RANJI TROPHY |2023/24|

[Suhaan]

4 hours ago, Vijy said:

good plan. he should become an AR

Although I thought you were kidding but it really has some sense

Our pacers  should aim to become better with the bat without compromising on bowling like SENA sides,this is where trophies are won and lost

[Naveed12]

Ranji Trophy 2023/24 Overview:

The 89th edition of the Ranji Trophy, India's premier first-class cricket tournament, features 38 teams in four elite groups and a plate group. Running from January 5th to March 14th, 2024, the tournament showcases thrilling double round-robin matches, leading to knockout stages.

Current Standings:

1. Elite Group A: Vidarbha leads with 23 points.
2. Elite Group B: Bengal leads with 27 points.
3. Elite Group C: Madhya Pradesh leads with 24 points.
4. Elite Group D: Delhi leads with 26 points.
5. Plate Group: Hyderabad leads with 27 points.

Exciting Performances:

1. Jalaj Saxena (Kerala): Nine-wicket haul against Andhra Pradesh.
2. Shreyas Iyer (Mumbai): Unbeaten 267 against Goa.
3. Ruturaj Gaikwad (Maharashtra): Dominant century against Manipur.

[abc]

8 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

You seem butthurt? Tripura ain't no weak team they only lost by 29 runs against Tamil Nadu, let me know when any of these south states produce a bumrah or a pandya, baroda now has limbani as well. Gujarat has three ranji trophy teams, Tamil Nadu even with one can't win anything.

I an definitely a Tripura fan (just check out any of my earlier posts on Tripura ...). I was just trolling someone who was clearly over hyping a mediocre Gujarat team ...

Edit: I also assumed that someone so jingoistic about one of the old established teams would also badly underestimate a team like Tripura.

Edited February 13 by abc

[Mesky99]

11 minutes ago, abc said:

I an definitely a Tripura fan (just check out any of my earlier posts on Tripura ...). I was just trolling someone who was clearly over hyping a mediocre Gujarat team ...

Edit: I also assumed that someone so jingoistic about one of the old established teams would also badly underestimate a team like Tripura.

Mediocre Gujarat produced a bumrah whereas south churns out vasuki, Prasidh, m Mohammad etc, Gujarat with its three teams gives out way better players.

[vvvslaxman]

Who is the best left arm seamer in Indian circuit? Arshdeep is the only one who is playing for India at this point. Most of the others are trundlers. This Moshin flattered to deceive. India needs a bit of variety in their attack. Also a proper test match leggie is not to be found. I think India shouldn't go by stats in case of leggie. Sometimes they may not have the numbers in domestic due to pitches. But if you see some potential you should back them.

[tweaker]

39 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Who is the best left arm seamer in Indian circuit? Arshdeep is the only one who is playing for India at this point. Most of the others are trundlers. This Moshin flattered to deceive. India needs a bit of variety in their attack. Also a proper test match leggie is not to be found. I think India shouldn't go by stats in case of leggie. Sometimes they may not have the numbers in domestic due to pitches. But if you see some potential you should back them.

Bishnoi,Rahul.Chahar should be groomed for the leg spinner spot and should be given more exposure by selecting in A tours

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, tweaker said:

Bishnoi,Rahul.Chahar should be groomed for the leg spinner spot and should be given more exposure by selecting in A tours

 

They don't have long term vision. THey take the easy route of backing all IPL success across the formats.

[Mesky99]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

Who is the best left arm seamer in Indian circuit? Arshdeep is the only one who is playing for India at this point. Most of the others are trundlers. This Moshin flattered to deceive. India needs a bit of variety in their attack. Also a proper test match leggie is not to be found. I think India shouldn't go by stats in case of leggie. Sometimes they may not have the numbers in domestic due to pitches. But if you see some potential you should back them.

In terms of potential prithiviraj Yarra, khaleel and Mukesh Choudhury 

[singhvivek141]

12 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Who is the best left arm seamer in Indian circuit? Arshdeep is the only one who is playing for India at this point. Most of the others are trundlers. This Moshin flattered to deceive. India needs a bit of variety in their attack. Also a proper test match leggie is not to be found. I think India shouldn't go by stats in case of leggie. Sometimes they may not have the numbers in domestic due to pitches. But if you see some potential you should back them.

Mohsin is fine for T20's, hard to hit.

For other formats he don't have stamina though. He is unfit and looks like Azam Khan lite.

 

Sushant, Akash Singh, Prithviraj & Mukesh C are next in line. I dont consider Khaleel as he is another Mukesh Kumar with bat & on field. Prithviraj is the quickest while Mukesh C gets the most amount of swing from the names above.

[singhvivek141]

13 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

Mediocre Gujarat produced a bumrah whereas south churns out vasuki, Prasidh, m Mohammad etc, Gujarat with its three teams gives out way better players.

Tbh...Bumrah is once a generation bowler. I dont think we ever produced a bowler like Bumrah even in past. 

If we exclude the current top tier bowlers like Bumrah & Shami...I think every state (except UP, J&K and Rajasthan) is lacking fast bowlers

 

Southern states does have fast bowlers...likes of Prithviraj, Lokesh R are fast bowlers. However, firstly the state associations & secondly the pitches are non conducive for the fast bowlers.

 

Someone like Sandeep Warrier or HS Sarath were completely wasted by their respective state associations. Sarath despite being a strong performer had to sit on bench because trundlers like Mithun, Aravind & Vinay Kumar were sitting on the throne as defacto choice. 

 

Same is happening in UP & Rajasthan..where trundlers like Yash, Aaqib, Rajpoot, Aniket, Tanveer, Khaleel, Arafat etc are blocking the spaces for K Tyagi, Purnank Tyagi, Vishal Godara, Yogesh Doyla, Ashok Sharma etc.

Edited February 14 by singhvivek141

[Suhaan]

12 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

They don't have long term vision. THey take the easy route of backing all IPL success across the formats.

They have vision to pamper already established (overrated) seniors,that is more important

[Vijy]

23 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Although I thought you were kidding but it really has some sense

Our pacers  should aim to become better with the bat without compromising on bowling like SENA sides,this is where trophies are won and lost

I wasn't kidding. sides like J&K have zero chance of winning ranjis. sole focus should be on maximizing genuine talents and serving as feeders for Ind A and main Ind team. hence, likes of jurel and kishan and promising keeper-batters should bat at 3, 4 or 5 in domestics, likes of tilak varma and rinku and other promising batters with some bowling ability should bowl 10 overs per innings, and umran and other bowlers with some batting ability should bat at 5 or 6.

Edited February 14 by Vijy

[Vijy]

@Gollum@express bowling@Suhaan@singhvivek141@vvvslaxman@SRT100

 

Now that more than half of the Ranji trophy is over, here are my prelim thoughts on the top 15 run scorers so far.

 

Batting:

 

1. Ricky Bhui: He is 27 and not young. But, in the matches I saw in the past, Bhui was always a solid player, though never looked fully int'l class. Appears to have turned around his batting in the past few years, with 55+ FC avg in that period. Has the ability to keep. Worth an Ind A series IMO.

2. N Jagdeesan: Strikes me as a hack who scores huge against weak teams, and also relies a lot on purple patches instead of consistency. Ability to keep is certainly valuable. Not convinced by him despite a fine FC record.

3. Baby Sachin: At 35, he is a domestic vet, but should not go any higher. We need players like him in domestics to maintain a certain level of quality, but such players will always be a long way short of int'l class.

4. Che Poo: We know what we get with Mr. Poo. domestic legend, who is now much short of int'l class.

5. Suyash Prabhudessai: this has been a breakout season for him (100s vs TN, Kar, Chandigarh). ability to bowl is a distinct bonus. should be given an Ind A stint.

6. Rajat Paliwal: At 32, domestic vet who has represented Ind A. fine player, but not int'l quality. see comment regd Baby Sachin.

7. Jyotsnil Singh: don't know anything about him, but seems to have some bowling ability. not that young at 26 (only 16 FC matches).

8. Aryan Juyal: At 22, age is clearly on his side. opens the batting and keeps too. a real prospect IMO. should be playing Ind A regularly.

9. Devdutt Padikkal: in a rich vein of form. good that he has been playing for Ind A, and is now in Ind squad.

10. Ankit Bawne: one of my fav domestic batters. has played FC cricket for more than 16 years, yet is only 31 now. may not be int'l class (although I dispute that), but I have always liked his old-school batting.

11. Shashwat Rawat: played for India U19, and is only 22. has a decent FC record, but I don't know anything about him.

12. Umang Kumar: didn't score a single 100 this season or in his FC career. doesn't seem to be a big-scoring bat.

13. Bhupen Lalwani: done well this season, but not much FC experience.

14. Aditya Tare: time's up now at 36, but was a solid keeper-batter in domestics for over a decade.

15. Anustup Majumdar: At 39, he has been a boom-or-bust batter for bengal. pity that he never honed his big turning leggies.

Edited February 14 by Vijy

[Vijy]

@Gollum@express bowling@Suhaan@singhvivek141@vvvslaxman@SRT100

 

Now that more than half of the Ranji trophy is over, here are my prelim thoughts on the top 15 wicket takers so far.

 

1. Hitesh Walunj: No idea about this SLA, but his age (31) is a detriment. very impressive ranji season though, with 6 hauls of 4 wkts (or more) in an innings out of 12 innings. in other words, he has taken out a big chunk of the opposition in 50% of the innings.

2. Gaurav Yadav: his best days are behind him at 32, but was easily a bowler operating in 140s at his peak. had control, pace, and seam IIRC. not the best use of talent, even though Ind did have a strong group of pacers (Boom, umesh, shami, ishant, even boobi).

3. Sagar Udeshi: This old man (37 yr old) SLA has a great FC record, but mostly vs weak teams in the past. however, such consistent domestic performers are needed to sustain FC cricket, even when they are short of int'l class.

4. Deepak Dhapola: much of what I wrote for Udeshi applies to this 33 yr old trundler.

5. Sai Kishore: should be playing Ind A, and should be close to Ind squad too at age of 27. tall, accurate, intelligent SLA spinner. can field decently and bats solidly too (has FC batting avg of nearly 24 this season). could be a good bowler who bats at no. 8 or no. 9.

6. Jalaj Saxena: perhaps Ind's best domestic bowler of last 10 years, irrespective of bowling type. At 37, he is far too old, and batting has declined hugely compared to the past, yet I am glad that this veteran off spinner is playing domestics. should have played in some home tests at his peak in the past IMO.

7. Rajesh Mohanty: he is young (23), has experience, and a great domestic record. however, I have seen him, and he is a bona fide trundler. not int'l class.

8. Kumar Kartikeya: one more SLA similar to sai kishore in age (kartikeya is 26). has the ability to bowl some wrist spin as well. excellent FC record, but I feel he pads his record a bit too much vs weak teams or helpful pitches. however, his domestic record is very good, and he can bat somewhat. should be in the mix for Ind A.

9. Dharmendrasinh Jadeja: A bit like Sir Jaddu. this 33 yr old SLA is also quite accurate and aggressive, and tends to pick up a lot of wkts on dustbowls. can bat as well, but I feel that sai kishore and kumar kartikeya are younger and more promising.

10. V Vyshak: at 27, he is on the slightly older side, and does not have much pace. however, he does bend his back and tries hard, with some reverse swing ability. can also bat somewhat (batting avg of 20 this season). not Ind A level, but a good domestic pacer.

11. Aditya Thakare: have not seen much of his 25 yr old with great domestic record, but my impression is that he is a trundler and not int'l class.

12. Darshan Misal: I remembered this 31 yr old SLA as a bits-and-pieces player, but for some reason, he has done well with the ball this season.

13. Mohit Avasthi: has had an excellent ranji season this time (13 bowling avg), and can bat (batting avg of 24 in his career). but he is 31 and a complete trundler. clearly not Ind material, and not even Ind A class.

14. himanshu chauhan: has pace (can push into 140s), height, bounce, and accuracy. great record so far (about 3 wkts per innings, i.e., 6 per completed match). should be fast tracked into Ind A asap.

15. Akash Pandey: don't know anything about this 25 yr old SLA, apart from his excellent FC bowling record and the fact that he can bat somewhat (batting avg of 21).

[Need4Speed]

Great Summary @Vijy from all this data Himanshu seems to be most promising who needs to be groomed timely..

also, Aryan Juyal,Sai Kishore,Kumar Kartikeya and Ricky Bhui need some opportunities at A level..

Paddikkal is already in higher level..

 

I also liked Ankit Bawne’s record..I remember he was talked bery highly during his u19 days but there was some age issues which made him miss u19 wcup bus..probably BCCI never liked him due to tgat..thats why he was never the talking point even for India A selections..

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, Need4Speed said:

Great Summary @Vijy from all this data Himanshu seems to be most promising who needs to be groomed timely..

also, Aryan Juyal,Sai Kishore,Kumar Kartikeya and Ricky Bhui need some opportunities at A level..

Paddikkal is already in higher level..

 

I also liked Ankit Bawne’s record..I remember he was talked bery highly during his u19 days but there was some age issues which made him miss u19 wcup bus..probably BCCI never liked him due to tgat..thats why he was never the talking point even for India A selections..

I don't remember bawne age-fudging. he played his first FC game at 14-15, which may or may not be accurate.

 

agree with the people who you singled out.

[deepdynamo]

Indian selectors are notorious for backing wrong pacers.

Navdeep Saini comes to mind. Avesh and Mukesh are latest in pack. They even tried Arshdeep to be a red ball bowler ( but he failed against lions)

Prasidh Krishna chapter is closed though.

The cupboard is bare after Bumrah, Shami & Siraj.
The search is still on .

 

[Mesky99]

4 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Tbh...Bumrah is once a generation bowler. I dont think we ever produced a bowler like Bumrah even in past. 

If we exclude the current top tier bowlers like Bumrah & Shami...I think every state (except UP, J&K and Rajasthan) is lacking fast bowlers

 

Southern states does have fast bowlers...likes of Prithviraj, Lokesh R are fast bowlers. However, firstly the state associations & secondly the pitches are non conducive for the fast bowlers.

 

Someone like Sandeep Warrier or HS Sarath were completely wasted by their respective state associations. Sarath despite being a strong performer had to sit on bench because trundlers like Mithun, Aravind & Vinay Kumar were sitting on the throne as defacto choice. 

 

Same is happening in UP & Rajasthan..where trundlers like Yash, Aaqib, Rajpoot, Aniket, Tanveer, Khaleel, Arafat etc are blocking the spaces for K Tyagi, Purnank Tyagi, Vishal Godara, Yogesh Doyla, Ashok Sharma etc.

Vidharbha are decent with Pacers, all three Gujarat ranji teams combined have bumrah, pandya, limbani, baba shafi Pathan, nagaswallah, young lad priyajitsinh picked up a ten wicket haul, atit ****.

[tweaker]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

I don't remember bawne age-fudging. he played his first FC game at 14-15, which may or may not be accurate.

 

agree with the people who you singled out.

Bawne’s initial story was one filled with irony. Due to an unfortunate discrepancy in his birth date details in his passport and birth certificate, he was declared ineligible to represent India at the U-19 World Cup. It could have been Bawne’s tryst with destiny, but it was not to be.

The Maharashtrian was originally selected as the captain of the Indian Under-19 side, but he was supplanted by Unmukt Chand who went on to lead the team to victory in the 2012 edition of the tournament. While Chand became a renowned face nationwide, Bawne was left in the wilderness.

[Vijy]

5 hours ago, tweaker said:

Bawne’s initial story was one filled with irony. Due to an unfortunate discrepancy in his birth date details in his passport and birth certificate, he was declared ineligible to represent India at the U-19 World Cup. It could have been Bawne’s tryst with destiny, but it was not to be.

The Maharashtrian was originally selected as the captain of the Indian Under-19 side, but he was supplanted by Unmukt Chand who went on to lead the team to victory in the 2012 edition of the tournament. While Chand became a renowned face nationwide, Bawne was left in the wilderness.

Hmm... so he was an age fudger?