Can Jadeja finish his career with a 40+ batting average and a <25 bowling average?

[zen]

4 hours ago, AuxiliA said:

 

Bhai stop refering Indian pitches as 'tailor made', 'doctored', etc if you are not going to hold the SENA pitches to the same measure. Your hypocrisy on this topic is nauseating. 

 

ALL bowlers get to play half their matches on favourable home conditions. Many ATG SENA pacers kept playing most of their matches in favourable conditions but never heard people like you talk about that. 

 

And I brought up Lara as a sarcastic reply to your hypocritical analysis. Thought that was obvious. 

 

Buddy, Indian pitches tend to be tailor made where effort is made to not “prepare”. Guys like Raju, Joshi, Kumble, Ashwin, Jadeja, Axar Patel, etc. have feasted on it over the decades since 1990s. 
 

There is a difference b/w favourable conditions and doctored pitches. Ball moving in the “air” is not necessarily because of the pitch. Such conditions are found almost anywhere since time immemorial (not since 1990s). 
 

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, Stan AF said:

Don't think jadeja himself cares about all that, he's full on into politics these days.

isn't he more of a politician these days? I remember reading about his relentless campaigning

[Lord]

On 1/3/2023 at 7:15 PM, Vijy said:

isn't he more of a politician these days? I remember reading about his relentless campaigning

for his wife. Same as Kohli praising Anushka's movies.

[vvvslaxman]

On 1/3/2023 at 2:10 AM, AuxiliA said:

 

Bhai stop refering Indian pitches as 'tailor made', 'doctored', etc if you are not going to hold the SENA pitches to the same measure. Your hypocrisy on this topic is nauseating. 

 

ALL bowlers get to play half their matches on favourable home conditions. Many ATG SENA pacers kept playing most of their matches in favourable conditions but never heard people like you talk about that. 

 

And I brought up Lara as a sarcastic reply to your hypocritical analysis. Thought that was obvious. 

 

 

 

 

 

Muralitharan, Warne, Herath have very average records in India.  One of the big difference is we use SG ball. We started using since 1994.  Seam is pronounced.  I caught another video of Ashwin on how the pitches are being prepared in SENA when they face India. The pitch progressive wears off in India in such a manner that you can see the effect by day 3 or 4. But the way SENA perpares is they leave a moist pitch on day 1 with grass. The progression of deterioration is slowed down so much so it will attain the Indian pitch conditions on day 7 or 8.   Apart from chuklidaran and Warne no spinner has dominated most places convincingly. Murali has a terrible record in Australia.  Warne in India. Even some spinners  who pick up wickets were a result of pressure from Pacers.  They get some free wickets.   Spinners are mostly support casts in SENA except on some grounds like Oval, SCG.  We lost clumps of wickets to Moeen Ali this way while not being able to score against others. 

 

Guys like Jadeja, Ashwin are one of the most over exposed bowlers in modern cricket. They play IPL against these guys, bowl in nets, bowl in ODIs, T20Is, Test matches. They are very much used to these bowlers. You need to add a bit of variations to your bowling all the time. Apart from odd  test matches India has the fairest pitch conditions. Only time INdia had these under prepared pitches was between 1994 and 1998.  Since 98 we have decent surfaces.  Classic Chennai Test match,  Eden Gardens classic to name a few. In the last 10 years INdia has produced very good pitches. Umesh/Shami/Bumrah have outbowled spinners in terms of averages.  

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/england-in-india/the-cricket-ball-comparison-sg-vs-kookaburra-vs-dukes-explained/articleshow/80848209.cms

 

 

[putrevus]

Some idiots who think Pandya is a great player will never understand the greatness of guy like Jadeja.Jadeja has been improving every year since he started as a kid in 2008 that is mark of a champion. I was his one of his biggest critics and always thought him as bits and pieces player but he has really shown that his batting talent of scoring 3 triple centuries was not a mirage or fluke by constantly improving himself.He is the greatest outfielder India has produced, Axar Patel in million years will not be Jadeja.

 

He will end up with more than 300 plus test wickets and 4000 runs.He has 17 fifties in 60 tests that is an amazing record for an allrounder.He has already scored a 100 in England and should have scored 100 in Australia.He will score more 100s for sure.He scores runs when top order fails too, him and Pant are two diamonds in Indian cricket.

 

If he had any support in 2019 semis that innings would have been one of great odi innings in Indian history .Pandya in 6 years is yet to play any innings which is of that caliber in high stakes match.

Edited January 4, 2023 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ravindra-jadeja-to-resume-playing-set-to-feature-in-ranji-trophy-1353872

 

Ravindra Jadeja to resume playing, set to feature in Ranji Trophy

[speedracer]

On 1/3/2023 at 6:10 PM, AuxiliA said:

 

Bhai stop refering Indian pitches as 'tailor made', 'doctored', etc if you are not going to hold the SENA pitches to the same measure. Your hypocrisy on this topic is nauseating. 

 

ALL bowlers get to play half their matches on favourable home conditions. Many ATG SENA pacers kept playing most of their matches in favourable conditions but never heard people like you talk about that. 

 

And I brought up Lara as a sarcastic reply to your hypocritical analysis. Thought that was obvious. 

 

 

 

 

Not a fkn word said about how sena stat pad. All these sena bowlers sat pad on juicy tracks yet get exposed in India or Asia in general. Phattu bowlers. Kabada. Averages 50 in India for example. 

 

Only time they do well is if we offer pitches that are bouncy and flat in India.

[speedracer]

On 1/5/2023 at 6:04 AM, vvvslaxman said:

 

Muralitharan, Warne, Herath have very average records in India.  One of the big difference is we use SG ball. We started using since 1994.  Seam is pronounced.  I caught another video of Ashwin on how the pitches are being prepared in SENA when they face India. The pitch progressive wears off in India in such a manner that you can see the effect by day 3 or 4. But the way SENA perpares is they leave a moist pitch on day 1 with grass. The progression of deterioration is slowed down so much so it will attain the Indian pitch conditions on day 7 or 8.   Apart from chuklidaran and Warne no spinner has dominated most places convincingly. Murali has a terrible record in Australia.  Warne in India. Even some spinners  who pick up wickets were a result of pressure from Pacers.  They get some free wickets.   Spinners are mostly support casts in SENA except on some grounds like Oval, SCG.  We lost clumps of wickets to Moeen Ali this way while not being able to score against others. 

 

Guys like Jadeja, Ashwin are one of the most over exposed bowlers in modern cricket. They play IPL against these guys, bowl in nets, bowl in ODIs, T20Is, Test matches. They are very much used to these bowlers. You need to add a bit of variations to your bowling all the time. Apart from odd  test matches India has the fairest pitch conditions. Only time INdia had these under prepared pitches was between 1994 and 1998.  Since 98 we have decent surfaces.  Classic Chennai Test match,  Eden Gardens classic to name a few. In the last 10 years INdia has produced very good pitches. Umesh/Shami/Bumrah have outbowled spinners in terms of averages.  

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/england-in-india/the-cricket-ball-comparison-sg-vs-kookaburra-vs-dukes-explained/articleshow/80848209.cms

 

 

Let me make it clear. Outbowled sena bowlers. Outbowled all of sena bowlers. Indian bowlers that is. 

 

Olderson cloud shagger just got lucky in that last test where somehow magically managed to get to bowl at us under the clouds. Then got exposed In the following tests thereafter. 

 

Sena teams 100% rig pitches when India tour. 

 

Austrlais tried to be a smart ass in second bgt test match back in 2021 by making a spicy bouncy pitch. They got demolished by india as we dint have the choker coolie and had some strong fit young guns playing for us who had the fire to perform. Clutch pant bumrah siraj etc. 

 

In England we should easily won that series. First test should have been an easy win. Needed like 140 to chase with 9 wickets remaining. 

 

Only in nz we have been under par because we also go there under prepared. 

 

In SA we had our chance but poor selections in batting cost us. Not picking prasidh or even ishu for those conditions dint help either. 

 

Also for once we need to bloody start winning tosses.

Edited January 15, 2023 by speedracer

[Lord]

6 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ravindra-jadeja-to-resume-playing-set-to-feature-in-ranji-trophy-1353872

 

Ravindra Jadeja to resume playing, set to feature in Ranji Trophy

great. hope others play Ranji before internationals too

[R!TTER]

Jadeja's been a regular with Ranji sides, he came back after massive performances in 2015 paying domestics just before the SA series. IIRC Ashwin also plays whenever he can for TN but of course our resident SIL's in Brat, fat ass, KL, Bumrah, HP are too important to play domestics!

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Jadeja's been a regular with Ranji sides, he came back after massive performances in 2015 paying domestics just before the SA series. IIRC Ashwin also plays whenever he can for TN but of course our resident SIL's in Brat, fat ass, KL, Bumrah, HP are too important to play domestics!

 

Yes. Ashwin even played TNCA leagues. They should challenge themselves bowling to tough domestic batsmen. it is easy to bully the SENA players. It is much harder to take wickets against Indian domestic players.