Ravi Shastri on Shaheen Afridi

[the don]

12 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

It actually shows the class of Shaheen. Top wicket taker in the World Cup AGAIN. Even though no pressure from other spinners/pacers and pressure of big totals.

Yet, he’s not as good as he needs to be according to some Indians. 
 

Although some feedback on Pakistan system not setting up players for success is true. Specially injury rehab and rotation. Junaid Khan, Amir and many others have been casualties. 

One of the finest young bowles in the game. People mentioning him in the same sentence as average retired bowlers like Srinath and Kapil is laughworthy.

[deathmonger]

2 hours ago, the don said:

Why didnt Srinath and Kapil do the same.

They did abdooool, they did.

[deathmonger]

2 hours ago, the don said:

One of the finest young bowles in the game. People mentioning him in the same sentence as average retired bowlers like Srinath and Kapil is laughworthy.

Age fraud trundler with no swing.

 

Will retire in a few years to be a T20 merchant.

 

Nassem Shah next.

 

Pakistani fast bowler has 4 year lifespan.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, the don said:

Why didnt Srinath and Kapil do the same.

 

No one wants to promote Srinath and Kapil as the best bowlers in any format. They were pioneers (  Kapil first good pacer from India .. Srinath first genuine quick from India .. but neither of them were special bowlers for World cricket and we don't claim it either  ).

 

Shaheen was being promoted as the best white ball bowler during the early stages of the Asia Cup and many times before, by the Pakistanis and some pockets of the media. Hence this thread.

 

Shaheen is a good bowler. No question about it. But not a great one like Wasim till now. Thats the point Shastri was making. Accept it and move on. 

 

Too many posts about nothing !!

 

 

[the don]

1 minute ago, deathmonger said:

Age fraud trundler with no swing.

 

Will retire in a few years to be a T20 merchant.

 

Nassem Shah next.

 

Pakistani fast bowler has 4 year lifespan.

Ironically Umar gul was a better white ball bowler than Srinath and Dev. Not a bad example tbh.

[the don]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

No one wants to promote Srinath and Kapil as the best bowlers in any format. They were pioneers (  Kapil first good pacer from India .. Srinath first genuine quick from India .. but neither of them were special bowlers for World cricket and we don't claim it either  ).

 

Shaheen was being promoted as the best white ball bowler during the early stages of the Asia Cup and many times before, by the Pakistanis and some pockets of the media. Hence this thread.

 

Shaheen is a good bowler. No question about it. But not a great one like Wasim till now. Thats the point Shastri was making. Accept it and move on. 

 

Too many posts about nothing !!

 

 

Who said he is anywhere near Wasim. Let the guy play and develop.

[Gollum]

Shaheen has failed with the new ball, failed to finish off RSA tail. Just some cheap, impactless wickets, good stat padding but very average showing from neutral perspective. If Pakistani fans want to celebrate this kind of showing, good for them but some of us prefer to live in reality. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by Gollum

[deathmonger]

6 minutes ago, the don said:

Ironically Umar gul was a better white ball bowler than Srinath and Dev. Not a bad example tbh.

No one is saying he isn't.

 

Shaheen as Umar Gul and Babar as MoYo doesn't mean they are bad. It's basically what they are - good not great.

 

Umar Gul - Great T20 bowler, Good ODI bowler, Mediocre Test bowler

MoYo - Elegant accumulator who statpadded a bit against weaker attacks and has good stats

 

That describes Shaheen and Babar to a tee.

 

It's the Pakistani fans who try to make them Akram and Kohli.

[Gollum]

3 hours ago, the don said:

Why didnt Srinath and Kapil do the same.

Kapil has 434 test wickets, 9fer in an innings against 1983 WI, on his last legs owned Aus in Aus in a 5 test series. First let Shaheen save his team from home defeats against SENA bro. Let him first get to 200 test wickets, don't know who was the last Pak quick to achieve that, Umesh and Ishant have achieved more than all Pak quick bowlers of the last 20 years (in the format that counts), Shami and Bumrah are next level.  

Edited October 29, 2023 by Gollum

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, the don said:

Who said he is anywhere near Wasim. Let the guy play and develop.

 

Many people, including pockets of the media, were saying it till the early stages of this Asia Cup. He was being marketed as a super threat which he isn't. He is good but not great yet. 

[the don]

Just now, Gollum said:

Kapil has 434 test wickets, 9fer in an innings against 1983 WI, on his last legs owned Aus in Aus in a 5 test series. First let Shaheen save his team from home defeats against SENA bro. Let him first get to 200 test wickets, don't know who was the last Pak quick to achieve that, Umesh and Ishant have achieved more than all Pak quick bowlers of the last 20 years, Shami and Bumrah are next level.  

Exactly my point. Let HIM play. No need to put him down . Up and downs are a part of a young career. The fact that he’s still giving his all despite niggles is all i need to know abt his character.

[Gollum]

7 minutes ago, the don said:

Exactly my point. Let HIM play. No need to put him down . Up and downs are a part of a young career. The fact that he’s still giving his all despite niggles is all i need to know abt his character.

Nobody is putting him down. Basically Shastri said that don't compare him to Akram (who is also his good friend, remember Shaz and Waz show?), that was the entire conversation in a nutshell. And for the sake of players it is better if they aren't compared with established all time greats or GOATs, too much pressure otherwise. Shaheen and Naseem have potential, plenty of scope for improvement as well, if they keep their heads down and fulfil their potential they will get genuine praise 10 years down the line and have their own identity instead of 2nd Akram or 3rd Waqar. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by Gollum

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, Gollum said:

Nobody is putting him down. Basically Shastri said that don't compare him to Akram (who is also his good friend, remember Shaz and Waz show?), that was the entire conversation in a nutshell. And for the sake of players it is better if they aren't compared with established all time greats or GOATs, too much pressure otherwise. Shaheen and Naseem have potential, plenty of scope for improvement as well, if they keep their heads down and fulfil their potential they will get genuine praise 10 years down the line and have their own identity instead of 2nd Akram or 3rd Waqar. 

In 4 yr from now, shaheen will have faded away from most formats (except for t20s), and the decline of naseem will be starting too. the way that PCB handles even their good (not great) bowlers is a travesty

[singhvivek141]

5 hours ago, the don said:

Ironically Umar gul was a better white ball bowler than Srinath and Dev. Not a bad example tbh.

Same Gul who was smashed to pieces by Sehwag in 2011 WC ?

Dev won 1983 WC under his captaincy by contributing with both bat & ball at age of 24, defeating might West Indies twice...

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, the don said:

Exactly my point. Let HIM play. No need to put him down . Up and downs are a part of a young career. The fact that he’s still giving his all despite niggles is all i need to know abt his character.

No one is putting him down, its Pakistani softies who are getting mushy mushy because an Indian spoke truth about their future Wasim Akram, and ended their Euphoria.

 

Again, he is suited for T20's and a condition dependent new ball bowler in ODI's & Tests. That's the reality, and it's not a bad thing. He can still be effective if his partners are choosen carefully. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by singhvivek141

[deathmonger]

Shami and Bumrah today had impact wickets. All bowled or caught behind - not on slogs lol.

[Vijy]

4 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

No one is putting him down, its Pakistani softies who are getting mushy mushy because an Indian showed their future Wasim akram his true place.

 

Again, he is suited for T20's and a condition dependent new ball bowler in ODI's & Tests. That's the reality, he is not like Wasim Akram who was genuinely the best bowler in the history of Pakistan.

yep, akram achieved much more. and was also more fit.

[putrevus]

On 10/29/2023 at 6:57 AM, the don said:

Ironically Umar gul was a better white ball bowler than Srinath and Dev. Not a bad example tbh.

Kapil was better white ball bowler than Imran khan and 100 times better attacking batsman than Imran khan .

 

 

He was winner who beat the most dominant team ever WI when your guy laid a giant egg.

 

 

 

So stop your nonsensical comparison of a legend like Kapil nobody with  likes of Shaheen or Umar Gul.We all know how great your Gul was , he has still not recovered from the beating he took from Sehwag.

 

There was one genuine great bowler in all formats from Pakistan that was Wasim Akram. Every Indian gives him respect.

 

 

[Mesky99]

On 10/29/2023 at 8:11 AM, the don said:

One of the finest young bowles in the game. People mentioning him in the same sentence as average retired bowlers like Srinath and Kapil is laughworthy.

Srinath was much better, don't even get started, Shaheen picks up cheap wickets, mostly when the batters throw it away.

[tapandrun]

Unfair comparison One is established great and another one is a good bowler who had good 1 or 2 years.

 

Akram will make into any world 11 in last 30-35 years, was very skillful. 

 

As mentioned above looks like he is also going Amir's way - Losing the pace, no-more a shadow of himself. Do not think he is still injured.

Just lost pace after injury, have heard it takes year or two to  gain full pace in case of shoulder injury, not sure of knee injury. Might not want to put too much load on that knee may have been the cause of reduced pace, or may have got into touch on some Ind coach suggesting line length/longevity crap