Statistics: Home Matches India ( Jaddu + Ashwin ) vs. Home Matches Australia ( Mcgrath + Warne ) - these guys could go on to be the greatest bowling pair ever in home conditions

[rangeelaraja]

 

It will require some more whitewashes for Ashwin Jaddu to match the absolute numbers of Warne/ Mcgrath. 

 

India's home record when both Ashwin + Jaddu played together.  W/L ratio 30:1  : Won 30/38 games - 78.9 % 

 

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India	2012-2023	38	30	1	0	7	30.000	44.11	3.52	61	759	105	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif

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Australia's  home record when both Mcgrath and Warne played together.  W/L ratio 43:4  ;  Won 43/54  games - 79.6 % 

Mcgrath + Warne  ( although the 4 losses came early in their careers, the last one being 1997. Aus did not lose a single test at home since 1997 when both Mcgrath and Warne played  )

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Team	Span	Mat	Wonhttp://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/blackArrowDown.gif	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
Australia	1993-2007	54	43	4	0	7	10.750	44.04	3.47	96	617	111	http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif

 

 

 

Edited February 20, 2023 by rangeelaraja

[kohli]

Aus (1999-2007) in home 

won 41 lost 2 deaw -7

[rangeelaraja]

1 minute ago, kohli said:

Aus (1999-2007) in home 

won 41 lost 2 deaw -7

 

 

Yeah it will take 2 more home season white washes or near white washes for Ashwin Jaddu to come close to matching the 2 ATGS - Warne/ Mcgrath.

 

Ofcourse, the Aussie team in 1999- 2007 was equally devastating with the bat too.   So Warne/Mcgrath had that bit of advantage.

[R!TTER]

24 minutes ago, kohli said:

Aus (1999-2007) in home 

won 41 lost 2 deaw -7

What's this number?

[kohli]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

What's this number?

Test match number 

total 50 test played during that period 

[kohli]

India didn’t lose a single test match in asia when shami jadeja & ashwin played together.

[speedracer]

2 hours ago, kohli said:

India didn’t lose a single test match in asia when shami jadeja & ashwin played together.

Yes shami is a superstar.

[zen]

Mcgrath & Warne did not bowl on by and large tailored pitches at home. Conditions at Perth, Brisbane, Adelaide, Melbourne, etc, vary to certain degrees relatively speaking.  

 

They also bowled to some of the best batting line ups like SA of that period and to batsmen such as Kallis, Lara, etc.  ... and able to keep more or less the same performance level even outside home. 

 

Edited February 20, 2023 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

15 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

Yeah it will take 2 more home season white washes or near white washes for Ashwin Jaddu to come close to matching the 2 ATGS - Warne/ Mcgrath.

 

Ofcourse, the Aussie team in 1999- 2007 was equally devastating with the bat too.   So Warne/Mcgrath had that bit of advantage.

 

If that Australian had this current line up of Gujara, Lohli, Hahul they would have lost a lot more. They had 7 gun batsmen.

[vvvslaxman]

13 hours ago, kohli said:

India didn’t lose a single test match in asia when shami jadeja & ashwin played together.

 

Ultimate MVP combo. Shami even batted well occasionally. Remember his 106 partnership .

[zen]

Players like Ashwin & Jadeja remind me of sayings like below:

 

[Vijy]

ambrose-walsh and WI pace quartet should also be mentioned. they were fearsome at home too. donald-pollock-fanie could have been another great combo, but I don't think they played much together.

[vvvslaxman]

22 minutes ago, Vijy said:

ambrose-walsh and WI pace quartet should also be mentioned. they were fearsome at home too. donald-pollock-fanie could have been another great combo, but I don't think they played much together.

 

If only Kapil had half decent bowling partner his record would have been different.  He had guys like Ghavri, Dilip Doshi, Madanlal, Binny, Ravi bot, Shivlal yadav and the likes. Nobody was good enough. They never gave chance to Padmatkar shivalkr or Rajinder singh Ghai.

 

https://brokencricketdreams.com/2022/08/10/39-unlucky-indian-cricketers-who-never-played-for-india-in-tests-but-dominated-ranji-trophy-updated-2023/

[rangeelaraja]

4 hours ago, zen said:

Players like Ashwin & Jadeja remind me of sayings like below:

 

 

Your arguments are hollow, you probably enjoy self deprecation ( assuming you consider yourself Indian or partially Indian  )

 

1) Ever heard of home advantage in sports ?

 

2) There are dozens of venues in India, each one has some different characteristics, so what do you mean by tailoring wickets  ?

Are there different wickets for Indian players and the opposition players ? 

 

3) India has been doing this for many decades , even before Ashwin and Jaddu came into the scene.  England & Australia do it to each other in Ashes. 
 

4) Why haven’t visiting teams with all the IPL exposure haven’t been able to crack the code ? It’s simply because our team as a package is more skilled in Asian conditions. 

 

5) Why have the great Murali and Warne been Duds in India that is supposed to favor spinners hugely  ? The same Warne does marvelously in Lanka.
 

6) why do North American tennis stars don’t succeed as much on clay court and seldom win the French open ? Why were 2 legends of the game Federer and Sampras ( never won the French ) , so lopsided in their performance on clay vs. Grass and Hard courts ?

 

7) The subcontinent dominated field hockey with India winning 8 Olympic Gold medals dominating for several decades until IHF decided to move away from natural turf where India was near invincible to synthetic astroturf, that favored the European / Australian style of play. Would you say they tailored playing conditions permanently to disadvantage India ? 

 

https://www.indiatimes.com/amp/sports/this-is-how-astroturf-led-to-the-death-of-india-as-a-hockey-super-power-351020.html

 

 

Edited February 21, 2023 by rangeelaraja

[Vilander]

20 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

Yeah it will take 2 more home season white washes or near white washes for Ashwin Jaddu to come close to matching the 2 ATGS - Warne/ Mcgrath.

 

Ofcourse, the Aussie team in 1999- 2007 was equally devastating with the bat too.   So Warne/Mcgrath had that bit of advantage.

 

Warne Mcgrath had their atg batting lineup so were that dominant. Ash Jadhu have pujara kohli rahul and other muppets , so what they do ? they fookin do the batting themselves.. badass man.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Vilander

[zen]

32 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

 

Will give you one response since you took some time to type that out:

 

 

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Your arguments are hollow, you probably enjoy self deprecation ( assuming you consider yourself Indian or partially Indian  )

 

None of you business but I prefer to be sporting in sports  (I like to focus on my teams first). 

 

I think extreme turners have no place in cricket (If teams have to resorts to such, there is no point in them playing cricket)

 

 

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1) Ever heard of home advantage in sports ?

 

Yes, to a certain degree as long as it is not designed to handicap the other team and fall into the domain of blatant cheating/fraud. 

 

 

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2) There are dozens of venues in India, each one has some different characteristics, so what do you mean by tailoring wickets  ?

Are there different wickets for Indian players and the opposition players ? 

 

 

Turnering pitches to various degrees created to create an unfair advantage/to cheat. 

 

 

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3) India has been doing this for many decades , even before Ashwin and Jaddu came into the scene.  England & Australia do it to each other in Ashes. 

 

Probably since the game versus SL in 1990. Not to this degree though esp. when you throw in some series in the 2000s. 

 

India is playing cricket since 1930s, while we are only seeing over reliance on extremely turnering pitches in India off late. 

 

 

 

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4) Why haven’t visiting teams with all the IPL exposure haven’t been able to crack the code ? It’s simply because our team as a package is more skilled in Asian conditions. 

 

Because IPL (and LOIs in general) is not played on turning tracks (there can be some exceptions). 

 

 

 

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5) Why have the great Murali and Warne been Duds in India that is supposed to favor spinners hugely  ? The same Warne does marvelously in Lanka.

 

Because 1) they are spinners not rank turner specialists (Michael Clarke become one in one of the games), and b) they bowl to Indian batsmen in India, which usually plays spin well on such tracks in India ... During Warne-Murali's time though, not every track was an extreme turner. 

 

 

 

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6) why do North American tennis stars don’t succeed as much on clay court and seldom win the French open ? Why were 2 legends of the game Federer and Sampras ( never won the French ) , so lopsided in their performance on clay vs. Grass and Hard courts ?

 

Irrelevant to the topic. Cricket is a team sport played among with a handful of top countries. 

 

Such tracks are usually only found in India, among major teams, which makes performances on those almost irrelevant. BD and SL may have such conditions but those are countries with a limited talent pool centered around Dhaka & Colombo respectively. 

 

 

 

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7) The subcontinent dominated field hockey with India winning 8 Olympic Gold medals dominating for several decades until IHF decided to move away from natural turf where India was near invincible to synthetic astroturf, that favored the European / Australian style of play. Would you say they tailored playing conditions permanently to disadvantage India ? 

 

Unrelated as conditions were standardized ... Having tailored pitches when most of the countries don't play such is going out of the way to create an unfair advantage, which also hurts India as it is not able to play well and develop well rounded cricket.

 

 

These are basics. 

 

Edited February 21, 2023 by zen

[rangeelaraja]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Will give you one response since you took some time to type that out:

 

 

 

None of you business but I prefer sporting sports (I like to focus on my teams first). 

 

 

yes, to a certain degree as long as it is not designed to handicap the other team and fall into the domain of blatant cheating/fraud

 

 

 

Turnering pitches to various degrees 

 

 

 

Probably since the game versus SL in 1990. Not to this degree though. 

 

 

 

Because IPL (and LOIs in general) is not played on turning tracks (there can be some exceptions). 

 

 

 

Because 1) they are spinners not rank turner specialists, and b) they bowl to Indian batsmen in India, which usually plays spin well on such tracks in India ... During Warne-Murali's time though, not every track was an extreme turner

 

 

 

Irrelevant to the topic. Cricket is a team sport. 

 

 

 

 

Unrelated as conditions were standardized ... Having tailored pitches when most of the countries don't play there is going out of the way to create an advantage. 

 

 

As you can see, there is no real merit anywhere in your points but you still you wasted time on it thinking you have some argument. 

 

 

Usual hollow arguments. What the hell is rank turner specialists ? You are talking as if a bowler becomes a rank turning specialist as soon as he starts playing tests for India. 
 

Why wouldn’t the 2 greatest spin bowlers of all time succeed on pitches that turn a lot ? Are you saying Lanka does not tailor to disadvantage visiting teams like Aus and Eng ? Why does Warne succeed in Lanka but not India ? 
 

You are clearly the kind who would make the argument only to have the last word and feel good about it, so go ahead and make your hollow reasoning. You utterly lack logic and the humility to concede when you are wrong.

[vvvslaxman]

28 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

Usual hollow arguments. What the hell is rank turner specialists ? You are talking as if a bowler becomes a rank turning specialist as soon as he starts playing tests for India. 
 

Why wouldn’t the 2 greatest spin bowlers of all time succeed on pitches that turn a lot ? Are you saying Lanka does not tailor to disadvantage visiting teams like Aus and Eng ? Why does Warne succeed in Lanka but not India ? 
 

You are clearly the kind who would make the argument only to have the last word and feel good about it, so go ahead and make your hollow reasoning. You utterly lack logic and the humility to concede when you are wrong.

 

This is what happens when someone doesn't know the meaning of rank turner. 5 wickets were clean bowled. Absolutely straight balls hahaha.

 

 

[speedracer]

7 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

Usual hollow arguments. What the hell is rank turner specialists ? You are talking as if a bowler becomes a rank turning specialist as soon as he starts playing tests for India. 
 

Why wouldn’t the 2 greatest spin bowlers of all time succeed on pitches that turn a lot ? Are you saying Lanka does not tailor to disadvantage visiting teams like Aus and Eng ? Why does Warne succeed in Lanka but not India ? 
 

You are clearly the kind who would make the argument only to have the last word and feel good about it, so go ahead and make your hollow reasoning. You utterly lack logic and the humility to concede when you are wrong.

Simple. They bowled to better batsman of spin. That's what pandu will say.

[rangeelaraja]

18 hours ago, speedracer said:

Simple. They bowled to better batsman of spin. That's what pandu will say.

It is an idiotic comment to keep calling it 

“cheating “ / “ blatant cheating “ . He keeps blabbering the same rubbish everywhere. 
 

Does the pitch decide - hey I will make Indian bowlers more lethal and I will take a different character for visitor bowlers ?  
 

Once the pitch is curated  - it is same for both the teams.