Why franchises value junior level performers over domestic performers

[Chakdephatte]

It is clear that domestic players get 4-5 chances at best to prove themselves. Guys who performed in junior level recently are handed debuts early and sometimes backed despite struggling. And this happens when teams know they won't be able to retain them after mega auction (3 years). Average age at debut for domestic players must be over 27. 

 

Anuj Rawat may get better with time, but how come he finds a place over hundreds of hardworking domestic players. 

 

We will be able to find more players like Rinku, Gaekwad, Tripathi if we scout deep and not rely too much on expecting unready players to deliver soon. (Exceptions apply) In fact, two of our best finds of last decade were picked by MI for 10 lacs each. Examples follow in next post.

 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Chakdephatte

[Chakdephatte]

• Iyer (U-19) played over 100 games with a strike rate of 125. Jitesh, same age, made his debut last year.

 

• Rinku played as specialist fielder for some years. Got regular chances only last year.

 

• Ruturaj was dropped after 3 matches. Patidar, ditto. Jagdeeshan too.

 

• Mandeep, Unadkut, and Hooda always found some franchise despite being useless. They were U-19 guys.

Edited April 15, 2023 by Chakdephatte

[the don]

Subcontinent has weird fascination with u19 cricket. This includes Bangladesh and Pakistan. The reality is u19 is a very poor standard of cricket and half those guys struggle to become even decent first class cricketers. 

[SecondSlip]

@Chakdephatte

 

DC brought in some u19 kid Abishek Porel as Pant’s replacement. 
 

He has look extremely out of depth in the games he has played! 

[putrevus]

It is all about finding that next great talent. A talented youngster is always better than a seasoned grinder.

[Need4Speed]

perhaps they think they have a higher ceiling than a seasoned grinder

[Chakdephatte]

34 minutes ago, putrevus said:

It is all about finding that next great talent. A talented youngster is always better than a seasoned grinder.

 

Problem is not picking them. Problem is not backing domestic performers the same way.

Are Bumrah, Pandya, Gaekwad, Ashwin not great talents?

Edited April 15, 2023 by Chakdephatte

[rkt.india]

There is hardly any current domestic cricketer who hasn't played u19 at some point in his career. U16-u19 are the building blocks. Some succeeds, some don't. Rinku, jitesh all played u19 at some point growing up. 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

Problem is not picking them. Problem is not backing domestic performers the same way.

Are Bumrah, Pandya, Gaekwad, Ashwin not great talents?

Bumrah, pandya, gaekwad, Ashwin all four are u19 products. Bumrah was picked straight out of Gujarat u19 by MI. 

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

Problem is not picking them. Problem is not backing domestic performers the same way.

Are Bumrah, Pandya, Gaekwad, Ashwin not great talents?

If Ashwin was not backed in IPL, he would not have made it to Indian team. Bumrah was also backed by MI.Gaekwad is getting constant run in IPL , what else do you needed.

 

if backing a run of mill player like Harpreet Singh Bhatia or a youngster, teams would back a youngster.

Edited April 15, 2023 by putrevus

[rkt.india]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

If Ashwin was not backed in IPL, he would not have made it to Indian team. Bumrah was also backed by MI.Gaekwad is getting constant run in IPL , what else do you needed.

 

if backing a run of mill player like Harpreet Singh Bhatia or a youngster, teams would back a youngster.

Bhatia also came from u19. He played 2010 u19 wc for India.

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Bhatia also came from u19. He played 2010 u19 wc for India.

Not everyone from under 19 makes it. Bhatia played few matches in 2010  but could not make it big so now it will be struggle for him to make it over new young players.

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, the don said:

Subcontinent has weird fascination with u19 cricket. This includes Bangladesh and Pakistan. The reality is u19 is a very poor standard of cricket and half those guys struggle to become even decent first class cricketers. 

 

Travis Head, Harry Brook, Jo Root, Steve Smith, Kane Williamson, Dhawan, Yuvraj, Rohit, Pant  they are all under-19 products. India won under-19 in 2018. India had 3 main bowlers Ishan porel/Mavi/Nagarkoti. But the guy who surged ahead of them was Arshdeep from the same batch. You never know who will do better in international. 

[Chakdephatte]

57 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah, pandya, gaekwad, Ashwin all four are u19 products. Bumrah was picked straight out of Gujarat u19 by MI. 

 

I thought it's obvious that I am talking about picking two three popular names from U19 world cup. Not some local U19 tournament.

 

Agree to the general sentiment though that they came through the same system.

Edited April 15, 2023 by Chakdephatte

[tapandrun]

Younger Ind batters lacks power and innovation, there is no younger player who is able to crack t20 game. And to top it off they also lack intent.

Thats why Ind has to re-cycle player like Karthik. Player like SKY and Jitesh making Ind debut in late 20s or early 30s in T20i is an example of this, earlier at this age they would never make it to Ind team.

 

Sky and Player like Jitesh knows the only way they have a shot at Ind selection is by T20, so they have mold their game that way and  able to get into Ind team.

 

In IPL even uncapped overseas players find it difficult to make a place in 11 and if selected make a positive mark- Only Marsh was able to do it.

Mayers- WI intnl had to wait for a season to make in into playing 11.

 

Scouting for a batter it very difficult, you will need to track a batter for year or more check if they are capable of playing at IPL level and do not have any obvious flaw.

Hence making scouting difficult , for bowler scouts can check if they have mystery or something special for a spinner and for faster bowler if they have pace and bounce or not and then they can be invited to a camp for further trials but for batters its v.hard and to add to this Ind domestic has only 1 t20 tournament (SMAT) and they do not play any other league so v.v. hard to scout a batter and to add to this there are no A side tour for t20s.

 

U-19 players get IPL contracts as their names are already flying in the in cricketing circuits and it has become a know thing if you can stack your team wtih as many possible ind intnl you increase the chances of making into a stronger IPL team and for these U-19 names who are already floating have a good chance of making into intnl side hence the IPL team flocking around them .We just saw that during  Mavi and Mukesh Kumar auctions, both didn't have a good domestic credentials but their names were floating for Ind selection IPL -teams wanted them badly. 

Now that Mavi is not able to make it into playing 11 and  Mukesh Kumar set aside after just 4 matches into IPL, shows how teams are picked- they need ind intnl players 

 

Kkr took a bet on Mavi, Gill and Kamlesh hoping 1 of them will makes into ind. side but by the time Mavi and Gill came to Ind team they have moved to other IPL teams.

 

Also picking known ind. (domestic/intnl) player attracts sponsors too.

 

Edited April 16, 2023 by tapandrun

[Vijy]

nearly everyone has played some U19 cricket, even if not U19 WC