To all the naysayers who say that part time spinners don't work in ODI's anymore......

[Trichromatic]

Maxwell 4-39 on flat pitch.

[Frustrated]

21 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Maxwell 4-39 on flat pitch.

It is a myth propagated only on ICF that part timers dont work anymore in odis.  Asalanka took 4 wickets against us few days ago and almost won them the match.    Maxwell won them easily with the ball even while he was bowling to our top order.  We lost the match as soon as the part timer came to bowl today.  

[deepdynamo]

Its a travesty that none of our batsman bowl.

All top teams have 6 genuine batsman ( one of them can bowl) + 1/2 allrounders + bowlers.

 

India is the only team that play with 5 batsman + 1 allrounder + 2 fake allrounder + 3 bowlers. Sorry, can't win world cup with Jadeja at No. 7. Massive red flag.





 

[IndianRenegade]

6 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

Its a travesty that none of our batsman bowl.

All top teams have 6 genuine batsman ( one of them can bowl) + 1/2 allrounders + bowlers.

 

India is the only team that play with 5 batsman + 1 allrounder + 2 fake allrounder + 3 bowlers. Sorry, can't win world cup with Jadeja at No. 7. Massive red flag.
 

Exactly there will be games in the KO when you need contributions from him & we will not get it.

 

Another issue that goes unnoticed is the impact it has on our top order, Jaddu being a dud when it matters isn't lost on our top order. They will tend to be more conservative in pressure KO games knowing the next man to come in can't be trusted to win the game. though this is hard to quantify the impact of this will matter when we are under pressure.

 

[bowl_out]

Maxwell, Asalanka and even Raina > Kohli, Rohit as part timers.. 

 

Yes, Rohit got a hattrick in IPL, but that was 14 years back.. He has apparently not worked on his bowling in a long time.

 

If we get decent part timers of Raina, Sehwag quality, we should try them out

[rollingstoned]

24 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

It is a myth propagated only on ICF that part timers dont work anymore in odis.  Asalanka took 4 wickets against us few days ago and almost won them the match.    Maxwell won them easily with the ball even while he was bowling to our top order.  We lost the match as soon as the part timer came to bowl today.  

This myth is something the tm believe in if you see Ashwin's podcast and Dhoni's comments where he is saying with current rules he would not have bowled Raina, Yuvi and Sehwag in the 2011 WC. 

[deepdynamo]

4 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Exactly there will be games in the KO when you need contributions from him & we will not get it.

 

Another issue that goes unnoticed is the impact it has on our top order, Jaddu being a dud when it matters isn't lost on our top order. They will tend to be more conservative in pressure KO games knowing the next man to come in can't be trusted to win the game. though this is hard to quantify the impact of this will matter when we are under pressure.

 

 

Yes, exactly.

That is why on flat wickets, I will not play Jadeja at all.

 

Look at the game today- A Flat wicket and Jadeja was useless. This was not even a genuine flat wicket since it was not easy to hit once ball gets old. In this scenario also, Jadeja flopped. So on a true flat wicket with dew, he will be a big ZERO with the ball and his batting is just on paper only.

We need to make up our mind and just go with 5 bowlers. If somebody has a bad day, so be it. its not like we are some world beaters with 6 bowlers. 

Gill
Rohit

Kohli

Iyer
KL
Pandya
Sky/Kishan
Ashwin
Kuldeep
Bumrah
Siraj/Shami

Both fake allrounders- Jadeja and Shardul on bench.

Jadeja play in place of Sky/Kishan only if the pitch is gripping on certain venue.

That will be my team for all games. Just trust these guys to deliver.

 

[IndianRenegade]

14 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

Maxwell, Asalanka and even Raina > Kohli, Rohit as part timers.. 

 

Yes, Rohit got a hattrick in IPL, but that was 14 years back.. He has apparently not worked on his bowling in a long time.

 

If we get decent part timers of Raina, Sehwag quality, we should try them out

I think this is a wrong approach. Neither Raina or Sehwag's primary role in the was being a partimer. they were primarily batters who over the course of time contributed with the ball. Our current approach seems be to include at least one part timer in the squad, we essentially end up with bits & pieces players (for the lack of a better word) like Jaddu, Axar, & Sundar. I still believe the best approach is for players who are great at their primary skill, be it with the bat or ball needs to work on the other aspect.   

Edited September 27, 2023 by IndianRenegade

[Lord]

13 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Exactly there will be games in the KO when you need contributions from him & we will not get it.

 

Another issue that goes unnoticed is the impact it has on our top order, Jaddu being a dud when it matters isn't lost on our top order. They will tend to be more conservative in pressure KO games knowing the next man to come in can't be trusted to win the game. though this is hard to quantify the impact of this will matter when we are under pressure.

 

 

Its their own doing though, if they bowled even 2 overs each, we won't need this jugaad.

[deepdynamo]

Every team has a top batter who can roll over his arm. These are required to just bowl 3-4 overs per match and on their goo day they can even bowl 8-10 overs.

Aus- Maxwell, Stonies,, Marsh 
SA- Markaram
Eng - Root, Livingstone, Moeen
NZ- Neesham, Phillips
Pak- Ifti
SL- DDS, Aslanka

 

India has none. Pandya is considered to be bowling allrounder

 

[SrinjayDutta]

We are banking on 3 bowling allrounders to give us 20 overs and lower order runs.somehow their batting needs to stick a bit.

Edited September 27, 2023 by SrinjayDutta

[IndianRenegade]

8 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

Every team has a top batter who can roll over his arm. These are required to just bowl 3-4 overs per match and on their goo day they can even bowl 8-10 overs.

Aus- Maxwell, Stonies,, Marsh 
SA- Markaram
Eng - Root, Livingstone, Moeen
NZ- Neesham, Phillips
Pak- Ifti
SL- DDS, Aslanka

 

India has none. Pandya is considered to be bowling allrounder

 

we have overpaid super stars afraid to leave their comfort zones. 

[Vijy]

irrespective of this ODI WC outcome, what we need to seriously invest in for next WC are: (a) proper ARs (for ODIs, I think this could be bawa, parag, maybe sindhu, etc); (b) batters who can bowl (tilak, jaiswal, etc); and (c) bowlers who can bat (hangu, harshit, etc)