'How long can you ignore Prithvi Shaw, Shubman Gill's legitimate claims?': Ex-India manager Sunil Subramaniam

[sarcastic]

1 hour ago, DeepSpace said:

Gill and Shaw not playing is proof of Indian nepotism. Has been there since age immemorial and always will be. While players like Fatit, Chokohli, Gujji and Kela rule the roost. 

Not sure why you are bringing Rohit Sharma into this when he is the only batsman in test team playing on merit.

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

gill not playing is the bigger travesty. in tests, sarfaraz has a much stronger case than shaw.

 

The threshold for failure varies from player to player. Their superstardom status determines it.  Rahane was milking big time using his initial overseas performances. Pujara gets dropped only to come back after bashing some B grade teams. Many players were not given enough rope. But some got more than they deserved. This threshold is controlled by sponsors, brands that promot these players.  Gautam Gambhir usually straight shooter has a dishonest take on KL Rahul. Deep down he knows Rahul needs a break. But being a mentor of LSG he is in a position to lie blatantly about his performance. 

[Sandz]

In answer to OP it’s 3 years 

[Sandz]

On a serious note Gill could have already cemented his spot if he was consistent, other than the Gabba innings he hasn’t done much and I blame IPL for that as he was/is focused on his IPL career while his test form suffered.

 

And if he fails again I’m afraid KLPD will be back.

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, Sandz said:

On a serious note Gill could have already cemented his spot if he was consistent, other than the Gabba innings he hasn’t done much and I blame IPL for that as he was/is focused on his IPL career while his test form suffered.

 

And if he fails again I’m afraid KLPD will be back.

 

I think he has come of age. So we need to have a fresh look at him. Either way he is our long term investment. Worthy one. Only thing that will stop him is himself.

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, Sandz said:

In answer to OP it’s 3 years 

more like 7 years (gill - 2 years; shaw - never)

[DeepSpace]

22 hours ago, sarcastic said:

Not sure why you are bringing Rohit Sharma into this when he is the only batsman in test team playing on merit.

His Fatness time is limited. The phucker is about to explode any moment.

[Sandz]

On 2/26/2023 at 6:27 PM, Sandz said:

On a serious note Gill could have already cemented his spot if he was consistent, other than the Gabba innings he hasn’t done much and I blame IPL for that as he was/is focused on his IPL career while his test form suffered.

 

And if he fails again I’m afraid KLPD will be back.

 

On 2/26/2023 at 6:36 PM, vvvslaxman said:

 

I think he has come of age. So we need to have a fresh look at him. Either way he is our long term investment. Worthy one. Only thing that will stop him is himself.

 

Gill yet again wasting his chances, two more failures and KLPD will be back ! 

[wanted_desi]

Long time: Pujara isn't going anywhere after that 59 LOL.

 

No one has questioned Kohli as of yet for selectors to be in pressure. 

 

I can only see his end after SA when we lose badly. 

[Lord]

we can already see threads about his majestic 59 that took match to 3rd day

[Vijy]

On 3/3/2023 at 7:53 AM, wanted_desi said:

Long time: Pujara isn't going anywhere after that 59 LOL.

 

No one has questioned Kohli as of yet for selectors to be in pressure. 

 

I can only see his end after SA when we lose badly. 

neither will be booted out anytime soon

[tapandrun]

Overhauling should have started after poor show in WC-2021 in white ball and TWC last year.

 

No one is going to make those calls, BCCI did nt had guts to drop/not select Dhoni in T20 and ODis (his last 3/4 years).

 

Player like Rahul and Rahane have been given longer ropes and made the vice-captains. Ind has not been able to find a Opening pair after Sehwag and Gambhir.

The only good thing happened in last 10 years span is rise of Ind fast bowling, which is also aging and there are no good succession plans and short and slower bowlers are being picked even.

Bowlers like Sen are side lined and Mukesh and Mavi are preferred over him.

 

 

Ind has to bring 30 years old batters in t20 (nt particularly against selecting 30 years old) because Ind younger batters have not come to terms with modern day batting.

They are in limbo no proper t20/Odi batter no proper test batter is present in the domestic cricket.

 

Fielding is other problem area, there are no exceptional fielder as well.

 

 

 

Edited March 5, 2023 by tapandrun

[SRT100]

On 2/26/2023 at 2:09 PM, vvvslaxman said:

 

The threshold for failure varies from player to player. Their superstardom status determines it.  Rahane was milking big time using his initial overseas performances. Pujara gets dropped only to come back after bashing some B grade teams. Many players were not given enough rope. But some got more than they deserved. This threshold is controlled by sponsors, brands that promot these players.  Gautam Gambhir usually straight shooter has a dishonest take on KL Rahul. Deep down he knows Rahul needs a break. But being a mentor of LSG he is in a position to lie blatantly about his performance. 

 

How come no one in India calls them out for this bullshit????

 

Youre 100% correct, there is different thresholds for player failures.

 

KL was failing for months on end. You need to have healthy competition for spots.

 

If players cant handle the pressure they should be kicked out. This is the reason why India fails in WC tournaments all the time for years now.

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, SRT100 said:

 

How come no one in India calls them out for this bullshit????

 

Youre 100% correct, there is different thresholds for player failures.

 

KL was failing for months on end. You need to have healthy competition for spots.

 

If players cant handle the pressure they should be kicked out. This is the reason why India fails in WC tournaments all the time for years now.

India does not care about winning WC. it just cares about IPL

[SRT100]

50 minutes ago, Vijy said:

India does not care about winning WC. it just cares about IPL

Ive noticed that a lot in the commentary too, there seems to be this obsession with it.

 

The only time I pay interest is if an Indian bowls or bats well, then I will try and watch the highlights of that performance, otherwise I couldnt care less.

While it has many positives, there are also many negatives that come with the IPL.

 

An interesting poll would be on here, would you want your IPL team to win tournament or India win a WC?

[Vijy]

8 hours ago, SRT100 said:

Ive noticed that a lot in the commentary too, there seems to be this obsession with it.

 

The only time I pay interest is if an Indian bowls or bats well, then I will try and watch the highlights of that performance, otherwise I couldnt care less.

While it has many positives, there are also many negatives that come with the IPL.

 

An interesting poll would be on here, would you want your IPL team to win tournament or India win a WC?

most people will want only IPL win. they don't really care about WCs.... I am not referring to ICF,  but the typical Joes and Janes