Major terror attack underway in Gaza Strip

[Real McCoy]

4 hours ago, mishra said:

Think you are overestimating Western Unity and underestimating Indians in West. West does not mean one country. French, Spanish, Germans,English, Dutch (ie lineage from Royality) are separate. Australia Canada US are three ex colonies which is Anglosphere. Its just that US as become so powerful that English there have BIG BIG Say in Anglosphere policy.

Now about non Western living in West, Think Holocaust can not repeat because unlike WWII, Non whites are in critical positions of Power. However, if you look at army numbers, apart from US, I dont see any other Western country has enough non white population to put pressure on whether a holocaust be ordered and executed against non Whites. But be very clear, Indian diaspora knows exactly how to to influence and protect interests as it sees it in West.

 

Same can not be said about Indian diaspora in Middle East where Indians have not yet reached positions of Power despite huge numbers.

 

 

 

I know I should have mentioned Anglosphere which is where most of our major immigration happens. Even if you see other NATO countries as separate entities, the anglosphere within that group is united. US and France has some minor hiccups between them, UK, Can and Aus toe the line of US. It is another matter that these governments are in war with the entire world even with their own citizens. But the anglosphere citizens are somewhat united even though they may crack jokes during the ashes.

 

Our problem is way different. Our people born and living in anglosphere countries are caught between the two cultures. I can see it. It has been this way ever since immigration started. Its great news if they say their interests are protected. As far as our diaspora is concerned, we have a return to India policy that is open for them. In case of mahabharat or west going down (which is the most likely option compared with the former), they can choose to come home. That's good enough at the moment.

 

We need to be careful about the whites ability to do a holocaust in the future. One is there is no clear evidence of holocaust actually performed by hitler. He may have or may have not. I actually trust the germans a lot more than the anglos. In 3/4 centuries, how many have the colonial empires executed, pillaged, enslaved. There is no guarantee that they may not happen when things go south for them. Even if the people are nice, their govts wont let them live in peace and ask them to go fight a useless war with a random country they chose to target. The goras have been mentally enslaved by their govts way before they were used by the same govts to enslave us and the whole world.

[Real McCoy]

8 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Well as a math guy, i'd say that barring massive shifts in global political order and immigration policy, the indian % of these nations are pretty much set in stone, with maybe an error range of +/-  2% 

 

i dont want indian govt to defend this girl. But i do want Indian government to set up strong links with the diaspora as a strategic asset - this would obviously be done via financial incentives/perks, as in preferencial access to indian markets and by cultural outreach - which the Indian govt is in the process of setting up via Thiruvalluvar centres. 

As for shots- i had to take the shot, since i had to travel during covid and its impossible to even enter india during covid years without the shot.

 

 

Vacc example was given just to prove the power of their media which can subvert any second generation immigrant from staying attached to their roots. I like what this govt is doing in foreign affairs and I leave it to them establishing cultural centres. Especially this Jaishankar guy is doing pretty good

[mishra]

Israel has vowed to hit Iran. Question is not when, Question is how.? I dont see Israelis violating airspace of of Saudis, Iraq, Jordan, Syria or use Gulf of Aiden. So what now for Israel. How they will retaliate? Will they instead attack Rafah which West has ensured is protected so far?

[Real McCoy]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

Israel has vowed to hit Iran. Question is not when, Question is how.? I dont see Israelis violating airspace of of Saudis, Iraq, Jordan, Syria or use Gulf of Aiden. So what now for Israel. How they will retaliate? Will they instead attack Rafah which West has ensured is protected so far?

 

"We're all living in Amerika
Coca-Cola, sometimes war"

 

Things are already in plan. It takes some indoctrination to rile up war sentiments. Even if american people and the army don't want to fight, it will happen because isreal says so. There is a video already with the customary burning flags.

 

 

"They are chanting in Farsi" Unbelievable. Last few years it was the Russians. Now its Iran. Coca cola sometimes war

[coffee_rules]

Google fires woke employees.

 

 

⚡️⚡️28 employees entered Google CEO’s office and threatened to stay there until Google canceled its $1.2 billion contract with the Israeli government.

Instead, Google has FIRED all of them from jobpic.twitter.com/LZSrksIY1U

— Megh Updates ™ (@MeghUpdates) April 18, 2024

[Lone Wolf]

Biden Musk Tmkc...  Lo**de ke democracy 

 

[diga]

32 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Biden Musk Tmkc...  Lo**de ke democracy 

 

america has set a precedence , hope we take stringent actions here too. ... education campus cannot be used as protest grounds disrupting others who come solely there for education. 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, diga said:

america has set a precedence , hope we take stringent actions here too. ... education campus cannot be used as protest grounds disrupting others who come solely there for education. 

We exported azaadi protests to columbia. Arrey hum kya chahte hai

Filistine ki azaadi

 

 

The "welcoming educational environment" at @Columbia and @BarnardCollege. pic.twitter.com/cbli9PhKq6

— Documenting Jew Hatred on Campus (@CampusJewHate) April 20, 2024

[diga]

6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

We exported azaadi protests to columbia. Arrey hum kya chahte hai

Filistine ki azaadi

 

 

Girl has chutzpah..  Hope she grows up 

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Biden Musk Tmkc...  Lo**de ke democracy 
 

 

 

This is what US does to protesters in colleges. If the same is done in JNU, domeocracy khatre main aajati hain! V-dem and other institutions will rank low  on decomarcy index or educational freedom index. It’s all about institutional narrative setting

 

 

HAPPENING NOW: Mass chaos breaks out at college campuses across the United States as pro-Palestine protests intensify.

Columbia, Harvard, USC, University of Texas at Austin and others are getting swarmed by protesters.

Police at USC are taking out their batons as the… pic.twitter.com/D35wVTCiZ8

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) April 24, 2024

[Real McCoy]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Biden Musk Tmkc...  Lo**de ke democracy 

 

 

This is only because its against isreal because jews have quite the lobby there. they literally own us and uk. if the girl protested against India, she would be called a freedom fighter fighting for kashmiris, muslims and whatever community that goes with the "oppressed" category. we should hold the same double standards towards us and uk but we dont have the guts nor the superpower status to do it.

[coffee_rules]

11 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

 

This is only because its against isreal because jews have quite the lobby there. they literally own us and uk. if the girl protested against India, she would be called a freedom fighter fighting for kashmiris, muslims and whatever community that goes with the "oppressed" category. we should hold the same double standards towards us and uk but we dont have the guts nor the superpower status to do it.

You have no idea how much pro-Palestine protests is happening in US colleges. It is the new BLM movement for the privileged youth. It’s could be funded by Soros/Saudi or Qatari warlords to  destabilize  US. This girl gets to be the punching bag because there is no backing like Islamic organizations or American ones. Lesson for Indian Hindus to shut up , bend down and study. Stupid one, don’t know who advised her, naam se DMK or Keralite commies ki beti lagta hain. 

[Real McCoy]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

You have no idea how much pro-Palestine protests is happening in US colleges. It is the new BLM movement for the privileged youth. It’s could be funded by Soros/Saudi or Qatari warlords to  destabilize  US. This girl gets to be the punching bag because there is no backing like Islamic organizations or American ones. Lesson for Indian Hindus to shut up , bend down and study. Stupid one, don’t know who advised her, naam se DMK or Keralite commies ki beti lagta hain. 

 

Yeah its never in our best interest to pick a side and voice for it atleast in this issue. I said in this topic about why Indians getting emotional for Isreal but that would apply for Palestine also. Its not in our interest to take up Palestinian cause too. Its bad enough that our muslim population is not aware of this. Now its the hindus. Are they really nuts? Two girls arrested recently.

 

I'm sensing the leftists are pushing for total domination now and its the "evil racist" right wing that is more reasonable. Its these leftists who are indoctrinating Indians right from the school stage onwards. Maybe its Soros. Saudi regime works well with the west. Their pro-Palestine propaganda is just that. Its there to divide the population so that it makes the population polarized and be easy to rule.

 

I don't think the parents can handle this man. Already they are stressed out living in US and the rest of the west and doing ugra karma to just earn their living. The Gujarati girl who got arrested seemed like she was raised well by her parents. She knowing the hindu customs is a good indication that her parents wanted her to know her culture. But still she rose in the public scene as a patsy ready to be arrested.

 

I think a better upbringing would be too add the parents' take on current events along with the cultural norms. I doubt Indian parents can keep up with what's happening in the world right now. I mean even in this forum many people are clueless about it including me. But the effort must be made to educate themselves first and pass it on to their children. Its tough day to be a child these days.

 

We need to understand and make sure others understand that we don't have a hold in US politics even at a basic level. I think Indian Americans are beginning to find out that they won't be protected like someone who is black or mexican would be (even muslims have better political clout that hindus because they are a global religion and they by their own essence are driven to be political). I don't think we can expect any protection in SHTF scenarios. Its better we stay out of it entirely, try to be in the good books of everyone there and maybe vote for better candidates (mostly Republican).

 

PS- Didn't want to type an essay It just turned out like that

 

 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

 

Yeah its never in our best interest to pick a side and voice for it atleast in this issue. I said in this topic about why Indians getting emotional for Isreal but that would apply for Palestine also. Its not in our interest to take up Palestinian cause too. Its bad enough that our muslim population is not aware of this. Now its the hindus. Are they really nuts? Two girls arrested recently.

 

I'm sensing the leftists are pushing for total domination now and its the "evil racist" right wing that is more reasonable. Its these leftists who are indoctrinating Indians right from the school stage onwards. Maybe its Soros. Saudi regime works well with the west. Their pro-Palestine propaganda is just that. Its there to divide the population so that it makes the population polarized and be easy to rule.

 

I don't think the parents can handle this man. Already they are stressed out living in US and the rest of the west and doing ugra karma to just earn their living. The Gujarati girl who got arrested seemed like she was raised well by her parents. She knowing the hindu customs is a good indication that her parents wanted her to know her culture. But still she rose in the public scene as a patsy ready to be arrested.

 

I think a better upbringing would be too add the parents' take on current events along with the cultural norms. I doubt Indian parents can keep up with what's happening in the world right now. I mean even in this forum many people are clueless about it including me. But the effort must be made to educate themselves first and pass it on to their children. Its tough day to be a child these days.

 

We need to understand and make sure others understand that we don't have a hold in US politics even at a basic level. I think Indian Americans are beginning to find out that they won't be protected like someone who is black or mexican would be (even muslims have better political clout that hindus because they are a global religion and they by their own essence are driven to be political). I don't think we can expect any protection in SHTF scenarios. Its better we stay out of it entirely, try to be in the good books of everyone there and maybe vote for better candidates (mostly Republican).

 

PS- Didn't want to type an essay It just turned out like that

 

 

 

 

 

it is in our interest to back israel in this conflict, which is why we are clandestinely backing israel in this conflict. 

 

[Real McCoy]

6 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

 

it is in our interest to back israel in this conflict, which is why we are clandestinely backing israel in this conflict. 

 

I'm talking we as individuals not we as a country.

[mishra]

21 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

 

 

This is what US does to protesters in colleges. If the same is done in JNU, domeocracy khatre main aajati hain! V-dem and other institutions will rank low  on decomarcy index or educational freedom index. It’s all about institutional narrative setting

 

 

There are more People reporting it than protestors

[BacktoCricaddict]

This thread has many geopolitical / strategic / military perspectives. Lacking such strategic knowledge and rhetorical skills, I tend to focus on individual persons and look for glimmers of hope in grassroots interactions. Like the one described here between a Jewish youngster and Palestinian Muslim student. Call me naive, but if at all there is hope for peace, voices of peace must be amplified.

 

Quote

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/what-happened-when-a-young-israeli-walked-into-an-anti-israel-protest/ar-AA1nHqU9

 

But then something unexpected happened. Zach struck up a conversation with a Palestinian woman in the crowd, a student at the Parsons School of Design who declined to give her name. Although the encounter was initially tense, I watched as a thoughtful conversation unfolded between two people for whom the Middle East crisis is not some faraway abstraction but instead a matter of life and death.

Their exchange — and the efforts by other protesters at the rally to prevent it — highlighted one of the less understood divides on America’s tense college campuses. Obviously, there’s the divide between Israelis and Palestinians. But there’s also a clear schism between students personally connected to the region and those for whom the war has become a flavor-of-the-month activist cause.

 

 

Also, somewhere early in this thread, I have shared how proud I am of my students and administration for organizing and implementing civil discourse. And it has stayed that way so far. My fingers are crossed. 

[Muloghonto]

15 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

I'm talking we as individuals not we as a country.

if it is in the interest of our country to support israel, then it is also in the interests of the individuals to do so.

 

[diga]

13 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

Also, somewhere early in this thread, I have shared how proud I am of my students and administration for organizing and implementing civil discourse. And it has stayed that way so far. My fingers are crossed. 

 

Alas, only if the debate stayed as a civilized discourse instead of the paid & organized disruptions of classes in university campus that we are seeing now

[Real McCoy]

10 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

if it is in the interest of our country to support israel, then it is also in the interests of the individuals to do so.

 

 

I'm saying both India and Indians should be neutral on the Israel-Palestine issue. We already have enough division in our ranks. No need for another division topic.