Australia v Sri Lanka, 25/10/2022, Perth

[maniac]

8 minutes ago, zen said:

A team has to move on esp. with multiple formats … Hooda or Sundar or whoever were hardly given a consistent run. Hooda scored a 100 in Ireland and 33 off 17 in the first T20 in Eng but was benched. 

 

It is not about writing any one off but having the courage to move on and field youngsters. Aus could play Green over Smith, who is a legend. Eng has picked Brooks over Joe Root. Finch is planning to move on too after this WC iirc. We still see these Rohit-Kohli in a T20 11  

I get your point but Hooda is no where close to Cameron Green. Green is being protected to become the next Kallis type player. Check his first class records.

 

Harry Brooks too is the future.

 

this is not the same scenario.

 

I do think on the flip side someone like Tyagi or Umran should have been thrown in the deep end in Australia like Pak have done with Naseem etc.

[zen]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

Root or Smith are not T20 Goats , esp Kohli. So, don't compare him with the likes of Root and Smith. They are red-ball or ODI specialists. Yes, even here there is a talk of Kohli/Rohit retiring in T20s after this WC. 

GOAT is a hollow nomenclature. Root and Smith are GOAT players for their countries and they can easily fit them into any set up if they wished. If they played for India, they would probably be in Ind 11 too

[coffee_rules]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

GOAT is a hollow nomenclature. Root and Smith are GOAT players for their countries and they can easily fit them into any set up if they wished. If they played for India, they would probably be in Ind 11 too

Speculative argument. We can never know that. Butler and Bairstow, Warner are GOATs for their countries, not Smith or Root. 

[maniac]

6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Root or Smith are not T20 Goats , esp Kohli. So, don't compare him with the likes of Root and Smith. They are red-ball or ODI specialists. Yes, even here there is a talk of Kohli/Rohit retiring in T20s after this WC. 

TBF Root is a very good loi player and can easily replace Malan. They are backing him but he would easily walk into our side. He can bowl too.

 

Smith I agree his loi game has gone down. Surprising though he was the original SKY type player who would hit in different parts of the field. Also he doesn’t bowl so he is the most easily dispensable of the fab4. For Nzl it is T.I.N.A factor with Williamson  

[zen]

11 minutes ago, maniac said:

I get your point but Hooda is no where close to Cameron Green. Green is being protected to become the next Kallis type player. Check his first class records.

 

Harry Brooks too is the future.

 

this is not the same scenario.

 

I do think on the flip side someone like Tyagi or Umran should have been thrown in the deep end in Australia like Pak have done with Naseem etc.

We do not know who is going to keep his potential in the long run  (on potential, we have guys like Gill, Shaw, etc., … Pant too is sitting on the bench). T20s teams are ideally chosen based on optimal combination. Hooda or whoever does not need to be a potential ATG to be in the 11. If he does the job now, use him. 
 

The issue with India is that it picks these “legends” first (even when they anre struggling) and tries to build a team around them. When it should be based on how you want to play the game, win it, etc. 

 

Now Ind won against Pak. But if we continue to field these guys who play a knock here and there to keep their place for a few more years, it is a hollow victory from the big picture PoV. 

Edited October 25, 2022 by zen

[zen]

2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Speculative argument. We can never know that. Butler and Bairstow, Warner are GOATs for their countries, not Smith or Root. 

Root can fit into an Eng 11 (it is a conscious decision that Eng has taken. Similarly, Aus can fit in Smith at 3 but Aus has taken the decision to back power hitters like Marsh, who is inconsistent. 

[maniac]

1 minute ago, zen said:

We do not know who is going to keep his potential (we have guys like Gill, Shaw, etc., … Pant too is sitting on the bench). T20s are chosen based on optimal combination. Hooda or whoever does not need to be a potential ATG to be in the 11. If he does the job now, use him. 
 

The issue with India is that it picks these “legends” first and tries to build a team around them. When it should be based on how you want to play the game, win it, etc. 

 

Now Ind win against Pak. But if we continue to field these guys who play a knock here and there to keep their place for a few more years, it is a hollow victory from the big picture PoV.   

Gill is not a T20 player. He doesn’t have the 5th gear both Rohit and Rahul have when set.

 

Shaw I agree but seems like he has a lot of external issues from what I hear. Sometimes we don’t know the full picture.

 

Pant should replace Rahul right away.

 

apart from that this team especially batting picks itself. I do think Ro and Ko should call it quits after this tournament but they deserved to play here because we don’t have good enough backups.

 

I like Axar Patel but as I said he won’t work in Australia and same goes for Hooda. Gill will do well in ODIs but don’t think he has that xfactor that Rohit and Rahul had in their prime.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

They are sending Stoinis at 5. We send Axar patel lol 

[zen]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

Gill is not a T20 player. He doesn’t have the 5th gear both Rohit and Rahul have when set.

 

Shaw I agree but seems like he has a lot of external issues from what I hear. Sometimes we don’t know the full picture.

 

Pant should replace Rahul right away.

 

apart from that this team especially batting picks itself. I do think Ro and Ko should call it quits after this tournament but they deserved to play here because we don’t have good enough backups.

 

I like Axar Patel but as I said he won’t work in Australia and same goes for Hooda. Gill will do well in ODIs but don’t think he has that xfactor that Rohit and Rahul had in their prime.

 

 

Gill has improved a lot. Has been successful in Aus. 

 

Hooda, Samson, etc. all have good game for Aus conditions. 
 

Irrespective of the results here, Ind should have moved on from Rohit-Kohli after the last T20 World Cup. 

 

 MSD played a good knock in the SF. If he hadn’t retired, he could have played in the last WC too. India could have moved on from Dhoni before the 2019 WC. 
 

 

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Gill has improved a lot. Has been successful in Aus. 

 

Hooda, Samson, etc. all have good game for Aus conditions. 
 

Irrespective of the results here, Ind should have moved on from Rohit-Kohli after the last T20 World Cup. 

 

 MSD played a good knock in the SF. If he hadn’t retired, he could have played in the last WC too. India could have moved on from Dhoni before the 2019 WC. 
 

 

The planning good or bad is done for a cycle. Since the cycle is 2 world t20s and 50 over world cup, you have to back  our biggest star players unless something unforeseen happens like it did in Aussie tour 2020.

 

I still think bowling combo is the bigger problem 

[zen]

3 minutes ago, maniac said:

The planning good or bad is done for a cycle. Since the cycle is 2 world t20s and 50 over world cup, you have to back  our biggest star players unless something unforeseen happens like it did in Aussie tour 2020.

 

I still think bowling combo is the bigger problem 

Bowling problem too is linked with the backing off senior players as they influence selections and playing 11s!

[zen]

If Smith or Root played for India, he would be at #4 not SKY 

 

And such decision have the roots (no pun intended) in the type of sports culture that the country has 

 

 

[vice]

aussies back on track

[Number]

Pitches so far have been juicy. First 10 overs teams have struggled to score. 

Early summer/late winter conditions with start of the season pitches being fresh are the reason we are not seeing many high scoring games.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Number

[Nikola]

Didn't watch match but seeing scoreboard it seems like australia again played pretty dumb. Finch 31 of 42! Marsh & Warner all batted way too slow. They had golden chance to get NRR in positive today if they would have attacked bit. Not sure about their strategy but they don't seem like they are confident enough to win worldcup.

[CricketWise]

25 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Didn't watch match but seeing scoreboard it seems like australia again played pretty dumb. Finch 31 of 42! Marsh & Warner all batted way too slow. They had golden chance to get NRR in positive today if they would have attacked bit. Not sure about their strategy but they don't seem like they are confident enough to win worldcup.

Pitch wasn't easy to bat on and Finch struggled. SL also bowled very well generally apart from Hasaranga. Stoinis won the game single handedly.

[nitinbwj]

55 minutes ago, CricketWise said:

Pitch wasn't easy to bat on and Finch struggled. SL also bowled very well generally apart from Hasaranga. Stoinis won the game single handedly.

Maxwell broke the shackles and tore into Hasaranga.Once the Aussies knew that they will win eventually when 60 was needed off 42,Stoinis started attacking,hit some lucky fours.Shanaka again bowled Hasaranga and Stoinis made merry. Hasaranga lost it singlehandedly.

[coffee_rules]

54 minutes ago, nitinbwj said:

Maxwell broke the shackles and tore into Hasaranga.Once the Aussies knew that they will win eventually when 60 was needed off 42,Stoinis started attacking,hit some lucky fours.Shanaka again bowled Hasaranga and Stoinis made merry. Hasaranga lost it singlehandedly.

SL was hampered by losing their bowler - Fernando in the first over. They had to bowl Hasyaranga

[vvvslaxman]

 

[vvvslaxman]