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Multiple projects are lost to Gujarat. Gujarat comes out of no where and snatched these projects. What is the initiative for all states of India to elect BJP when they clearly are concerned only developing gujarat only. A change is needed. BJP should be taught a lesson for this. 
 

Tata-Airbus aircraft project

Maharashtra was considered finalist

 

Vedanta-Foxconn project

Maharashtra, Telangana and kanartaka were in play for this project. 

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3 hours ago, gattaca said:

Multiple projects are lost to Gujarat. Gujarat comes out of no where and snatched these projects. What is the initiative for all states of India to elect BJP when they clearly are concerned only developing gujarat only. A change is needed. BJP should be taught a lesson for this. 
 

Tata-Airbus aircraft project

Maharashtra was considered finalist

 

Vedanta-Foxconn project

Maharashtra, Telangana and kanartaka were in play for this project. 

 

 Gujarat is perhaps the most capitalistic and competitive state in country. They have delivered on most projects and commitments. BJP doesn't give the projects the state. It's the proprietor who puts his money who decides which state offers the best quotation and support. A foreign investor doesn't give hoot about local politics between states. He needs assured ROI. 

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1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

 

 Gujarat is perhaps the most capitalistic and competitive state in country. They have delivered on most projects and commitments. BJP doesn't give the projects the state. It's the proprietor who puts his money who decides which state offers the best quotation and support. A foreign investor doesn't give hoot about local politics between states. He needs assured ROI. 

 The projects were initially planned to setup in Maharashtra and shifted to Gujarat at the last moment. If Gujarat is such a heaven for investors then they would have been planned to setup in Gujarat at the first place.

Tata Airbus project was in the bag of Maharashtra already.

Vedanta Foxconn again a shocker since Talegaon Pune is a much better choice than Dholera for a niche industry like semiconductors.  Dholera is a dry land and a failed smart city with no future. Heavy investments here in any projects are doomed or would require heavy susidy or incentives from government to continue.On the contrary Pune has much better infrastructure, logistics, connectivity and already available skilled workforce.

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3 hours ago, Pollack said:

 

 The projects were initially planned to setup in Maharashtra and shifted to Gujarat at the last moment. If Gujarat is such a heaven for investors then they would have been planned to setup in Gujarat at the first place.

Tata Airbus project was in the bag of Maharashtra already.

Vedanta Foxconn again a shocker since Talegaon Pune is a much better choice than Dholera for a niche industry like semiconductors.  Dholera is a dry land and a failed smart city with no future. Heavy investments here in any projects are doomed or would require heavy susidy or incentives from government to continue.On the contrary Pune has much better infrastructure, logistics, connectivity and already available skilled workforce.

 

The underlined part is called narrative. FDI process takes 18-24 months atleast. Maharashtra has by far the highest FDI in the country. If anyone believes that the place of investment can be changed last minute by the state and business will simply invest $20bn where state wants to, needs to understand how this process works. 1) There are multiple milestones in the process 2) Yes Maharashtra was ahead in its bid. But it did not finalize concession to be provided to the investors for 18 months. They didn't meet once. 3) If all investments are moving to Gujarat then why are there huge investments happening in UP and TN. Why is Adani building the biggest port in Kerala. 

 

Truth is MVA govt screwed up and lost a lot of credibility in last 2 years. 1) Rampant corruption at all levels 2) Most major projects including have slowed down or shut down 3) Their inefficiency lost Maharashtra largest refinery in Asia. So, as a businessman I know where I will invest. Its plain and simple the incompetence in Maharashtra. And this is just not MVA. This incompetence has crept in over last 10 year. We have lost a lot of business over this period. 

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36 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

The underlined part is called narrative. FDI process takes 18-24 months atleast. Maharashtra has by far the highest FDI in the country. If anyone believes that the place of investment can be changed last minute by the state and business will simply invest $20bn where state wants to, needs to understand how this process works. 1) There are multiple milestones in the process 2) Yes Maharashtra was ahead in its bid. But it did not finalize concession to be provided to the investors for 18 months. They didn't meet once. 3) If all investments are moving to Gujarat then why are there huge investments happening in UP and TN. Why is Adani building the biggest port in Kerala. 

 

Truth is MVA govt screwed up and lost a lot of credibility in last 2 years. 1) Rampant corruption at all levels 2) Most major projects including have slowed down or shut down 3) Their inefficiency lost Maharashtra largest refinery in Asia. So, as a businessman I know where I will invest. Its plain and simple the incompetence in Maharashtra. And this is just not MVA. This incompetence has crept in over last 10 year. We have lost a lot of business over this period. 

They met Shinde and Fadnavis in July. It wasn’t just MVA. 

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The narrative earlier used to be that Guj govt under Modi in UPA times was throwing too much money (benefits) towards corporates. Tata Motors moved the Nano project overnight while they were struggling with farmer protests in WB & Didi/TMC saw it as a victory of sorts, standing up for the regular person against the rich corporates. 

 

If one is to contrast MH & Guj, the former 'sometimes' isn't as forthcoming to industry & infra as the latter in relative terms. The Konkan refinery has its own struggles while Guj didn't hold back on the Mundra port. The previous MH govt took its own time on the bullet train & metro shed as well.

 

I'm not saying the Vedanta project should have ended up at a particular place, just the bigger picture. Its fair to debate whether there is implicit or excessive bias, and I don't have the answer to that, so this is a tangential rant of sorts. 

 

I'd prefer other states also benefit from industrialization & infra development and not lop sided towards my state on any other. No point in Ahmedabad or Surat turning into another Mumbai/Delhi/Bengaluru :p:

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4 hours ago, gattaca said:

The shifting happened right around election time. Multiple projects were shifted at this time. Gujarat without india probably wouldn’t even exist considering proximity to Pakistan. Not the other way around as some would claim. 

 

There's no point in debating that at all, we're talking about the land of Gandhi & Sardar and not some state with current or past secessionist movement.

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8 hours ago, gattaca said:

Gujarat without india probably wouldn’t even exist considering proximity to Pakistan. Not the other way around as some would claim. 


Gujarat’s issues with Pak are because of India … Without India, it has no issues with anyone! 
 

The major founding fathers of Ind and Pak are from Gujarat. Gandhi, Sardar (who actually worked to unite India), & Jinnah. 
 

It is a state that actually share borders with Pak unlike some states  that only talk about Pak as an enemy without anything much at stake. 

 

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15 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

 

 Gujarat is perhaps the most capitalistic and competitive state in country. They have delivered on most projects and commitments. BJP doesn't give the projects the state. It's the proprietor who puts his money who decides which state offers the best quotation and support. A foreign investor doesn't give hoot about local politics between states. He needs assured ROI. 

And of course, it has nothing to do with Modi.

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I have worked in Gujrat. Gujaratis are pretty decent and good to do business with. But so are Mahashtrans and Kannads. I think files move a bit faster if the project is going to Gujrat. I can understand Gujrat having advantage over Punjab, but I don't see anything like this vis s vis Maharashtra. Politics has some role to play.

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Seen plenty of Gujju Labourers doing labor work in Punjab & HP.  Hard working people but poverty is ever present. 

Maharashtra contributes most to India in GDP & nobody is remotely close. 

Has better HDI index than neighbouring Gujarat too....  Meaning folks There are richer than Gujarat. 

 

Power right now is in Gujju hands but that will change eventually.  MAH & UP are eventual power states Indian Union since forever. 

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34 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Seen plenty of Gujju Labourers doing labor work in Punjab & HP.  Hard working people but poverty is ever present. 

Maharashtra contributes most to India in GDP & nobody is remotely close. 

Has better HDI index than neighbouring Gujarat too....  Meaning folks There are richer than Gujarat. 

 

Power right now is in Gujju hands but that will change eventually.  MAH & UP are eventual power states Indian Union since forever. 

 

Note that MAH itself is powered by Gujaratis! However, its GDP per capita is lower than Guj's 

 

 

 

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That things are "equal" is only for the books. 

 

People in the other states can vote for whomever they want to. These politicians rather than give anything have even taken what the people have :rofl: 

 

What are some of these guys dreaming about? :facepalm:

 

 

 

 

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