ICC Gave 3 Demerit Point to Indore's Poor Pitch :

[vishalvirsingh]

On 3/3/2023 at 8:05 PM, vvvslaxman said:

Should never host another match.

 I agree.

 

Actually the way BCCI is behaving - giving Spin super friendly wickets in India and making it a DULL game. i was busy in office and i did not see one ball of this Indore match and i am not feeling as I missed some thing- because it was a super friendly SPIN track . 

 

if i had gone and tried out bowling Off spin , probably i would have got one or 2 wickets as well.

 

above statement itself says that the pitches BCCI have put in this series are not ethical for sure.......

[Gollum]

One of the worst pitches I have ever seen. When I saw the ball that got Rohit out in 6th over of day 1, with a puff of dust exploding, lost interest in the match. Even before that dismissal a couple of 140 kph balls of Starc rolled along the ground, wtf was that pitch?

 

Having said that I still see hypocrisy in ICC ranks, the atrocious Gabba pitch recently (Aus vs RSA) which lasted 4.5 sessions didn't get 'poor' rating. In fact there was physical danger on that pitch. It got rated 'below average'. In fact byes+wides was top scorer in Aus 4th innings chase, pitch was so crazy that Nortje and Rabada's good length balls were going for one bounce 4 byes, even Great Khali as keeper had no chance of getting gloves on them!!!!

[rkt.india]

On 3/3/2023 at 8:20 PM, Strangering said:

Maybe - just maybe - the art of batting against spin on rank turners is lost. I bet in the 90s this pitch would induce a dull 2.5RR 5-day nail biter 

What? 2004 Mumbai test ended on two days on a similar pitch. 

[rollingstoned]

Taking 20 wickets is not easy: India preparing turning pitches due to absence of Bumrah, feels Sunil Gavaskar

India vs Australia: Hosts India prepared rank turners due to the lack of Jasprit Bumrah feels the legendary Sunil Gavaskar. The former India captain explains the reasons behind India's decisions.

 

India will not be able to take 20 wickets without producing turning tracks, feels Gavaskar. (AP Photo)

 

Legendary Indian batter Sunil Gavaskar has said that India are making turning pitches so that their bowlers will be able to take 20 wickets in a test match. Speaking to India Today, Gavaskar said that India might have made more sporting wickets if Jasprit Bumrah was available to lead the Indian bowling attack.

 

India lost the third Test match of the Border-Gavaskar Trophy at Indore by 9 wickets on a pitch that turned square from the morning session of Day 1. India were bundled out for 109 runs in the first innings at the Holkar Stadium and played catch up ever since. The hosts posted a target of 76 runs in the final innings, which Australia were able to chase down with ease, courtesy of Travis Head's 49*.

 

"Taking 20 wickets is not going to be easy in India. On a lot of Indian pitches, without your ace bowlers Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Shami and a slightly inexperienced Mohammed Siraj, I don't think that bowling attack is such (strong). But with a little bit of help from a dry pitch, India can probably take 20 wickets. I think that is the thinking behind preparing such pitches," Gavaskar said on India Today.

 

The former India captain said that the hosts did not have option but to play to their bowling strength so that they could qualify for the World Test Championship Final.

 

"For India to reach the World Test Championship Final, they did not have any other options (than producing turning tracks). If you would have had a strong attack, maybe you could have done something different but your strength is your spinners and therefore I think these pitches are being made. You do not want a flat pitch where the batters go out and dominate. These pitches are testing the temperament of the batters," Gavaskar explained.

 

Asked about who was the best batter of spin he had ever seen, Gavaskar named VVS Laxman and pointed at his iconic innings at Eden Gardens in Kolkata.

"VVS Laxman is the best player of spin I have ever seen. VVS in Eden 2001, and Mumbai 2004/05 showed spin batting of highest quality," the legendary player concluded.

 

[R!TTER]

That's simply wrong, India beat Oz & Eng on flatter surfaces in the past. In fact prior to the 2017 Oz series we had lots of flat surfaces with few turners in between, besides Bumrah has never been a factor in India! He played just one test vs Eng in India & did * all, the rest he played against minnows. Not sure why some, including many on this forum, rate Bumrah so highly when he's dome nothing to justify that billing in India. Sure away from home he might be our trump card but in India Umesh/Shami have been winning us games for over a decade now 

Edited March 6, 2023 by R!TTER

[rollingstoned]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

That's simply wrong, India beat Oz & Eng on flatter surfaces in the past. In fact prior to the 2017 Oz series we had lots of flat surfaces with few turners in between, besides Bumrah has never been a factor in India! He played just one test vs Eng in India & did * all, the rest he played against minnows. Not sure why some, including many on this forum, rate Bumrah so highly when he's dome nothing to justify that billing in India. Sure away from home he might be our trump card but in India Umesh/Shami have been winning us games for over a decade now 

Agreed, Bumrah is not much of a factor at home. But this pitch talk got worse off the top of my head after that 2015 Saf series where 2 pitches ie Mohali and Nagpur imo could have been better. I want to go back and see how many other pitches we had in tests which were famously treacherous like the ones in this series. My abiding memory is generally that of slow turners or flat pitches where lot of runs were scored.

[R!TTER]

6 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Agreed, Bumrah is not much of a factor at home. But this pitch talk got worse off the top of my head after that 2015 Saf series where 2 pitches ie Mohali and Nagpur imo could have been better. I want to go back and see how many other pitches we had in tests which were famously treacherous like the ones in this series. My abiding memory is generally that of slow turners or flat pitches where lot of runs were scored.

Yes but even back then we had 2 flatties at Bangalore & Delhi. This actually goes back to 2012 Eng series, we won on a really flat surface at Motera then for some reason MS decided to juice up the Mumbai track & that back fired spectacularly! It had early moisture & Eng spinners exploited it massively, was tacky early on & got much better to bat on days 2-3, he  tried the same antics against Oz but they didn't have the quality to win against us. So the origin story you could argue dates back to MS & BRat has followed in his footsteps, then RGS as well 

[sage]

 

[tapandrun]

On 3/4/2023 at 11:08 AM, Vijy said:

demerit points should be replaced by deductions from WTC points. that will reduce doctoring the world over, especially BCCI and NZ

Good Suggestion but will effect the teams who are still in the race for the Finals, most of the teams do not take this WTC so seriously already.

Only Ind is hyping test due to broadcasters.

[zen]

ICC should move away from terms such average, below average, etc. Average and below average are only different degrees/variants of poor. 
 

If the pitch is not good, it is simply bad! 

Edited March 8, 2023 by zen

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Good Suggestion but will effect the teams who are still in the race for the Finals, most of the teams do not take this WTC so seriously already.

Only Ind is hyping test due to broadcasters.

it doesn't matter if they take it seriously or not - the important point is that at least some teams will rethink their pitch doctoring