gattaca Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Multiple projects are lost to Gujarat. Gujarat comes out of no where and snatched these projects. What is the initiative for all states of India to elect BJP when they clearly are concerned only developing gujarat only. A change is needed. BJP should be taught a lesson for this. Tata-Airbus aircraft project Maharashtra was considered finalist Vedanta-Foxconn project Maharashtra, Telangana and kanartaka were in play for this project. Lone Wolf, eulbninem, Vilander and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 What's the issue with Guj getting projects? ... If Guj were "independent", it would have got a lot more projects (Rest of Ind would struggle to compete). ravishingravi and Vilander 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 3 hours ago, gattaca said: Multiple projects are lost to Gujarat. Gujarat comes out of no where and snatched these projects. What is the initiative for all states of India to elect BJP when they clearly are concerned only developing gujarat only. A change is needed. BJP should be taught a lesson for this. Tata-Airbus aircraft project Maharashtra was considered finalist Vedanta-Foxconn project Maharashtra, Telangana and kanartaka were in play for this project. Gujarat is perhaps the most capitalistic and competitive state in country. They have delivered on most projects and commitments. BJP doesn't give the projects the state. It's the proprietor who puts his money who decides which state offers the best quotation and support. A foreign investor doesn't give hoot about local politics between states. He needs assured ROI. zen and Vilander 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollack Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ravishingravi said: Gujarat is perhaps the most capitalistic and competitive state in country. They have delivered on most projects and commitments. BJP doesn't give the projects the state. It's the proprietor who puts his money who decides which state offers the best quotation and support. A foreign investor doesn't give hoot about local politics between states. He needs assured ROI. The projects were initially planned to setup in Maharashtra and shifted to Gujarat at the last moment. If Gujarat is such a heaven for investors then they would have been planned to setup in Gujarat at the first place. Tata Airbus project was in the bag of Maharashtra already. Vedanta Foxconn again a shocker since Talegaon Pune is a much better choice than Dholera for a niche industry like semiconductors. Dholera is a dry land and a failed smart city with no future. Heavy investments here in any projects are doomed or would require heavy susidy or incentives from government to continue.On the contrary Pune has much better infrastructure, logistics, connectivity and already available skilled workforce. Edited December 24, 2022 by Pollack Khota and gattaca 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Pollack said: The projects were initially planned to setup in Maharashtra and shifted to Gujarat at the last moment. If Gujarat is such a heaven for investors then they would have been planned to setup in Gujarat at the first place. Tata Airbus project was in the bag of Maharashtra already. Vedanta Foxconn again a shocker since Talegaon Pune is a much better choice than Dholera for a niche industry like semiconductors. Dholera is a dry land and a failed smart city with no future. Heavy investments here in any projects are doomed or would require heavy susidy or incentives from government to continue.On the contrary Pune has much better infrastructure, logistics, connectivity and already available skilled workforce. The underlined part is called narrative. FDI process takes 18-24 months atleast. Maharashtra has by far the highest FDI in the country. If anyone believes that the place of investment can be changed last minute by the state and business will simply invest $20bn where state wants to, needs to understand how this process works. 1) There are multiple milestones in the process 2) Yes Maharashtra was ahead in its bid. But it did not finalize concession to be provided to the investors for 18 months. They didn't meet once. 3) If all investments are moving to Gujarat then why are there huge investments happening in UP and TN. Why is Adani building the biggest port in Kerala. Truth is MVA govt screwed up and lost a lot of credibility in last 2 years. 1) Rampant corruption at all levels 2) Most major projects including have slowed down or shut down 3) Their inefficiency lost Maharashtra largest refinery in Asia. So, as a businessman I know where I will invest. Its plain and simple the incompetence in Maharashtra. And this is just not MVA. This incompetence has crept in over last 10 year. We have lost a lot of business over this period. zen and Clarke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gattaca Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: The underlined part is called narrative. FDI process takes 18-24 months atleast. Maharashtra has by far the highest FDI in the country. If anyone believes that the place of investment can be changed last minute by the state and business will simply invest $20bn where state wants to, needs to understand how this process works. 1) There are multiple milestones in the process 2) Yes Maharashtra was ahead in its bid. But it did not finalize concession to be provided to the investors for 18 months. They didn't meet once. 3) If all investments are moving to Gujarat then why are there huge investments happening in UP and TN. Why is Adani building the biggest port in Kerala. Truth is MVA govt screwed up and lost a lot of credibility in last 2 years. 1) Rampant corruption at all levels 2) Most major projects including have slowed down or shut down 3) Their inefficiency lost Maharashtra largest refinery in Asia. So, as a businessman I know where I will invest. Its plain and simple the incompetence in Maharashtra. And this is just not MVA. This incompetence has crept in over last 10 year. We have lost a lot of business over this period. They met Shinde and Fadnavis in July. It wasn’t just MVA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 The shifting happened right around election time. Multiple projects were shifted at this time. Gujarat without india probably wouldn’t even exist considering proximity to Pakistan. Not the other way around as some would claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) The narrative earlier used to be that Guj govt under Modi in UPA times was throwing too much money (benefits) towards corporates. Tata Motors moved the Nano project overnight while they were struggling with farmer protests in WB & Didi/TMC saw it as a victory of sorts, standing up for the regular person against the rich corporates. If one is to contrast MH & Guj, the former 'sometimes' isn't as forthcoming to industry & infra as the latter in relative terms. The Konkan refinery has its own struggles while Guj didn't hold back on the Mundra port. The previous MH govt took its own time on the bullet train & metro shed as well. I'm not saying the Vedanta project should have ended up at a particular place, just the bigger picture. Its fair to debate whether there is implicit or excessive bias, and I don't have the answer to that, so this is a tangential rant of sorts. I'd prefer other states also benefit from industrialization & infra development and not lop sided towards my state on any other. No point in Ahmedabad or Surat turning into another Mumbai/Delhi/Bengaluru Edited December 24, 2022 by Clarke Khota 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 4 hours ago, gattaca said: The shifting happened right around election time. Multiple projects were shifted at this time. Gujarat without india probably wouldn’t even exist considering proximity to Pakistan. Not the other way around as some would claim. There's no point in debating that at all, we're talking about the land of Gandhi & Sardar and not some state with current or past secessionist movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 hope Karnataka and Maharashtra voters take note,the gujjus in power have only their state in mind even though most of its dry arid state. Under_Score and Vilander 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 8 hours ago, gattaca said: Gujarat without india probably wouldn’t even exist considering proximity to Pakistan. Not the other way around as some would claim. Gujarat’s issues with Pak are because of India … Without India, it has no issues with anyone! The major founding fathers of Ind and Pak are from Gujarat. Gandhi, Sardar (who actually worked to unite India), & Jinnah. It is a state that actually share borders with Pak unlike some states that only talk about Pak as an enemy without anything much at stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 15 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Gujarat is perhaps the most capitalistic and competitive state in country. They have delivered on most projects and commitments. BJP doesn't give the projects the state. It's the proprietor who puts his money who decides which state offers the best quotation and support. A foreign investor doesn't give hoot about local politics between states. He needs assured ROI. And of course, it has nothing to do with Modi. Vilander and Under_Score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 I have worked in Gujrat. Gujaratis are pretty decent and good to do business with. But so are Mahashtrans and Kannads. I think files move a bit faster if the project is going to Gujrat. I can understand Gujrat having advantage over Punjab, but I don't see anything like this vis s vis Maharashtra. Politics has some role to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 Seen plenty of Gujju Labourers doing labor work in Punjab & HP. Hard working people but poverty is ever present. Maharashtra contributes most to India in GDP & nobody is remotely close. Has better HDI index than neighbouring Gujarat too.... Meaning folks There are richer than Gujarat. Power right now is in Gujju hands but that will change eventually. MAH & UP are eventual power states Indian Union since forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 12 hours ago, gattaca said: They met Shinde and Fadnavis in July. It wasn’t just MVA. Delay happened under MVA. Moving the project was already under consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Khota said: And of course, it has nothing to do with Modi. You don't read or know anything. So I would say this is out of your league. Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Seen plenty of Gujju Labourers doing labor work in Punjab & HP. Hard working people but poverty is ever present. Maharashtra contributes most to India in GDP & nobody is remotely close. Has better HDI index than neighbouring Gujarat too.... Meaning folks There are richer than Gujarat. Power right now is in Gujju hands but that will change eventually. MAH & UP are eventual power states Indian Union since forever. Note that MAH itself is powered by Gujaratis! However, its GDP per capita is lower than Guj's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) That things are "equal" is only for the books. People in the other states can vote for whomever they want to. These politicians rather than give anything have even taken what the people have What are some of these guys dreaming about? Edited December 24, 2022 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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