rkt.india Posted May 5, 2023 Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, deepdynamo said: 48/70 games completed. Each team has played around 9/10 games so far. Here is my updated list of fast bowlers in India that has been given at least one game in IPL 2023 (except for the ruled out bowlers like Bumrah & Prasidh) Let me know if any bowler is missing. Top Tier Fast bowlersM Siraj M Shami J Bumrah ( injured) H Pandya ( can bat) High Potential Fast bowlers Prasidh ( injured) Mohsin Khan Kuldeep Sen Umran Malik High potential but untested Kartik Tyagi Yudhvir Singh Harshit Rana Talented Trundlers Arshdeep Singh Shardul Thakur ( can bat) Deepak Chahar (can bat) T Natrajan Oldies but still relevant somewhat Umesh Yadav Bhuvi Kumar Sandeep Sharma Mohit Sharma Ishant Sharma Washed out but still persisted somehow J Unadkat ( injured) Avesh Khan Harshal Patel Khaleel Ahmed Navdeep Saini Rookies ( but not impressive) Tushar Deshpande (CSK) R Hangrakerkar (CSK) Akash Singh (CSK) Mukesh Kumar (DC) Chetan Sakariya (DC) Yash Dayal (GT) K Khejroliya (KKR) Vaibhav Arora (KKR) Yash Thakur (LSG) Arshad Khan (MI) Arjun Tendulkar (MI) Akash Madhwal (MI) Gurnoor Brar (PK) KM Asif ( RR) Kuldip Yadav (RR) Akashdeep (RCB) V Vyshak(RCB) Gurnoor Brar should be included in high potential but not tested. Arshad Khan and Hangargekar too have potential. Khaleel is also not washed out. He is one of the best Indian pacer in IPL. 53 wickets in 38 games at 23. ER 8.5. he is a sure starter in his team when fit. Edited May 5, 2023 by rkt.india
deepdynamo Posted May 6, 2023 Author Posted May 6, 2023 22 hours ago, rkt.india said: Gurnoor Brar should be included in high potential but not tested. Arshad Khan and Hangargekar too have potential. Khaleel is also not washed out. He is one of the best Indian pacer in IPL. 53 wickets in 38 games at 23. ER 8.5. he is a sure starter in his team when fit. Gurnoor Brar needs to get opportunity and atleast impress in a game or two to come in " High Potential and not tested". Arshad Khan and Hangergekar did get few opportunity but for me they weren't been able to break the ceiling yet. ( in comparison Harshit Rana looked the part rightaway) Khaleel ia the curious case. He has the golden opportunity few years back at age 22, played decent amount of white ball for India and blew it away. Now an IPL mercenary ( as he hardly play domestic), he is a case of washed out for me as he has no intention to break back into Indian team contention and happy millking IPL. I see him.no differnwt that Harshal, Avesh or Unadkat. Adequate at IPL level ( just because of 10 IPL teams) but their time has gone. singhvivek141 1
singhvivek141 Posted May 6, 2023 Posted May 6, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, rkt.india said: Gurnoor Brar should be included in high potential but not tested. Arshad Khan and Hangargekar too have potential. Khaleel is also not washed out. He is one of the best Indian pacer in IPL. 53 wickets in 38 games at 23. ER 8.5. he is a sure starter in his team when fit. Khaleel is Munaf Patel version 2.0, has the ability to bowl fast, but with poor attitude they choose to remain mediocre and trundle instead. Plus is handicapped in batting and fielding. Him and Sandeep Sharma are good for IPL only, anything above that is a disaster. Edited May 6, 2023 by singhvivek141 deepdynamo 1
singhvivek141 Posted May 6, 2023 Posted May 6, 2023 35 minutes ago, deepdynamo said: Gurnoor Brar needs to get opportunity and atleast impress in a game or two to come in " High Potential and not tested". Arshad Khan and Hangergekar did get few opportunity but for me they weren't been able to break the ceiling yet. ( in comparison Harshit Rana looked the part rightaway) Hangargekar has gotten a raw deal, he bowled well in limited games, is a good fielder and a useful slogger with the bat. Arshad seems okaish for now. Hasn't shown any peculiar skill for far which separates him from the crowd. He can't swing the ball the way Mukesh Choudhary does, nor gets the bounce like Mohsin. He is just there...that's it. Gurnoor is untested with bowl, but even he has big hitting ability which is a useful utility. Don't know why bjt he kinda reminds me of Manpreet Gony. deepdynamo 1
Jay Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 14 hours ago, deepdynamo said: Gurnoor Brar needs to get opportunity and atleast impress in a game or two to come in " High Potential and not tested". Arshad Khan and Hangergekar did get few opportunity but for me they weren't been able to break the ceiling yet. ( in comparison Harshit Rana looked the part rightaway) Khaleel ia the curious case. He has the golden opportunity few years back at age 22, played decent amount of white ball for India and blew it away. Now an IPL mercenary ( as he hardly play domestic), he is a case of washed out for me as he has no intention to break back into Indian team contention and happy millking IPL. I see him.no differnwt that Harshal, Avesh or Unadkat. Adequate at IPL level ( just because of 10 IPL teams) but their time has gone. This is my concern. Imo if you don't do well in ranji and India a tours then you shouldn't be allowed to play in IPL. There has to be a performance bonus incentives in place to ensure the youngins don't become mercenaries for t20 leagues. deepdynamo 1
Chakdephatte Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 27 minutes ago, Jay said: There has to be a performance bonus incentives in place to ensure the youngins don't become mercenaries for t20 leagues. They have the right over their careers.
Jay Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Chakdephatte said: They have the right over their careers. Not saying they don't but Ideally we should also aim to give bonuses to A tour performances and ranji comps to keep them engaged in test cricket as its the pinnacle of the sport. Or just cancel odis. We don't need odis anymoee. T20 and tests are more than sufficient.
rkt.india Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Jay said: This is my concern. Imo if you don't do well in ranji and India a tours then you shouldn't be allowed to play in IPL. There has to be a performance bonus incentives in place to ensure the youngins don't become mercenaries for t20 leagues. There is nothing wrong in players prioritising their careers. We have umpteen cricketers. Canvas expansion is required so that as many as possible could play. Pool will become bigger. More possibility of getting better players.
Jay Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 39 minutes ago, rkt.india said: There is nothing wrong in players prioritising their careers. We have umpteen cricketers. Canvas expansion is required so that as many as possible could play. Pool will become bigger. More possibility of getting better players. Yes that's fine but cancel odi. No one cares for it anymore. Just play tests and t20. T20 world cup is happening every 2 years anyway. It's just way too many games and top players get fatigued due to excess work load.
rkt.india Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Jay said: Yes that's fine but cancel odi. No one cares for it anymore. Just play tests and t20. T20 world cup is happening every 2 years anyway. It's just way too many games and top players get fatigued due to excess work load. ODIs are the best format to groom young players. T20 is a cruel format Suhaan 1
vvvslaxman Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 Sandeep sharma, Mohit sharma, Ishant sharma, Vyshak, Harshal patel.. wow what a great future ahead for us
Lone Wolf Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 Man I wish we host IPL in South Africa next time during the elections. These pitches are global disgrace. Who would want to be a fast bowler here? express bowling and Mosher 2
express bowling Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 7 hours ago, rkt.india said: ODIs are the best format to groom young players. T20 is a cruel format Agree. Mosher and Suhaan 2
Suhaan Posted May 7, 2023 Posted May 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Man I wish we host IPL in South Africa next time during the elections. These pitches are global disgrace. Who would want to be a fast bowler here? 2019 ,IPL was held in India itself express bowling and Lone Wolf 1 1
deepdynamo Posted May 8, 2023 Author Posted May 8, 2023 Don't think we will see any new fast bowlers in the fag end of IPL anymore. Trundlers will keep getting extended opportunities ( even though they have lost numerous matches this season). High pace bowlers will mostly be benched in favor of safe and slow bowlers. Sen, Umran, Tyagi & Yudhvir unlikely to get games now. Only positive is that we will see Harshit Rana getting next 4-5 games and see if he can be consistent.
singhvivek141 Posted May 8, 2023 Posted May 8, 2023 3 hours ago, deepdynamo said: Don't think we will see any new fast bowlers in the fag end of IPL anymore. Trundlers will keep getting extended opportunities ( even though they have lost numerous matches this season). High pace bowlers will mostly be benched in favor of safe and slow bowlers. Sen, Umran, Tyagi & Yudhvir unlikely to get games now. Only positive is that we will see Harshit Rana getting next 4-5 games and see if he can be consistent. One solace I have is that this IPL has been equally poor for trundlers as well, they are equally exposed this season despite being favoured heavily by the IPL captains. The star performers in this season (so far) were mostly Indian young batters who leapfrogged the seasoned Indian and Overseas batters in terms of impact. Ruturaj, Jaiswal, Jurel, Tilak etc have exposed the Indian stat padders who think for personal milestones first. It may not have an immediate impact, bit it will force them to come out of the comfort zone because some people will question their intent. Mosher, deepdynamo, tapandrun and 1 other 4
Jay Posted May 8, 2023 Posted May 8, 2023 4 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: One solace I have is that this IPL has been equally poor for trundlers as well, they are equally exposed this season despite being favoured heavily by the IPL captains. The star performers in this season (so far) were mostly Indian young batters who leapfrogged the seasoned Indian and Overseas batters in terms of impact. Ruturaj, Jaiswal, Jurel, Tilak etc have exposed the Indian stat padders who think for personal milestones first. It may not have an immediate impact, bit it will force them to come out of the comfort zone because some people will question their intent. What's the logic behind selecting trundlers? I am ok with us selecting tall bowlers who have bounce and trundle as they can still be very useful. But why pick short trundlers. Why? I don't understand. It's not like short trundlers are lighting up ranji?? They clearly know pace and bouncy bowlers do the damage in sena. In Asia it's not much different. They surely know bowling 125-130 pace vs local ranji boys vs int batsmen is a whole another ball game. Mukesh Kumar might have a stunning ranji record but it is the tall bouncy kuldeep sen that will hurt the foreigners even on Indian pitches. We all know this. Yet we choose trundlers. deepdynamo and singhvivek141 2
deepdynamo Posted May 9, 2023 Author Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 56/70 games completed. Updated list of fast bowlers that has been given at least one game in IPL 2023 (except for the ruled out bowlers like Bumrah & Prasidh)No. of games is designated in bracket. Top Tier Fast bowlersM Siraj (11) M Shami (11) J Bumrah (0) H Pandya (10) High Potential Fast bowlers Prasidh (0) Mohsin Khan (2) Kuldeep Sen (2) Umran Malik (7) High potential but untested Kartik Tyagi (1) Yudhvir Singh(2) Harshit Rana (4) Talented Trundlers Arshdeep Singh (11) Shardul Thakur (9) Deepak Chahar (6) T Natrajan (9) Oldies but still relevant somewhat Umesh Yadav (8) Bhuvi Kumar (10) Sandeep Sharma (10) Mohit Sharma (8) Ishant Sharma(6) Washed out but still persisted somehow J Unadkat (3) Avesh Khan (8) Harshal Patel (11) Khaleel Ahmed (6) Navdeep Saini (1) Rookies ( but not impressive) Tushar Deshpande (12) R Hangrakerkar (2) Akash Singh (6) Mukesh Kumar (8) Chetan Sakariya (1) Yash Dayal (3) K Khejroliya (2) Vaibhav Arora (3) Yash Thakur (5) Arshad Khan (6) Arjun Tendulkar (4) Akash Madhwal (3) Gurnoor Brar (1) KM Asif (3) Kuldip Yadav (2) Akashdeep (2) V Vyshak (6) Edited May 12, 2023 by deepdynamo Chakdephatte 1
singhvivek141 Posted May 9, 2023 Posted May 9, 2023 5 hours ago, deepdynamo said: High Potential Fast bowlers Prasidh (0) Mohsin Khan (2) Kuldeep Sen (2) Umran Malik (7) High potential but untested Kartik Tyagi (1) Yudhvir Singh(2) Harshit Rana (3) Harshit I will move to above category now, he has shown enough skills in the 3 games he played with the new ball. In death overs, he is a WIP...but nothing illustrates why he can't improve. Yudhvir bowled exceptionally well in his first game, couple of bad overs and he is totally neglected. LSG should give him another chance as he can contribute with bat as well. Mohsin's injury is going to impact him this season, I don't see repeat of last year's performance based on whatever little I saw, hope I am proven wrong. deepdynamo 1
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