Canada expels Indian diplomat; Indian government agents behind killing of Sikh leader - Trudeau

[ravishingravi]

 

[ravishingravi]

I think India and agencies are openly lobbying for Pierre. This is what is disturbing Justinder.

 

Besides this has been at works since decades now. Five eyes have cultivated these elements consciously. It's not just for India btw. That's what they do. 

 

My assessment is that these elements have had a more clear and direct impact on Punjab than govt could have imagined. Post COVID especially with CIA orchestrated farmers protest, they have exploited the fault lines and created some. Indian govt exploited the fault lines within their gangs and perhaps encouraged one of them to do the deed. 

 

Unlike some I do think this was right decision to bring the ugliness of armed conflict to the white land. Let people see in Canada what kind of elements they have brought into the country. Let the mob rise against their govt. In White land , if their peace and demography is disturbed, they cannot be mobilized by the govt under the garb of external threat. They would rather chuck each brownie out than disturb their peace. 

 

Plus I am glad to know that agencies are also working to support free Quebec movement. "Aag ke liye paani ka darr hona chahiye"

[coffee_rules]

22 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

I think India and agencies are openly lobbying for Pierre. This is what is disturbing Justinder.

 

Besides this has been at works since decades now. Five eyes have cultivated these elements consciously. It's not just for India btw. That's what they do. 

 

My assessment is that these elements have had a more clear and direct impact on Punjab than govt could have imagined. Post COVID especially with CIA orchestrated farmers protest, they have exploited the fault lines and created some. Indian govt exploited the fault lines within their gangs and perhaps encouraged one of them to do the deed. 

 

Unlike some I do think this was right decision to bring the ugliness of armed conflict to the white land. Let people see in Canada what kind of elements they have brought into the country. Let the mob rise against their govt. In White land , if their peace and demography is disturbed, they cannot be mobilized by the govt under the garb of external threat. They would rather chuck each brownie out than disturb their peace. 

 

Plus I am glad to know that agencies are also working to support free Quebec movement. "Aag ke liye paani ka darr hona chahiye"

 

I'd say, hold an online refererdum hosting the site on the MEA website , where Quebecers can vote for a free Quebec!

[Muloghonto]

20 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

I'd say, hold an online refererdum hosting the site on the MEA website , where Quebecers can vote for a free Quebec!

Qubecois dont want free Qubec. At best they want 'no black immigrants in Quebec' because well Quebec gets the choice cut of Francophone-Africa as their prime #1 destination due to muh-Francais crap. 

But they basically have been able to blackmail, emotionally manipulate and whine blue murder to get basically the best subsidized province in Canada, to the point that where i live, in Alberta, rednecks here are SOooooooooooooooooo butthurt about Kaneda giving too much extra $$$ to Quebec that THEY wanna break up and leave Canada as their 'roo-aaa' redneck pride. 
For eg, tuition fee for quebec residents for universities are 20-25% cheaper than rest of Canada, Montreal is still one of the cheapest cities to live for a big city in North America etc. and Quebec Always........ALWAYS gets its choice cuts of 'muh canadian national projects' even when they dont deserve it. BC ferries needs ferries ? Well they will be built in Norway, finished in Quebec, brought to Vancouver. Kaneda needs new military ships ? Quebec shipyard got contract for just 2 of 12 ships, when Halifax (main hub) got 6 and Vancouver ( main hub on pacific) got 4 and muh Quebec got 2 coz ya know, Quebec always has to suck some juice outta the Federal slush fund as 'hafta wasool' for the stupid Frogs to put up with their inferior anglo limey culture and all that crap. 

Plus everyone who wants to be a politician or federal govt worker in Canada needs to speak muh Francais, even if you live in a city like Vancouver or Calgary where less than 1% people can even hold a class 5 conversation in French coz ya know.........muh butthurt Frenchies. Much like our butthurt southies. 

 

So long story short, quebec isnt gonna leave. All India can do, by encouraging muh quebecois seperatism, is make sure how rest of Canada gets screwed even more trying to placate the prissy diva in the group who thinks she's Zeenat Amman gracing her presence to Amrish Puri, when she is actually Aruna Irani gracing her presence to Jitendra. 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2024 by Muloghonto

[Muloghonto]

45 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

I think India and agencies are openly lobbying for Pierre. This is what is disturbing Justinder.

 

Besides this has been at works since decades now. Five eyes have cultivated these elements consciously. It's not just for India btw. That's what they do. 

 

My assessment is that these elements have had a more clear and direct impact on Punjab than govt could have imagined. Post COVID especially with CIA orchestrated farmers protest, they have exploited the fault lines and created some. Indian govt exploited the fault lines within their gangs and perhaps encouraged one of them to do the deed. 

 

Unlike some I do think this was right decision to bring the ugliness of armed conflict to the white land. Let people see in Canada what kind of elements they have brought into the country. Let the mob rise against their govt. In White land , if their peace and demography is disturbed, they cannot be mobilized by the govt under the garb of external threat. They would rather chuck each brownie out than disturb their peace. 

 

Plus I am glad to know that agencies are also working to support free Quebec movement. "Aag ke liye paani ka darr hona chahiye"

 

What is disturbing Justinder are three things : 

1. Pierre Polievre being a clear-cut favourite to win the next elections- he resonates FAAAAAAAAAAAAR more with the Canadian voters, where the three big nuclear bombs are : a) inflation b) housing price & availability and c)job market. 
Pierre has CLEAR-CUT answers to solve these, which the libbus hate : he is gonna dig, dig dig, put a cap on immigration to pre-covid levels so housing market doesnt overheat and cut corporate tax to create more JOBS. 

 

2. Pierre Polievre  has honed in like a hawk since a term ago, on Turd-O and the China connection in election interfering. Basically the elephant in the room is China is by far the biggest election interference-runner in Canada, with greatest 'inside support' in Canada after USA, as the whole Meng Wangzhou affair proves ( if she and Huwawei Indian, Turd-O would've handed her over to Donny Trump in 2 seconds flat) and there is CLEAR-CUT chinese interference in the Canadian elections at ground level ( as in some Chinese-Canadian candidates recieving direct help from CCP agents in amplifying their message amongst old chinese folks who barely speak any english) and Turd-O knows he may end up in Jail by the time a Pollievre term is done. 

 

3. Turd-O and jaggu-bhai basically court the same voter base : the liberal to left wing anti conservative types + all the minorities. The more leftie nutjobs, who's one-trick formula is 'raise corporate tax -->give free child service + give this ,give that to struggling lower class people'  for every damn scenario are more NDP and the slightly more free-market rational ones are Liberals. Of these, the Liberals *USED TO* eat the Pind votes for lunch, before rise of Jaggu bhai. Ever since Jaggu bhai rose to NDP leadership, he dominates the Sikh votes, taking NDP share of Sikh votes from ~ 10% to a solid 40-50%. So Justinder feels a bit butthurt and is trying to court some Sikh votes or at least stop the bleeding to Jaggu bhai as barring a miracle, Justinder is not winning the next time : most immigrants are against him now ( coz well immigrants care about JERB MARKET and INFLATION), most whites are against him ( immigration+jerb market+housing prices+inflation) and its pretty much the blue-haired ones + hardcore unionists and the khali-khopri ones that are gonna vote Liberal + NDP this time around. 

 

This is why Justinder is trying very hard to link conservatives with Indian interference to try and take the spotlight off of him and court khalistani votes. 

 

[ravishingravi]

Can we also have thread on Lawrence bishnoi ? Man has shaken domestic and international politics like few could have imagined. 

[diga]

read that China abducted a few migrants in Canada as they were considered national threat.. they seem to run their own police network with full coop from RCMP... thats global power

[coffee_rules]

41 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

Can we also have thread on Lawrence bishnoi ? Man has shaken domestic and international politics like few could have imagined. 

Posted an update on this thread

 

 

How is he killing BJP-related  folks and also offing Kanedian Citizens like Nijjar folks?  Kaneda wants to know. 

[coffee_rules]

56 minutes ago, diga said:

read that China abducted a few migrants in Canada as they were considered national threat.. they seem to run their own police network with full coop from RCMP... thats global power

Justinder goes awol on China, but goes after India. As expected, low-hanging fruit. 

Edited October 17, 2024 by coffee_rules

[zen]

3 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

Facts facts facts. 

 

What matters is what people in Punjab think. These toothless Khalistanis overseas usually rake up Khalistan to get donations to earn money and maybe to get some position at a Gurudwara. At worst, they protest in front of embassies, burn flags and so on (many of these protestors could have been paid to even show up. Some may appear like retirees who came to an event to kill time).

 

If Indian agencies are involved, they probably wasted their time, energy and reputation on these people. Now these guys have got even more media coverage. The dead have become “martyrs”. 
 

Edited October 17, 2024 by zen

[ravishingravi]

1 minute ago, zen said:

What matters is what people of Punjab think. These toothless Khalistanis overseas usually rake up Khalistan to get donations to earn money and maybe to get some position at a Gurudwara. At worst, they protest in front of embassies, burn flags and so on (many of these protestors may have been given money to even show up).

 

If Indian agencies are involved, it probably wasted its time and reputation on these people. And now has given these guys even more media coverage and turned those dead into “martyrs”. 
 

 

Unfortunately not that simple. Punjab isn't a normal state. Border state. Had a radically terrorist taken over state and holiest site who has to be gunned down. Faces terrorism for 15 years which instilled a gun culture. Largest anti Sikh riots on the back of assassination of prime minister. Became the prosperous state on back on green revolution with zero industrialization. Next gen with no jobs or education but lot of money and drugs from border country. 

 

A country which has to defend itself has to defend the state from actors wherever the threat might be. If you are taking refuge in rich country preying on fault lines, it is a stupid strategy to say that India keeps defending. That strategy goes only one way. It has to be mix of defence and attack. 

 

If you use our fault lines we can use yours. You don't indulge directly neither would we. One of elements for good strategy is unpredictability. 

 

India would be unharmed by the whole episode. US and India will bury this. Trudeau will go and Pierre will highlight the mess he has brought home. 

[ravishingravi]

Something Canadians are getting. 

 

 

 

[zen]

26 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Unfortunately not that simple. Punjab isn't a normal state. Border state. Had a radically terrorist taken over state and holiest site who has to be gunned down. Faces terrorism for 15 years which instilled a gun culture. Largest anti Sikh riots on the back of assassination of prime minister. Became the prosperous state on back on green revolution with zero industrialization. Next gen with no jobs or education but lot of money and drugs from border country. 

 

A country which has to defend itself has to defend the state from actors wherever the threat might be. If you are taking refuge in rich country preying on fault lines, it is a stupid strategy to say that India keeps defending. That strategy goes only one way. It has to be mix of defence and attack. 

 

If you use our fault lines we can use yours. You don't indulge directly neither would we. One of elements for good strategy is unpredictability. 

 

India would be unharmed by the whole episode. US and India will bury this. Trudeau will go and Pierre will highlight the mess he has brought home. 

We have to look at the current situation in Punjab. I don’t recall any major widespread Khalistan movement at the moment. Remind me if I missed anything. 
 

India had to announce a rogue operation for what it did in the US. Canada has acted on information received from its partners. It is said that Canada has communications evidence including a mix of video, audio, and emails exchanges b/w the intelligence agencies in India and the consulates.
 

We have to wait till the trial begins to see what is on the table.
 

Media / social media will usually be unidimensional. Difficult to rely on it. If you recall, this was Pak’s position on OBL before he was found in Pak: 

 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2024 by zen

[zen]

Talking about media / social media, there is a report - “Trudeau accepts that he has no hard evidence, acted on intel” when he was referring to the proactive action that he took almost a year ago. 

 
Therefore, it is difficult to rely on general information in such cases.

[zen]

In Canada (and the US), people from various countries live. This “act” is going to not only give awareness to Khalistan movement but also impact India’s image in one way or the other:

 

 

Modi got respect from almost everywhere. If he wants to be seen as a world leader, he needs to tread carefully. 
 

GOI should not attempt to turn that goodwill away by focusing on such issues (if there is an involvement) where it could be perceived as attempting to silence minorities.  It had the opportunity to raise its hand for Hindus “minorities” in BD, but it shied away. The priorities are probably wrong. 

Edited October 17, 2024 by zen

[mishra]

2 hours ago, zen said:

We have to look at the current situation in Punjab. I don’t recall any major widespread Khalistan movement at the moment. Remind me if I missed anything. 
 

India had to announce a rogue operation for what it did in the US. Canada has acted on information received from its partners. It is said that Canada has communications evidence including a mix of video, audio, and emails exchanges b/w the intelligence agencies in India and the consulates.
 

We have to wait till the trial begins to see what is on the table.
 

Media / social media will usually be unidimensional. Difficult to rely on it. If you recall, this was Pak’s position on OBL before he was found in Pak: 

 

 

 

@zen I know Canada is your country but here is my two cents on whole thing.

 

Firstly: We know that Khalistani Terror Outfit morphed into political wing is actually in a position to bring down Trudeau Government so there is a undeniable Internal Political angle to the Canada angle.

 

Now lets take second angle. There is no treaty between two Nations which can enforce criminal transfers even if its Convicted. Reason for not having such things in place is NOT India but Canada as it does NOT wants its Khalistani assets to be tried and prisoned in India. Since most of those ex terrorists can directly/indirectly be related to a Political Party in Canada, I dont think such treat is coming in next 20 Years.

 

There is nothing that can Link main accused to Lawrence Bishnoai and Lawrence Bishnoi to Indian Government.

 

For time being lets assume that Lawrence Bishnoi is a RAW Agent and all its goons are RAW Agents and when Canada alleges Bishnoi Gang member killed Nijjar  (A Terrororist), It means Indians are certain that there is NO PROSECUTABLE evidence good enough to be admissible in Canadian Court to try Bishnoi. Canada is bluffing and India has called the bluff.

 

When one sees that Western analysts and reporters are willfully ignoring above angles(Iallthough they are facts) and claiming the Gvmnt has electronic evidence shared to India and Reason why India is NOT reacting is that Canada hasnt got same heft as as US, while their own Trudeau is denying that there is no audio/video/electronic evidence present or shared then to me All it Looks is Canadas Internal Politics is so screwed that it is hurting its own geopolitical Interest.

 

 

Fundamentally Internal Politics  impacts Geopolitics if Government in Power are NOT in Full majority. ROOT CAUSE and SOLUTION is FIx internal Politics of Canada. If Trudeau had full majority he himself would have shown middle finger to Canadian Khalistanis

 

 

Edited October 17, 2024 by mishra

[zen]

38 minutes ago, mishra said:

@zen I know Canada is your country but here is my two cents on whole thing.

 

Firstly: We know that Khalistani Terror Outfit morphed into political wing is actually in a position to bring down Trudeau Government so there is a undeniable Internal Political angle to the Canada angle.

 

Now lets take second angle. There is no treaty between two Nations which can enforce criminal transfers even if its Convicted. Reason for not having such things in place is NOT India but Canada as it does NOT wants its Khalistani assets to be tried and prisoned in India. Since most of those ex terrorists can directly/indirectly be related to a Political Party in Canada, I dont think such treat is coming in next 20 Years.

 

There is nothing that can Link main accused to Lawrence Bishnoai and Lawrence Bishnoi to Indian Government.

 

For time being lets assume that Lawrence Bishnoi is a RAW Agent and all its goons are RAW Agents and when Canada alleges Bishnoi Gang member killed Nijjar  (A Terrororist), It means Indians are certain that there is NO PROSECUTABLE evidence good enough to be admissible in Canadian Court to try Bishnoi. Canada is bluffing and India has called the bluff.

 

When one sees that Western analysts and reporters are willfully ignoring above angles(Iallthough they are facts) and claiming the Gvmnt has electronic evidence shared to India and Reason why India is NOT reacting is that Canada hasnt got same heft as as US, while their own Trudeau is denying that there is no audio/video/electronic evidence present or shared then to me All it Looks is Canadas Internal Politics is so screwed that it is hurting its own geopolitical Interest.

 

 

Fundamentally Internal Politics  impacts Geopolitics if Government in Power are NOT in Full majority. ROOT CAUSE and SOLUTION is FIx internal Politics of Canada. If Trudeau had full majority he himself would have shown middle finger to Canadian Khalistanis

 

 

I feel connected with both India and Canada for different reasons so I am looking at this from a more or less neutral perspective.  Both have their pros and cons.  

The investigation is multi-layered. I am concerned with the angle of Indian intelligence and consulate being involved. In US, India had to advance the “rogue agent” narrative (India has accepted its agent’s involvement in the US case, the silver lining is that there was no murder iirc. Are people going to believe that in the US, the Indian agents were involved but in a similar situation in Canada, they were not?).
 

It is not just about what can proven but the perception that it creates. The world does not run on theories (and truths) prevailing in India (If I am not wrong, not so long ago Indians were being made fun off on social media).  
 

Trudeau, whether he gains or loses from this (who knows even people of Pakistani origin for e.g. could vote for him for taking on India), has already hurt India (and Modi’s image too in a way). The Khalistanis got the attention (both positive and negative) that they would probably never have got, the dead have become martyrs. 

 

Edited October 17, 2024 by zen

[mishra]

42 minutes ago, zen said:

I feel connected with both India and Canada for different reasons so I am looking at this from a more or less neutral perspective.  Both have their pros and cons.  

The investigation is multi-layered. I am concerned with the angle of Indian intelligence and consulate being involved. In US, India had to advance the “rogue agent” narrative (India has accepted its agent’s involvement in the US case, the silver lining is that there was no murder iirc. Are people going to believe that in the US the Indian agents were involved but in a similar situation in India, they were not?).
 

It is not just about what can proven but the perception that it creates.
 

Trudeau, whether he gains or loses from this (who knows even people of Pakistani origin for e.g. could vote for him for taking on India), has already hurt India (and Modi’s image too in a way). The Khalistanis got the attention (both positive and negative) that they would probably never have got, the dead’s have become martyrs. 

 

 

I respect your opinion and honestly speaking, Every pro Indian want them eliminated as they have hurt India. But I think, India mooved in too early. Who knows, what facts would have compelled them. In case of Pannu, I think GoI has been trying to reason with US, Infact in a particular meeting, Seems like (If analysts to be believed) Indian NSA said that despite all the efforts and evidences, US denies and foils bringing down Pannu and only conclusion they can draw is he is CIA Asset. They never used to seriously discuss about Nijjer before his assasination.

 

In case of Nijjer, there is doubt. Lawrence Bisnoi is a Don and he is in direct Competetion with other Dons of Punjab and Canada in illegal business. So why cant the Canadian Khalistani Dons influence Khalistani Lawmakers of Canada  because Bishnoi is threat to their business

 

So instead of discussing the lack of Treaty, Khalistani terrorists living freely on dole in West, Narrative being pushed is a US citizen was attacked and Canadian citizen was killed and are at risk. While Sitting in West it may look that Khalistani issue is getting highlighted, Dont think anyone apart from Westerners are buying it. Problem is, Its only Westerners that matter. But then again, Khalistani problem/narrative will be sold to Westerners for this reason or that reason No matter what GoI does as its in their interest, So who knows, GoI is simply saying enough is enough (SPECIALLY to UK and Canada), We will come after Khalistani Individuals after a certain level and we can manage it diplomatically.

Edited October 17, 2024 by mishra

[zen]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

So instead of discussing the lack of Treaty, Khalistani terrorists living freely on dole in West, Narrative being pushed is a US citizen was attacked and Canadian citizen was killed and are at risk. While Sitting in West it may look that Khalistani issue is getting highlighted, Dont think anyone apart from Westerners are buying it. Problem is, Its only Westerners that matter. But then again, Khalistani problem/narrative will be sold to Westerners for this reason or that reason No matter what GoI does as its in their interest, So who knows, GoI is simply saying enough is enough, We will come after Khalistani Individuals after a certain level and we can manage it diplomatically.

Edited 10 minutes ago by mishra

The Khalistanis are not necessarily seen as terrorists. A terrorist is someone who causes a terrorist event (protesting for e.g. is not terrorism). Having an opinion on a separate country does not make people terrorists in these countries.
 

There are people of various countries who live in these parts of the world, carrying out campaigns against Govts of their country of origin. The west has supported Pakistan too, which is seen as India’s enemy. Many times people have advised India on “freedom of expression”. 

 

The issue here could be that India is advancing its own concepts and theories on what makes a terrorist. 
 

India probably has to be more open minded and tolerant.

Here GOI has probably made a miscalculation to stir up an unnecessary issue.

 

If an action needs to be taken on foreign soil for a critical matter (where for e.g. someone is leaking military secrets), it has to be well planned. 

 

Edited October 17, 2024 by zen

[mishra]

^ When Litvinenko was killed by Polonium , Russia denied because it can deny it or May be Russians were saying the truth and may be it was West who gave Polonium to malign Russia as Litvinenko was not Westerners,  but either way,  would have send a message among anyone in KGB who thought West promise to save them is serious, if they they ever became a double Agent.

 

I am still not sure who killed Litvinenko. Same is true for Khalistanis. What if tomorrow Vikram Yadav says CIA agents gave him idea/money to execute Pannu.

Edited October 17, 2024 by mishra