Indian pace attack for World T20 2024.

[BacktoCricaddict]

37 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

Who will keep , budbak?

Has to be Rinku. He doesn't bowl, so ...

[Lord]

8 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

I first read Harshit as Harshal and went ... WTF is Lord smoking today? :-)

 

Actually now that you say it, Harshal won't be bad on those sticky pitches too

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Has to be Rinku. He doesn't bowl, so ...

 

Raja Rinku Singh can do everything.

 

He'll keep but also field on the boundary once batsman connects

[BacktoCricaddict]

Just now, Lord said:

 

Actually now that you say it, Harshal won't be bad on those sticky pitches too

24 slower balls, each slower than the other.

[Texan]

As much as he is disliked here, Bhuvneshwar Kumar still seems like our best option after Bumrah. Prasidh was given a chance, but he disappointed. Avesh Khan is a disaster and I am not convinced about Arshdeep.

[R!TTER]

21 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

each slower than the other.

Can he bowl at negative speeds velocity & make the bowl go back in time

Edited November 28, 2023 by R!TTER

[Nash]

49 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

24 slower balls, each slower than the other.

He will start with 124 kmh speed and end with 100.  

[AKane]

Bumrah has become an amalgam of Garner+Holding+Marshall+Ambrose+......  Bumrah this, Bumrah that, Bumrah here, Bumrah there, Bumrah everywhere.

 

I mean he is a good bowler but has mythical status in India. Has laid an egg on plenty of occasions too.

 

Prediction: Bumrah will do jack crap in must win matches in T20 WC in WI. Lets see what he does in the SAf test series too.

[TellTheTruth]

22 minutes ago, AKane said:

Bumrah has become an amalgam of Garner+Holding+Marshall+Ambrose+......  Bumrah this, Bumrah that, Bumrah here, Bumrah there, Bumrah everywhere.

 

I mean he is a good bowler but has mythical status in India. Has laid an egg on plenty of occasions too.

 

Prediction: Bumrah will do jack crap in must win matches in T20 WC in WI. Lets see what he does in the SAf test series too.

Until another Indian pace bowler can come in and take 350 international wickets averaging low 20s in all 3 formats he deserves that mythical status. the gap between him and the 2nd best all format Indian pacer in the t20 era is massive.

[AKane]

14 minutes ago, TellTheTruth said:

Until another Indian pace bowler can come in and take 350 international wickets averaging low 20s in all 3 formats he deserves that mythical status.

This is the same that Kohli fans say about 50 centuries etc.

 

Let us see the test series wins in NZ/SA/Aus(when full team plays) and ICC trophies.... until then its just numbers on the bowling side instead of the batting side.

[TellTheTruth]

11 minutes ago, AKane said:

This is the same that Kohli fans say about 50 centuries etc.

 

Let us see the test series wins in NZ/SA/Aus(when full team plays) and ICC trophies.... until then its just numbers on the bowling side instead of the batting side.

bumrah is already indias greatest match winner ever in sena test matches already, even if he retired tomorrow.

[Need4Speed]

how about Mohit Sharma, he has got experience and variety and confidence to execute his plan..

I dont want to fall back to these oldies but I am not finding anyone reliable after Bumrah..

and we dont seem to be grooming Harshit,Sen,Yadav etc

[AKane]

1 hour ago, TellTheTruth said:

bumrah is already indias greatest match winner ever in sena test matches already, even if he retired tomorrow.

Er.... he is not. You may like him but that does not make facts.

 

1) SA - We have never won or drawn a test series against SA since Bumrah started playing. He did bowl well in a dead series that SA had already won 2-0 in his first try. Second series he bowled well in first match(5 wkts) but Shami bowled better(8 wkts). We still lost that series.

 

2) England - We have never won a series in England since Bumrah started playing. Lost 4-1 and drew 2-2. In the 2-2 series in the two matches  India won Bumrah had 4 wickets in each match. Siraj had 8 in one and Umesh Yadav had 6 in the other.

 

3) NZ - India has never won a match never mind a series playing against NZ in NZ since Bumrah started playing tests.

 

Never mind his performance of zip wickets in WTC vs NZ

 

4) Aus - Bumrah certainly bowled well in the first Aus series we won where they played minus Smith and Warner. Was MoM in second win there. His contribution in the second more memorable series was certainly not as much as Siraj. One win he had 6 wickets and Siraj 5, second Gabba match we won he did not play where Siraj had 6 wickets and Thakur 7.

 

 

 

 

Compare to Zaheer Khan.

 

1) Eng  - 2007 India won test series vs England 1-0 and Zaheer was MoM with 9 wickets in the match we won.

2) NZ - 2008/09 India won test series vs NZ 1-0. Zaheer had 3 wickets in the won match, Hero Harbhajan had 7.

3) SA - 2010/11 India drew series with SA 1-1. In the match we won Zaheer had 6 wickets. Reason I point out the drawn series in SA is that is the only one drawn. All others were lost.

 

So Bumrah is not..."greatest match winner". 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 28, 2023 by AKane

[AKane]

See ok Bumrah  is a good bowler - but goes missing a lot of times. Bumrah, Bumrah is almost as bad as Sachin, Sachin was.

 

I think a young Kapil was as good if not better in the days of "those" umpires like Rex Whitehead and Shakoor Rana. Of course as a batsman there is no comparison and unlike Kapil, Bumrah is a liability while fielding.

Edited November 28, 2023 by AKane

[TellTheTruth]

36 minutes ago, AKane said:

Er.... he is not. You may like him but that does not make facts.

 

1) SA - We have never won or drawn a test series against SA since Bumrah started playing. He did bowl well in a dead series that SA had already won 2-0 in his first try. Second series he bowled well in first match(5 wkts) but Shami bowled better(8 wkts). We still lost that series.

 

2) England - We have never won a series in England since Bumrah started playing. Lost 4-1 and drew 2-2. In the 2-2 series in the two matches  India won Bumrah had 4 wickets in each match. Siraj had 8 in one and Umesh Yadav had 6 in the other.

 

3) NZ - India has never won a match never mind a series playing against NZ in NZ since Bumrah started playing tests.

 

Never mind his performance of zip wickets in WTC vs NZ

 

4) Aus - Bumrah certainly bowled well in the first Aus series we won where they played minus Smith and Warner. Was MoM in second win there. His contribution in the second more memorable series was certainly not as much as Siraj. One win he had 6 wickets and Siraj 5, second Gabba match we won he did not play where Siraj had 6 wickets and Thakur 7.

 

 

 

 

Compare to Zaheer Khan.

 

1) Eng  - 2007 India won test series vs England 1-0 and Zaheer was MoM with 9 wickets in the match we won.

2) NZ - 2008/09 India won test series vs NZ 1-0. Zaheer had 3 wickets in the won match, Hero Harbhajan had 7.

3) SA - 2010/11 India drew series with SA 1-1. In the match we won Zaheer had 6 wickets. Reason I point out the drawn series in SA is that is the only one drawn. All others were lost.

 

So Bumrah is not..."greatest match winner". 

 

 

 

 

Match winner in that Bumrah is already well ahead of any other indian cricketer in wickets taken in won matches in sena. 

[IndianRenegade]

Does it matter if Bumrah is the greatest or not? we don't need to be the greatest, england didn't have their greatest bowlers in the line up when they won T20 WC , neither did Aus.

 

Bumrah isn't the problem, we don't need to worry about him. who are the rest? Shami/Siraj? then who are our spinners Bishnoi/Axar/jaddu? already a long tail for this format. We need to groom one of our batters to be a good part timer, this dumb think tank doesn't want to try that out even in these dead rubber bilaterals.

Edited November 29, 2023 by IndianRenegade

[AKane]

1 hour ago, IndianRenegade said:

Bumrah isn't the problem, we don't need to worry about him. who are the rest?

Ok he is not the biggest problem.... However one wonders. He went missing in the WC SF but Shami bailed him out... fine not everyday can one play well. Then the final was very underwhelming too. Smith was not even out and Marsh played a whatever shot.

 

The WTC with NZ was  another less than underwhelming performance.

 

I am in the minority but we have not been winning much with Bumrah when the crunch time comes. I agree fast bowlers cannot perform all the time - but the main strike bowler on big stage matches cannot lay an egg. Teams don't recover from things like that. WTC zero wickets, Root/Bairstow partnership, WC SF performance, WC Final performance, Pak WC T20 match with 10 wicket defeat..... It is becoming a pattern.

 

 

[tapandrun]

Every bowler in T20s goes for runs unless they are Malinga or Mistry spinners. The best bet would be to have allrounders, which teams like Aus and Eng has understood.

Bowlers should be capable hitters and batter should be able to bowl few overs.

 

Ind is playing batters who can not bowl and bowlers who can not be trusted with 6 ball 10 run to win situation. 

There is no template t20 bowler or no team has been able to identify one, teams now gearing up to chase anything between 180-220 with extended batting and proper t20 batters which Ind TM and selectors are not understanding.

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by tapandrun

[Vijy]

30 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Every bowler in T20s goes for runs unless they are Malinga or Mistry spinners. The best bet would be to have allrounders, which teams like Aus and Eng has understood.

Bowlers should be capable hitters and batter should be able to bowl few overs.

 

Ind is playing batters who can not bowl and bowlers who can not be trusted with 6 ball 10 run to win situation. 

There is no template t20 bowler or no team has been able to identify one, teams now gearing up to chase anything between 180-220 with extended batting and proper t20 batters which Ind TM and selectors are not understanding.

 

 

 

to be fair, they have only brain cell that is shared between all of them. that poor cell is getting overworked, and not being paid overtime

[TellTheTruth]

15 hours ago, AKane said:

Ok he is not the biggest problem.... However one wonders. He went missing in the WC SF but Shami bailed him out... fine not everyday can one play well. Then the final was very underwhelming too. Smith was not even out and Marsh played a whatever shot.

 

The WTC with NZ was  another less than underwhelming performance.

 

I am in the minority but we have not been winning much with Bumrah when the crunch time comes. I agree fast bowlers cannot perform all the time - but the main strike bowler on big stage matches cannot lay an egg. Teams don't recover from things like that. WTC zero wickets, Root/Bairstow partnership, WC SF performance, WC Final performance, Pak WC T20 match with 10 wicket defeat..... It is becoming a pattern.

 

 

You can make this type of one sided over analysis to make any non Australian bowler into a choker. 

 

for example : with shami, Shami chocked in the finals, bumrah went 2-20 in the opening overs giving india a chance and shami gave away the match by leaking runs and going at nearly 7 runs an over defending a small total. Sure shami bowled well in the semis but he also chocked any easy catch of bumrah bowlings that would have made the win easier, and had his partner robed of good numbers for his good bowling, selfish.  He also went missing in the 2015 world cup semi final going 0-68. he got out bowled by mohit sharma and umesh yadav. He also flopped in the one WTC he was the leader of the attack getting out bowled by young siraj. In the 2021 t20 world cup his bowling cost India the game vs pakistan and he flopped again vs new zealand as bumrah valiantly fought and bowled his heart out and went 2/14 in 4 overs to try and win the game and shami wasn't even trusted to bowl a second over. in the 2022 t20 world cup he flopped again and needed youngster arshdeep to bail him out to avoid another loss to pakistan, then he chocked in the semi finals giving away 0-39 in just 3 overs after being carried the whole tournament.

 

Obviously what I wrote above is nonsense but people make basically the same type of arguments against bumrah because of how consistently good he has been since his debut. Other bowlers we understand its part of the game. Bumrah struggles we think their is something wrong because of how freakishly consistent he has been across formats.

Edited November 29, 2023 by TellTheTruth