county)

and in the absence of arun? what we will probably see is lots of promising pacers lose their way, in which case they clearly can't be compared against their predecessors

[express bowling]

25 minutes ago, Vijy said:

I don't think we have an attack that can be as potent as the following: Shami, Bumrah, peak Bhuvi (in swinging conditions), peak Umesh (in SC conditions), and Lambu.

 

Of course, we have not tried most of the newbies, so I am aware that the above statement can be wrong

 

Whether we have or not, only time will tell.

 

But the raw material available in the 2020s are much more than 1990s or 2000s.

 

That we are wasting that raw material  (  pace talent ) is the point of this thread.

[express bowling]

Our preference for safe economical bowlers over wicket taking bowlers cost us this match despite scoring 181.

 

Unless a team picks wickets, most scores are difficult to defend these days. 

[rkt.india]

Bring Umran, Kuldeep, Kartik together. Give Prasidh freedom to just rip it. You have the quartet. 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Bring Umran, Kuldeep, Kartik together. Give Prasidh freedom to just rip it. 

 

 

Gambhir was asking ( implying ) whether Avesh has been told to bowl slower than he usually does.

 

Prasidh is definitely bowling slower for India than he does for his franchise. Same with Umran. 

 

There is cause to worry.

 

 

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Gambhir was asking ( implying ) whether Avesh has been told to bowl slower than he usually does.

 

Prasidh is definitely bowling slower for India than he does for his franchise. Same with Umran. 

 

There is cause to worry.

 

 

Dravid was called meek for a reason,he loves staying safe
He was rather innovative with U19,but with India he is scared of loosing and acting as a coward

What is the point of being defensive when you won't get opportunity to defend as opposition will thrash you to dust by exploiting your weakness ruthlessly?
Dravid,Chetan Sharma,Mahambrey a scary coincidence working together

 

 

 

[maniac]

Looks like Ro has that Dhoniconda Touch of making a game out of defending with trundlers and spinners  

 

He made a game out of it but that will only look like a good idea to play with these guys than quick bowlers 

[maniac]

4 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Dravid was called meek for a reason,he loves staying safe
He was rather innovative with U19,but with India he is scared of loosing and acting as a coward

What is the point of being defensive when you won't get opportunity to defend as opposition will thrash you to dust by exploiting your weakness ruthlessly?
Dravid,Chetan Sharma,Mahambrey a scary coincidence working together

 

 

 

when you get the talent pool like we have at junior level and when there is no ego involved and all these kiddos are overwhelmed by you and fall in line, even you and I can coach.

 

Rahul though has an approachable personality. That works in his favor but he is too approachable and that’s a problem too

[Swag]

For all those going on about our trundler attack (not defending our bowling by the way), Pakistan's 3 out and out pace bowlers gave away 121 runs/3 wickets, our 3 pacers which includes Pandya gave away 111 runs/3 wickets.

It is not the pace per se but the match awareness, intelligence and nerves to produce the goods in tight situations that we seem to lack.

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Dravid,Chetan Sharma,Mahambrey a scary coincidence working together

 

 

 

 

[vayuu1]

2 minutes ago, Swag said:

For all those going on about our trundler attack (not defending our bowling by the way), Pakistan's 3 out and out pace bowlers gave away 121 runs/3 wickets, our 3 pacers which includes Pandya gave away 111 runs/3 wickets.

It is not the pace per se but the match awareness, intelligence and nerves to produce the goods in tight situations that we seem to lack.

Their bowling collectively did well , plus they did well fielding wise 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, Swag said:

For all those going on about our trundler attack (not defending our bowling by the way), Pakistan's 3 out and out pace bowlers gave away 121 runs/3 wickets, our 3 pacers which includes Pandya gave away 111 runs/3 wickets.

It is not the pace per se but the match awareness, intelligence and nerves to produce the goods in tight situations that we seem to lack.

 

 

Just pace is not enough.

 

Otber skills are needed with pace too.

 

But pace and bounce are needed too.

 

Pakistan is one extreme ... They will pick a quick bowler even if he lacks other skills.

 

India is the other extreme ... we totally ignore the need for pace if possible. 

 

The Australian or South African or Windies of 1975 to 1995 approach of ....  Pace + Bounce + Other skills is the way to go.