Make up of T20 XI

[straighttalk]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

1) Gaikwad (consolidator+aggressor)

2) Faf

3) Robint uthappa

4) Moeen Ali

5) Ambati Rayudu

6) Dhoni

7) Jadeja

8) Bravo

9) Thakur

10) Chahar

11 Hazlewood

 

Team that won the IPL. granted Dhoni/jadeja are not exactly T20 ball strikers. Look at the depth. Chahar is coming in at 10. Heck even Hazlewood can bat.

 

 

They have 2 spinners  4 seamers.  

Bravo/Hazlewood can bowl in death

 

Only miss is leg spinner

Umm in ipl dhoni is t20 prima Donna...but get your point

[Vijy]

no amount of wishlists will take away the reality that our top 5 do not bowl and our bottom 4 do not bat. calling likes of mohsin, shami, boobi (in LOIs), boom, etc. bowlers who can bat is an insult to genuine bowlers who can bat (like Cummins in T20s).

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

no amount of wishlists will take away the reality that our top 5 do not bowl and our bottom 4 do not bat. calling likes of mohsin, shami, boobi (in LOIs), boom, etc. bowlers who can bat is an insult to genuine bowlers who can bat (like Cummins in T20s).

 

Unless they work around that make up this charade will continue. You will be forced to play a near perfect game every match in a world t20. That is not going to happen. In 1983 we won because our tail-enders put up some useful score in the back end and our part timer stepped up with ball. Tendulkar's part time bowling alone have earned us some crucial wins. One of the most famous is 2001 Eden Garden win where he bagged 3 vital wickets with bowling. 10 years back Same Alex hales and Luke wright were running away with the match. Yuvi cleaned  them up both. Your team selection should be based on this. Not 5 super star batsmen who can't bowl,  4 wanna be super start bowlers who can't bat. This cycle will continue.

[vvvslaxman]

You can cry from rooftop about positive intent in power play. But you better your XI right. Maximum depth. You may play aggressively for a couple of matches. After a couple of collapses and implosion you will retreat to same old conservative crap. All teams try to do and find themselves in this position. In 1983 India had great number of utility players. If you want all out attack your combination has to be just right.

 

Buttler bat & wk

Hales bat hitter

Salt hitter

Stokes   Genuine all rounder

Brook hitter

Moeen All rounder

Livingstone bat and bowl

Sam Curran All rounder

Chris woakes can bat and bowl

Jordan can bat and bowl

Adil Rashid bowl and can bat and click occasionally

[cricketfan28]

t20 is lottery after semis.

[vvvslaxman]

23 minutes ago, cricketfan28 said:

t20 is lottery after semis.

 

You can be consistent if you have players to handle crisis all the way down. It is basic. Pakistan were like 120 for 4 in 17 overs. They had no depth to finish it well. Played like headless chickens and lost their way because they loaded theri side with bowlers and a couple of bowlers who can bat.

[GautiMaan]

They can look at the 2007 t20 world cup squad for depth, you had guys like Yuvi, Yusuf, Irfan. Even Jogi was there because of his utility.

The other thing needed is flexibility in the lineup, they had the audacity to open with Yusuf in the final then, now the top order is untouchable and we hardly see promotions for hitters even if the situation calls for it

[Vijy]

37 minutes ago, GautiMaan said:

They can look at the 2007 t20 world cup squad for depth, you had guys like Yuvi, Yusuf, Irfan. Even Jogi was there because of his utility.

The other thing needed is flexibility in the lineup, they had the audacity to open with Yusuf in the final then, now the top order is untouchable and we hardly see promotions for hitters even if the situation calls for it

yusuf also opened the bowling, I think, and that too directly in the final.

 

multi-skilled cricketers are becoming must in t20s. in tests, you can have specialists and 1-2 ARs

[rkt.india]

Leave everything aside, just concentrate on hitting sixes. Target 10 sixes per match in bilaterals on flat pitches. Hales alone hit 7 sixes against us.

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, MultiB48 said:

Bowling is their strength,no point weakening it,they needed someone like Stokes but they had Nawaz or ifitikhar.

mohd wasim is not an AR. can't bat for toffee. seems like shami-level bat.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, MultiB48 said:

Bowling is their strength,no point weakening it,they needed someone like Stokes but they had Nawaz or ifitikhar.

 

They have 4 fast bowlers.  2 all rounders in Shadab and Nawaz. Nawaz has done well on flat pitches. But on these surfaces he is not really that good. Even Shadab had his moment only at the SCG. That is like 6 lower order batsman who can't be expected to make runs.

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

 

Even England struggled,had Shaheen not got injured then who knows .if they weaken their bowling then will be an ordinary side , neither strong in batting nor bowling much like india.

 

 

And towards the end it's always a lottery ,just coming in and scoring quickly ain't easy that too on that pitch, that's part of t20 .

 

Pakistan needs a batting all-rounder like jayasuriya instead of likes of Nawaz or chachu and one more quality middle order batsman in place of Masood.

 

At some point this tactic will backfire. They consciously targeted Mohammad wasim. Wade Targeted Shaheen Shah afridi, Kohli targeted him too,.  The conditions were uber friendly for fast bowlers. But their batsmen were not good enough. Same thing happened against ZImbabwe. Conditions were good for fast bowling. They restricted them to 130. But couldn't chase 130.  Against India thanks to our inept bowlers they got away to post 159. 

[straighttalk]

If I am the selectors..I would choose this team

Mayank or Prithvi

Pant

Gill/Iyer- depending on pitch..

Sky

Samson

Pandya

Jadeja or Sundar or Hooda or Tewtiya or Viyer or Tilak Verma

D Chahar or Thakur or someone who can bat and bowl

Kuldeep or Bishnoi

Bumrah

Mohsin or Arshdeep or Umraan or someone else

Prefer the seventh batsman to be leftie and be a bowler.

 

Exact combination can be chosen based on condition.

 

Competition is high..selectors should convey multi skill players have preference .that would incentivise players to focus on fielding and secondary skills

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, straighttalk said:

If I am the selectors..I would choose this team

Mayank or Prithvi

Pant

Gill/Iyer- depending on pitch..

Sky

Samson

Pandya

Jadeja or Sundar or Hooda or Tewtiya or Viyer or Tilak Verma

D Chahar or Thakur or someone who can bat and bowl

Kuldeep or Bishnoi

Bumrah

Mohsin or Arshdeep or Umraan or someone else

Prefer the seventh batsman to be leftie and be a bowler.

 

Exact combination can be chosen based on condition.

 

Competition is high..selectors should convey multi skill players have preference .that would incentivise players to focus on fielding and secondary skills

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thing about choosing one-dimensional players is when they fail in that one department they become dejected and carry a negative energy as they can't contribute to the side anymore. Imagine having 8 one-dimensional players. Once they fail in their department you see 8 players with no confidence. Whole team will go through motions. 

[putrevus]

They need to get rid of fear of failure . After CT207 Indian teams under Kohli were playing not to lose rather than trying to win.That is why Kohli's captaincy became stale.

 

Unfortunately it has become become even worse under Rohit. You cannot succeed in any sport if you are fearing failures.They need a new captain and coach with new thinking.

[cricketfan28]

First step is to get rid of seniors and then give the young team enough time to learn and adapt, nothing exceptional  should be expected in the first 2 years.

[aditya19]

Squad should be condition based, in australia bhuvi, ashwin, harshal etc are useless. In uae these might be good. T20 8/11 players should be young. 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

We can pack the side with so many youngsters. But if we go with similar set up of bowlers who can't bat and batsmen who can't bowl we will fail every single time in the world T20. Even the best of best sides have collapses. Somebody has to step up in the back end. What some batting line up does is in order to prevent collapses they start very slowly. 

[jalebi_bhai]

Samson (Bat)

Pant/Kishan (Wk-bat)

SKY (Bat)

Kohli (Bat) "conditional role"

Hooda (Bat AR)

Hardik (Bat AR)

Tewatia/Jadeja (AR)

D. Chahar (Bowl)

Kuldeep Yadav/Bishnoi (Bowl)

Bumrah/Umran (Bowl)

Arshdeep/Mohsin (Bowl)

 

I know some controversial names in there but let me explain the structure of the team.

 

Top 3 will be given full freedom to attack the bowling. I know Pant has had his struggles but I think it's time he's given a decent run of consecutive games as an opener. If he flops even in that role, then discard him and play Kishan.

 

Samson and SKY are intent merchants so let them do their thing. 

 

Now we come to Kohli. I know most have excluded him from their team but I still believe that he can provide value. He comes in at 4 only if we have lost 2 wickets in the powerplay. Otherwise hold him back towards the back end of the innings to take down the pacers. 

 

Say what you want about Kohli's strike rate, he's still one of few players we have who can attack high quality pace. His role needs to evolve though and if he's not willing to evolve, he can also be discarded.

 

Hooda and Hardik will be the batting all-rounders. Hooda is a polarising figure on ICF, but imo he also deserves a fair shot in a somewhat fixed role.

 

Hardik at 6 to be the finisher. I know he wants to bat at 5, but he needs to be a team player and play the role of the finisher. He's experienced enough now.

 

Tewatia or Jadeja at 7 as the all-rounder. Pretty much self explanatory.

 

Chahar at 8. Powerplay specialist bowler who is a useful hitter. Gives you all the same bowling skills as Buzdil Kumar but crucially, isn't a coward.

 

Kuldeep or Bishnoi at 9 as the leggie. Again self explanatory. 

 

Bumrah at 10 as the pace spearhead with Umran being his understudy.

 

Arshdeep or Mohsin at 11 as the left arm pacer.

 

This team will give you reasonable batting depth and as well as 7 bowling options. We don't have England's talent pool wrt skillset so let's play to our strengths till we produce that talent pool. 

 

Discard Rohit, KL, Buzdil, Ashwin, DK, Shami, Chahal from the squad. 

[mani sha]

1 hour ago, jalebi_bhai said:

Samson (Bat)

Pant/Kishan (Wk-bat)

SKY (Bat)

Kohli (Bat) "conditional role"

Hooda (Bat AR)

Hardik (Bat AR)

Tewatia/Jadeja (AR)

D. Chahar (Bowl)

Kuldeep Yadav/Bishnoi (Bowl)

Bumrah/Umran (Bowl)

Arshdeep/Mohsin (Bowl)

 

I know some controversial names in there but let me explain the structure of the team.

 

Top 3 will be given full freedom to attack the bowling. I know Pant has had his struggles but I think it's time he's given a decent run of consecutive games as an opener. If he flops even in that role, then discard him and play Kishan.

 

Samson and SKY are intent merchants so let them do their thing. 

 

Now we come to Kohli. I know most have excluded him from their team but I still believe that he can provide value. He comes in at 4 only if we have lost 2 wickets in the powerplay. Otherwise hold him back towards the back end of the innings to take down the pacers. 

 

Say what you want about Kohli's strike rate, he's still one of few players we have who can attack high quality pace. His role needs to evolve though and if he's not willing to evolve, he can also be discarded.

 

Hooda and Hardik will be the batting all-rounders. Hooda is a polarising figure on ICF, but imo he also deserves a fair shot in a somewhat fixed role.

 

Hardik at 6 to be the finisher. I know he wants to bat at 5, but he needs to be a team player and play the role of the finisher. He's experienced enough now.

 

Tewatia or Jadeja at 7 as the all-rounder. Pretty much self explanatory.

 

Chahar at 8. Powerplay specialist bowler who is a useful hitter. Gives you all the same bowling skills as Buzdil Kumar but crucially, isn't a coward.

 

Kuldeep or Bishnoi at 9 as the leggie. Again self explanatory. 

 

Bumrah at 10 as the pace spearhead with Umran being his understudy.

 

Arshdeep or Mohsin at 11 as the left arm pacer.

 

This team will give you reasonable batting depth and as well as 7 bowling options. We don't have England's talent pool wrt skillset so let's play to our strengths till we produce that talent pool. 

 

Discard Rohit, KL, Buzdil, Ashwin, DK, Shami, Chahal from the squad. 

Agree . Sundar , Tyagi/porel , legspin bowler parttime - full time batter should also be I. Reserves . Squad has to be developed . 
 

what we miss is leg spin allrounders , true fast men - need to give people like chahar a chance who can bowl fast legspin .