Why chaos and madness defending 240

[ungboysj]

It's amazing how much chaos and stupidity was at show in defence

 

It wasn't  a great total but one you can defend in your own home esp from 50/3

 

Opened with shami not siraj though siraj is a specialist.siraj didn't bowl till almost 20th over

 

10 overs of shami and bumrah bowled in first 10 leaving only 10 overs from your best bowlers so early 

 

2 spinners from 10th over even though ball was swinging rather than bringing pace and spin combo

 

Never tried to slow down the game everything was happening fast paced

 

No attacking field to get wickets

 

If they slowed game down and strategise to get head out India could have won it

 

It was pure chaos almost india gave up

 

Was it a collective panic attack of team india

[Frustrated]

Rohit had no confidence in Siraj.  He was desperately looking for another quick wicket (after Aus were 47/3).  So, he had to continue with Shami & a spinner from other end. Not having a slip made matters worse.     But bringing in Siraj early would hv made a difference?   I don't think so.  Siraj was trash in that game and the previous one (vs NZ).   

Edited November 22, 2023 by Frustrated

[srgadjon]

He brought in spinners early expecting the ball to slow up and grip as it did in first innings but under lights, the ball was skidding on and coming onto bat lot better. They were easily able to score one boundary every over, which meant you can't over attack (with close in fielders) as India was already defending a small score. As the partnership built, they were trying to bowl some tight overs and build pressure that way but didn't work as batting got too easy.

 

Credit also to Head for his.innings, played a great innings under pressure.

Edited November 22, 2023 by srgadjon

[MediumPacer]

Indian cricket is characterized with poor technique and tactics with the ball and in the field.We tend to rely heavily on conditions else cant make the required adjustment.One example would be our struggle against left handers.

 

 

Pretty sure aus would have won had they bowled in those conditions.

[Suhaan]

6 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Rohit had no confidence in Siraj.  He was desperately looking for another quick wicket (after Aus were 47/3).  So, he had to continue with Shami & a spinner from other end. Not having a slip made matters worse.     But bringing in Siraj early would hv made a difference?   I don't think so.  Siraj was trash in that game and the previous one (vs NZ).   

They should have brought in Prasidh in place of him just to see how he does in league stages

Who knows we could have got another Shami moment with Prasidh who came in the xi once Pandya was injured

Prasidh hasnt done any bad in matches he's played

Siraj looked exhausted ,he has continuously played since last Aug/Sept

[Frustrated]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

They should have brought in Prasidh in place of him just to see how he does in league stages

Who knows we could have got another Shami moment with Prasidh who came in the xi once Pandya was injured

Prasidh hasnt done any bad in matches he's played

Siraj looked exhausted ,he has continuously played since last Aug/Sept

The moment Siraj dismissed De Kock , I knew he won't be replaced in remaining games.   That game vs SA was our 2nd last game of league stage (very cose to the semis).   And they didn't want to take the gamble of altering the winning11. 

Edited November 22, 2023 by Frustrated

[the don]

Big game panic. The relentless line and length that India had bowled earlier in the tourney was sufficient. The bowlers tried too much and the field for the spinners was devoid of thought. Big game panic. India should have won.

[AKane]

The only time they defended a low total was 229 vs England at Lucknow where the pitch curator has been fired.

England collapsed so bad that it was not much of a test for the team.

 

Aus did not collapse and the team did not know how to deal with that situation. Indeed after Head and Labuschagne went from 47/3 to 80/3.... panic had set in and things were being done wildly in prayer of a wicket instead of working hard for a wicket. Siraj bowling in over 20 is not new. We regularly treat pacer 3 and 4 like this when under pressure.

 

Lastly Bumrah and Shami are on a pedestal in Indian team mgt and all the way down to this msg board. Siraj and company are whipping boys. Prasidh is being mentioned because he was not on the team. If he enters the team with Bumrah and Shami, Prasidh will become a whipping boy too at the slightest instance of failure.

 

Bumrah and Shami are as worshipped by Indian establishment and fans as bowlers as  Rohit and Kohli are as batsmen.

 

Prediction: If we get whipped in SAf in tests like I think we will and bowlers are Bumrah + Shami + A + B as pace bowlers and C as the spinner..... blame will be heaped on A, B, C.  Bumrah and Shami are beyond reproach. 

 

For example in the two 10 wicket losses in T20 WC, Mohammad Shami was the worst performing pace bowler. The brickbats though are thrown at Bhuvaneshwar( by me too ). Nothing against Mohammad "Malcolm Marshall" Shami.

[Lord]

They choked big time

[vvvslaxman]

Indian bowlers choked both in semis and finals. Just that bigger total saved us alongwith Shami in the semi final. 50 run less game was on in the semis as well. They did not handle the pressure well. Australia fielding rarely wilts under pressure in knock out scenario. They become 10 times better than they are. India cannot do that as they are not good fielders to begin with.  Having such fielding unit saves you 20 ro 25 runs. Having weak fielding unit inspire less confidence. Overall Australia was vastly superior in terms of handilng of pressure.  Australia had to play on a tricky Eden Gardens pitch. They beat all the odds nad trounced two choker teams.

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, ungboysj said:

It's amazing how much chaos and stupidity was at show in defence

 

It wasn't  a great total but one you can defend in your own home esp from 50/3

 

Opened with shami not siraj though siraj is a specialist.siraj didn't bowl till almost 20th over

 

10 overs of shami and bumrah bowled in first 10 leaving only 10 overs from your best bowlers so early 

 

2 spinners from 10th over even though ball was swinging rather than bringing pace and spin combo

 

Never tried to slow down the game everything was happening fast paced

 

No attacking field to get wickets

 

If they slowed game down and strategise to get head out India could have won it

 

It was pure chaos almost india gave up

 

Was it a collective panic attack of team india

bro, im here still

[Serpico]

1 hour ago, srgadjon said:

He brought in spinners early expecting the ball to slow up and grip as it did in first innings but under lights, the ball was skidding on and coming onto bat lot better. They were easily able to score one boundary every over, which meant you can't over attack (with close in fielders) as India was already defending a small score. As the partnership built, they were trying to bowl some tight overs and build pressure that way but didn't work as batting got too easy.

 

Credit also to Head for his.innings, played a great innings under pressure.

I thought he brought spinners early because dew will make them less effective later 

[Nikhil_cric]

12 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

Indian cricket is characterized with poor technique and tactics with the ball and in the field.We tend to rely heavily on conditions else cant make the required adjustment.One example would be our struggle against left handers.

 

 

Pretty sure aus would have won had they bowled in those conditions.

Australia wouldn't have defended 240.  No chance of that happening.    Maybe 280-290 but anything less and India would have chased it down.