is it FAIR to beat Australia on such SPIN Tracks, crafted for spinners...

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Dude what about the pictures sorry are you discounting the fact that they tried to doctor the pitch by saying that even in that pitch our bowlers barring Ashwin could not get much spin ?. 

 

India could have got close to the same recult if it made a neutral sporting pitch. Thats what was needed.

 

That was a random picture taken during watering.  Once the match was over all the conspiracy theorists took back their theory. When the match started entire area was dry with grass binding them up.  Ashwin did not even bowl for 20 plus overs. Besides 2 left handers made 50 plus on the same pitch against two off spinners. Same way left handers got out to straight balls. So it was just a conspiracy theory. 

[Vilander]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

That was a random picture taken during watering.  Once the match was over all the conspiracy theorists took back their theory. When the match started entire area was dry with grass binding them up.  Ashwin did not even bowl for 20 plus overs. Besides 2 left handers made 50 plus on the same pitch against two off spinners. Same way left handers got out to straight balls. So it was just a conspiracy theory. 

 

So it was taken mid way ? Did any aussie commentary in their tv observe it or validate it ( without bcci over bearing). Man this is so dodgy,anyway with the pace bowling and spin bowling resource this team deserves clean victories. Bcci should sue the jurno that started this conspiracy theory, but it could back fire.

[vvvslaxman]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/australia-vs-india-cricket-news-first-test-talking-points-nagpur-pitch-spooked-batters-pat-cummins-travis-head-selection/news-story/db83333e40f9a086ae618f5b6e1bbd60

 

When pictures of the Nagpur wicket circulated online, many in the Australian cricket community were up in arms.

The claim was that the pitch had been designed to be a nightmare for left-handers, a convenient factor given five of Australia’s top seven batters in Sydney were lefties.

Even Australia appeared to be buying into things, with pictures circulating of David Warner down on his knees on the pitch, trying to learn as much as possible.

Steve Smith meanwhile spoke about dry the pitch appeared to be — and that was before it was only selectively watered.

The visitors then battled hard at the crease, scoring just 177 and 91 runs in their two innings.

As for India, they chalked up a cool 400 runs on the exact same wicket.

Former Test wicketkeeper Brad Haddin believed all of the pre-match chatter about the pitch meant the Aussies put their “energy into the wrong places” and tripped themselves up.

 

“The wicket didn’t play as bad as the score suggested,” Haddin told Fox Cricket.

“I think there were five LBWs from the straight ball … they were totally outclassed by India.

“They put too much energy into worrying about what the surface was going to do.

“I think a lot of that came about because I think Australia were worried about the wicket. I think they were spooked about what it was going to do.”

 

It was just one of several elements of perceived over-thinking from the Aussies before a ball had even been bowled.

A decision was made before the first Test that no warm-up match would be played in India, with Australia instead opting to recreate an Indian wicket on a North Sydney oval.

They also drafted in a bowler to mimic Ravichandra Ashwin’s bowling action so the Aussie batters could feel comfortable against what he had to offer on his home surface.

Evidently, it did not pay off as Ashwin snared eight wickets across the two innings.

Australian cricket legend Allan Border reiterated the visitors “over-thought this particular tour” and believed the next few days will provide ample time for self-reflection and heal “so many scars.”

So, how does Australia get out of their own heads and get themselves back into this Test series?

According to former Test opener Matthew Hayden, the answer is simple.

 

“That siege mentality has got to stop with some good action, some strong positive mental energy getting put in the right areas,” Hayden said during commentary.

“Having focus on what you can do rather than what you can’t do.”

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Vilander said:

 

So it was taken mid way ? Did any aussie commentary in their tv observe it or validate it ( without bcci over bearing). Man this is so dodgy,anyway with the pace bowling and spin bowling resource this team deserves clean victories. Bcci should sue the jurno that started this conspiracy theory, but it could back fire.

 

Yes read the article on FOX news i have shared above.  This spooked them and i believe it probably influenced their selection as well.

[vvvslaxman]

Aussies very very rarely give excuses like England. So i was surprised at all kind of excuses.. Pitch is doctored, DRS was doctored,   Ball was tampered. But once the match was over they quickly realized they got sucked into this trap and failed to focus on the real contest. Very unprofessional of them. 

[Vilander]

18 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

They also drafted in a bowler to mimic Ravichandra Ashwin’s bowling action so the Aussie batters could feel comfortable against what he had to offer on his home surface

 

That was going to fail, when they let one bowler get into their head so much, India never let a mcgrath or anderson into their head as much ( well they still suffered humiliation thats an other story).

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Vilander said:

 

That was going to fail, when they let one bowler get into their head so much, India never let a mcgrath or anderson into their head as much ( well they still suffered humiliation thats an other story).

 

Preparing for Ashwin is the most useless thing to do because he changes his action

 

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/border-gavaskar-trophy-india-vs-australia-ravichandran-ashwin-ravindra-jadeja-nagpur-test-2333484-2023-02-11

 

Ravichandran Ashwin reveals he changed his bowling action for Border-Gavaskar Trophy

[speedracer]

2 hours ago, zen said:

3rd world can create its own delusionals about what is right or wrong. The white man is automatically assumed to be superior so they have to fight him even by resorting to cheap tactics, which are justified using weird desi logic. 

 

Today, India is a competitive side but look at its mentality where it runs to rank turners at the sight of a SENA team. No amount of window dressing can hide this coward and cheater mentality

 

 

 

 

We don't need rank turners to win. Normal Indian pitches with bounce Carey and moderate turn is more than enough to smash sena teams. 

 

We beat Oz in Oz land. I guess india just want to stick to their strength because our batting is very poor. Can't rely on our bozos to score big.

[speedracer]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

By the time they realized they were conned match was over. Arunchalpradesh team would have batted better there.  Compared to the recent pitches that we played on this has the least amount of turn. Ashwin had the highest turn which intself was very low. Axar hardly had any turn. Jaddu turned when he brought his speed down by 10 km. Otherwise all sltraight balls. But Aussies were playing for imaginary turn.  Amount of leg before and bowled only confirms that.  SG ball + red soil effort. These guys are used to playing on  crappaburra ball.  When India got out for 36 we didn't really go after Australian pitch curators. We took a hard look at ourselves. All the bitching and moaning by Australia happened before the match. But once the match was over they were extermely critical of Australian line up laying no blame on Indian pitch. 

 

Lol yes. Indian pitches, all it needs is bounce carry and a bit of turn. Don't need ultra bounce. Medium bounce like England level plus turn. 

 

Thirumbadha ball ka lam thirumburdhu nenaichi out aayee lol yenna kudumba sarvanaa ithu. Rofl. 

 

[speedracer]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

“What the hell is going on? That is just ridiculous. Don’t go stupid, but Australia play hard nose cricket. We’re even giving someone thumbs up … bloody hell."  - Alan Border

 

One thing i noticed is under Pat cummins Australian side has become a softie side. Bit like how Kohli went like a softie whenever he faced a Kane led NZ side.

Exactly. We play ultra soft vs Kiwis. Not sure why the * we even do that. With kiwis we have to be ruthless and aggressive like siraj did when he ran through them in India. 

 

SA is one that got away. Midget pietersen and *rah not bowling a single bouncer. Siraj injury and bad batting selections compounded the issues and caused the loss which could have easily been avoided.

Edited February 13, 2023 by speedracer

[rollingstoned]

That the Aussies were 'spooked' was quite evident when watching the way Labu and Smith batted on the first day. They made some runs but looked very edgy doing so, tht wouldn't have sent a good msg to the dressing room.

[rangeelaraja]

10 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Preparing for Ashwin is the most useless thing to do because he changes his action

 

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/border-gavaskar-trophy-india-vs-australia-ravichandran-ashwin-ravindra-jadeja-nagpur-test-2333484-2023-02-11

 

Ravichandran Ashwin reveals he changed his bowling action for Border-Gavaskar Trophy

 

Common let’s be honest, there is a bit of gamesmanship to the bowler making such claims. When you bowl 20-30K deliveries with the same action , you develop a muscle memory and If you try to tinker with that - it can totally mess up your line and length. 
 

I did see an approach to his bowling in the 1st test where he is trying to bowl a fuller length. 

[rangeelaraja]

10 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Aussies very very rarely give excuses like England. So i was surprised at all kind of excuses.. Pitch is doctored, DRS was doctored,   Ball was tampered. But once the match was over they quickly realized they got sucked into this trap and failed to focus on the real contest. Very unprofessional of them. 

 

No team has dominated Aussies like India have. They were not used to be being smothered like this especially after coming on a high. 
 

This would be the 4th back to back BG trophy that India would win should we pull it off. 
 

 

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

That the Aussies were 'spooked' was quite evident when watching the way Labu and Smith batted on the first day. They made some runs but looked very edgy doing so, tht wouldn't have sent a good msg to the dressing room.

 

Siraj was unlucky not to get more wickets. He found Labu's edge a lot more. 

[Stan AF]

 

 

[pete752]

The whole furore around the Nagpur pitch is laughable. If we look at the recent series played in India, the pitches in Chennai, Ahmedabad etc. during England's tour were raging turners. In comparison, the Nagpur pitch was actually quite docile.. yes, it was slow and low, but spinners need to know how to take wickets on slow such pitches. The problem is that the Aussie batting unit with the exception of Smith can't play spin to save their lives.

 

The ex-Aussie playing contingent and the Aussie media get outraged whenever the pitches are not to their liking. Watch them whinge and moan before they tour England for the Ashes.

[Vilander]

On 2/13/2023 at 5:25 AM, rangeelaraja said:

 

No team has dominated Aussies like India have. They were not used to be being smothered like this especially after coming on a high. 
 

This would be the 4th back to back BG trophy that India would win should we pull it off. 
 

 

 

Wi of 80s maybe , i dont have the stats but need to check but surely though.

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Vilander said:

 

Wi of 80s maybe , i dont have the stats but need to check but surely though.

 

Actually we also dominated Australia in Australia in 1985.  India had a chanec to whitewash them missed all the opportunities. 

[bsriharsha]

We beat them at the Gabba with a half strength team. 

 

Nuff said 

[vvvslaxman]

6 hours ago, bsriharsha said:

We beat them at the Gabba with a half strength team. 

 

Nuff said 

 

Yup. For heavensake they are supposed to be world no.1 team.