Major terror attack underway in Gaza Strip

[putrevus]

13 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

ofcourse they arent.Netanyahu is a asshole and a wannabe dictator but the fact remains that if the Jews agree to complete disarmament and sue for peace they will be attacked the very next day.The fact that they have nukes is what is stopping the bigger muslim countries from attacking them directly.

That is the narrative they want world to know,  What is the  so called peace they were offering, why settlers are/were  both in Gaza and West bank. 

 

 

If Israel wanted peace in the region they could have done things very differently too.

 

 

Edited October 12, 2023 by putrevus

[ravishingravi]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

That is why these things keep on happening and it will continue to happen some form or the other.Israel will keep painting this picture of them being the only victims as they can control the narrative.

 

Historic land dispute is not the question here.

 

Question is basic humanity towards majority of people who are currently living there.They have nothing to do with past history.Why are they getting victimized.

 

Its narrative war on both sides. If you thought one side is driving this, you have been fairly fooled. I have personally seen sons and daughters of these Hamas / Palestinian leaders based in Qatar. They live in the most expensive apartments next to Eiffel tower while talking about people in Gaza. Its about the money silly. There is money flowing on both sides linked to this conflict. 

 

Is Israel expansionist ? Yes. Are Hamas terrorists ? Yes. Further one digs into the conflict, it will only get murky. Here is a trivia, who has kept Hamas alive and kicking in Gaza ?

[mishra]

Those preaching Israel to accept two state and bala nla blah, need to go and check what PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah put in their charter. They want to eliminate Israel. And All of the Arab world as well as Muslims in rest of world Supports them and call them as victims. Why If Palestinians were so innocent, they cant overthrow Hamas? Why only Israel hould become secular democracy when Not a single Muslims asks for secular democracy in Arab world.

 

 

To top it, Rebirth of a Jewish state from Ashes is a major setback in Islamic History. As long as Israel exists, it will keep reminding these fanatics and their so called liberals lobby Islam followers  that there are things which are beyond Islam and Allah. And they cant accept this basic fact

 

 

Edited October 12, 2023 by mishra

[coffee_rules]

16 minutes ago, putrevus said:

That is the narrative they want world to know,  What is the  so called peace they were offering, why settlers are/were  both in Gaza and West bank. 

 

 

If Israel wanted peace in the region they could have done things very differently too.

 

 

No settlers in Gaza, it is a hell hole for Jews. Settlers are in WB. If Arabs had agreed to the 1948 settlement, and not kept attacking, Israel would not have expanded. They even agreed for the UN to control the holy sites in Jersulaem. PLO first and Hamas and Hezbollah now is the cause for the escalations for all over the years. Israel is not India to sit and defend peacefully. Read about Golan Heights in Jordon  or the terrority they got from Lebannon for attacking Israel. This is not a Netanyahu problem for Israel. It's been there since the state formed in 1948. Hamas charter is total annihilation for Jews and Israel by violent Islam. The world will never let it happen. The only solution is annihilation of Hamas and whoever lives through the carnage will live in peace later. This conflict is a direct result of Saudi-Israel peace deal that Iran and Qatar don't want. Only inncocent babies paid the price for this unprovoked terrorist act of Hamas. Eliminate Hamas leadership living in Qatar, there will be peace in the region. Whenever Israel is  attacked, all preachers come out of the woodwork to tell Israel what to do. Tell Hamas and Al-Quds industry to stop the attacks first. 

Edited October 12, 2023 by coffee_rules

[coffee_rules]

54 minutes ago, mishra said:

Those preaching Israel to accept two state and bala nla blah, need to go and check what PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah put in their charter. They want to eliminate Israel. And All of the Arab world as well as Muslims in rest of world Supports them and call them as victims. Why If Palestinians were so innocent, they cant overthrow Hamas? Why only Israel hould become secular democracy when Not a single Muslims asks for secular democracy in Arab world.

 

 

To top it, Rebirth of a Jewish state from Ashes is a major setback in Islamic History. As long as Israel exists, it will keep reminding these fanatics and their so called liberals lobby Islam followers  that there are things which are beyond Islam and Allah. And they cant accept this basic fact

 

 

Gazans voted for Hamas in 2006. Now they pay the price. If they revolt, Hamas is doing the same or even worse than what they did to Jews. 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2023 by coffee_rules

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Its narrative war on both sides. If you thought one side is driving this, you have been fairly fooled. I have personally seen sons and daughters of these Hamas / Palestinian leaders based in Qatar. They live in the most expensive apartments next to Eiffel tower while talking about people in Gaza. Its about the money silly. There is money flowing on both sides linked to this conflict. 

 

Is Israel expansionist ? Yes. Are Hamas terrorists ? Yes. Further one digs into the conflict, it will only get murky. Here is a trivia, who has kept Hamas alive and kicking in Gaza ?

I am not a fool to think it is only one side which is driving this.But I am also not a fool to think Israel are the only victims here.

 

It is always about Money .Whoever has more will control the narrative.

No matter what part of the world they come from these so called leaders and their families will always live in luxury.

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The saddest part in all of these conflicts around the globe is they are still benefitting European colonizers in some form or other.

[ravishingravi]

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I am not a fool to think it is only one side which is driving this.But I am also not a fool to think Israel are the only victims here.

 

It is always about Money .Whoever has more will control the narrative.

No matter what part of the world they come from these so called leaders and their families will always live in luxury.

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The saddest part in all of these conflicts around the globe is they are still benefitting European colonizers in some form or other.

 

This is simplistic understanding. Those with money always hedge on both sides. Smart people will get it. This is not about Israel or Palestine. This is turf war between US and allies and new axis. It will play out in various places. This is just one.

[ravishingravi]

Scene tells you the story of what we are involved in

 

https://youtu.be/jjmM__ZSZYk?si=w9pXXRb62CIcbVJD

[putrevus]

41 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

No settlers in Gaza, it is a hell hole for Jews. Settlers are in WB. If Arabs had agreed to the 1948 settlement, and not kept attacking, Israel would not have expanded. They even agreed for the UN to control the holy sites in Jersulaem. PLO first and Hamas and Hezbollah now is the cause for the escalations for all over the years. Israel is not India to sit and defend peacefully. Read about Golan Heights in Jordon  or the terrority they got from Lebannon for attacking Israel. This is not a Netanyahu problem for Israel. It's been there since the state formed in 1948. Hamas charter is total annihilation for Jews and Israel by violent Islam. The world will never let it happen. The only solution is annihilation of Hamas and whoever lives through the carnage will live in peace later. This conflict is a direct result of Saudi-Israel peace deal that Iran and Qatar don't want. Only inncocent babies paid the price for this unprovoked terrorist act of Hamas. Eliminate Hamas leadership living in Qatar, there will be peace in the region. Whenever Israel is  attacked, all preachers come out of the woodwork to tell Israel what to do. Tell Hamas and Al-Quds industry to stop the attacks first. 

Okay they did not agree to it in 1948 so the people living there now should die.What kind of justice is that plus why do you think Saudi is so goody goody with Israel.They are looking for their own interests.It is all about power and money.

 

In 1948 Arabs underestimated Israel plus  they were never interested in wellbeing of the people who were actually living there.Every Arab country had their own angle then, that has not changed even now and I don't think it will change in future too.

 

What is happening now will not solve anything, things might calm down for while they will resurface in some form or other.

 

There will be some leader born out of this crisis who will use this as rally cry for their effort in future.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2023 by putrevus

[putrevus]

21 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

This is simplistic understanding. Those with money always hedge on both sides. Smart people will get it. This is not about Israel or Palestine. This is turf war between US and allies and new axis. It will play out in various places. This is just one.

Why you think US and its allies have special interest in Israel. There are lot powerful and rich jews who have money and power to control the politics in these countries.They also control all the narratives coming out thru media to paint them as vicitims too.

Edited October 12, 2023 by putrevus

[ravishingravi]

What we are dealing with

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

What we are dealing with

Do you think kids in Israel and its settlements are not being taught to do the same.

[ravishingravi]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Do you think kids in Israel and its settlements are not being taught to do the same.

 

No they are not. I know its convenient to both side everything. But at some point it becomes intellectual laziness. However, I also give Palestinians some benefit of doubt. The situation is not easy and this is a very plausible outcome.

 

Based on my experience in Israel and also their education system, I believe this is not the case. In fact if anything it encourage leftist thought process and very scientific bent of mind ( making it is the most successful start up space in the world ). In fact, you may not be aware but there is a leftist community in Israel including the religious priests that oppose expansionism and Israel general policy towards Gaza. That's a liberal democracy with diversity of view points. Let someone say something against Hamas in Gaza. They will be nailed to the wall. There are 20% Arabs in Israel and they have more right there than in their own land. 

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

No they are not. I know its convenient to both side everything. But at some point it becomes intellectual laziness. However, I also give Palestinians some benefit of doubt. The situation is not easy and this is a very plausible outcome.

 

Based on my experience in Israel and also their education system, I believe this is not the case. In fact if anything it encourage leftist thought process and very scientific bent of mind ( making it is the most successful start up space in the world ). In fact, you may not be aware but there is a leftist community in Israel including the religious priests that oppose expansionism and Israel general policy towards Gaza. That's a liberal democracy with diversity of view points. Let someone say something against Hamas in Gaza. They will be nailed to the wall. There are 20% Arabs in Israel and they have more right there than in their own land. 

I know more than enough about region and its history.

 

That leftist community existed in past in Israel. Israel is keeping up with recent times, rightist politics which are ruling in many parts all over world.

 

I am not saying I have all answers but what is happening is a tragedy of epic proportions on both sides where innocent lives are being brutalized and wasted on both sides.

 

 

 

[mishra]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Gazans voted for Hamas in 2006. Now they pay the price. If they revolt, Hamas is doing the same or even worse than what they did to Jews. 

 

 

Dont fall for this. Gazans voted Hamas because they agree with Hamas ideology. The minority which want Hamas out has acceptaed that continuation of war with Israel will evntualy lead more loss in teritory and their living standards

[BacktoCricaddict]

Bibi propped up Hamas - a chilling take

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

 

Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products. Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.

 

Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza.

Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip.

 

The difference between Islamic Jihad and Hamas doesn’t matter much at this point. As far as the State of Israel is concerned, the territory is under the control of Hamas, and it is responsible for all the training and activities there. Hamas became stronger and used the auspices of peace that Israelis so longed for as cover for its training, and hundreds of Israelis have paid with their lives for this massive omission. The terror inflicted on the civilian population in Israel is so enormous that the wounds from it will not heal for years, a challenge compounded by the dozens abducted into Gaza. Judging by the way Netanyahu has managed Gaza in the last 13 years, it is not certain that there will be a clear policy going forward.

[BacktoCricaddict]

49 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Do you think kids in Israel and its settlements are not being taught to do the same.

I highly doubt it. While I agree that the toll on Palestinian civilians is unimaginably bad, I think the equivalence that you are proposing is a false one. They may be taught nonsense like "Arabs are dangerous," but not actively trained in warfare to destroy civilian lives.

[bharathh]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Do you think kids in Israel and its settlements are not being taught to do the same.

 

How long do you think a Jewish person last in Palestine? Compare this to the lives of Arabs in Israel. Quite a few Palestinian Arabs exist  as Israeli citizens in Israel and live normal lives.

 

Did you see that video of that kidnapped Jewish kid being bullied by other kids?

Edited October 12, 2023 by bharathh

[mishra]

42 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Do you think kids in Israel and its settlements are not being taught to do the same.

Only thing common in teaching on both sides to their Kids is that this is their land. But one side is teaching their kids to defend their turf, Other is teaching to kill all the inferiors and drive them away like their forefathers did.

 

PS: Arabs hold all of 10 million square km and are not agrreeing to give just 10K square km land to Jews. Reality is that Jews have lost their population, land , culture and religion centuries ago under barbaric system. Now in modern civilised world, they cant be treated same way and be given chance to survive

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

 

PS: Arabs hold all of 10 million square km and are not agrreeing to give just 10K square km land to Jews.

 

The problem is the concept of a "holy land." It is not *any* land, it is considered sacred. And each group believes that a supreme power has ordained that it belongs to their group.  Once that emotion is in play, all attempts at quantitative logic are futile.

Edited October 12, 2023 by BacktoCricaddict