The problem with Indian fans & BCCI

[BlueBlood]

I keep seeing the same posts about blaming Dravid, BCCI etc.

 

Last 3 years have been about a good all-rounder like Marco Jansen who can bowl as a prime pacer and also bat well like Kallis or Klusener.

 

But these same fans worship selfish stat padders like Sachin with his 100th 100 obsession, Kohli, Rohit and now Gill/Rahul. India somehow needs an all-rounder when superstars are Gill, Rohit, Kohli, Iyer etc. who can't bat, bowl or even field properly anymore.

 

Yet, some one like Kallis or Klusener should magically appear who should be supremely fit to not only bowl pace but also bat really well like Jansen did.

 

But as with Hardik, he will be run to the ground without proper management as we saw with Venky Iyer, Dube etc. who are not even given bowling in IPL to improve their all-round skills.

 

If fans want batsmen super stars thanks to the most selfish Sachin who was so focused on personal records which brought Kohli, Rohit, Dhoni or even KL or Gill etc. after him. Then fans have no right to criticize BCCI.

 

If the next superstar is someone who is an all-rounder and they are managed well, paid well and actually protected in useless tournaments with good PR, tons of all-rounders will be produced.

 

Even Jadeja, he is hated in this forum due to Tuk tuk batting but he was never a #6 or #7 batsman. But to accommodate superstars like Rohit, KL, Gill, Kohli he was dropped there to do a hard job that even Shunya Kumar Yadav the supposed best hitter couldn't do.

 

Why was Jadeja not afforded the same luxury of KL Rahul where when he fails at #6 he gets promoted to #3 or #4? Oh it hurts Kohli, Rohit or Gill's feelings? 

 

If all-rounders are so needed, you need to make the useless batsmen who cannot even do their one job properly to be placed in harder positions to prove their worth. Why should Hardik Pandya, Venky Iyer, Dube, Vijay Shanker or some other pace all-rounder not get paid the maximum salary and given proper coaching to develop and given the spots that is easy for them?

 

Venky Iyer for example really excels in opening and provides some good overs in bowling too. But he can never fit in when Gill the next super star failure is a shoe-in because of PR.

 

How can team progress when idiots hog the same spot for 10+ years and all-rounders are given the scraps to make impossible things happen?
 

No answer on this ever from fans or BCCI. All we see is more records and more stat padders given more adulation.

[putrevus]

The problem with delusional Pandya fans is they think this bozo is some second coming of Gary Sobers. He not good enough to be even compared to Mitchel Marsh.

 

 

[sensible-indian]

Weird rant that makes no sense.

 

But yeh karlo pehla.

[sensible-indian]

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Why should Hardik Pandya, Venky Iyer, Dube, Vijay Shanker or some other pace all-rounder not get paid the maximum salary and given proper coaching to develop and given the spots that is easy for them?

[jalebi_bhai]

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[BlueBlood]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

The problem with delusional Pandya fans is they think this bozo is some second coming of Gary Sobers. He not good enough to be even compared to Mitchel Marsh.

 

 

Hardik, Chahar, Venky Iyer, Vijay Shankar turned into batsmen who can bowl more than bowlers who can bat to extend their careers.

 

As Rohit, Kohli, Sachin played for 20+ years.

 

Gill, Rahul will do the same.

 

Pace bowling All-rounders need to be preserved and need proper coaching, mentorship and be treated as short career players who need to be respected accordingly.

 

Yet fools on this forum worship Rohit, Kohli, Gill etc. In a team game when they can't even bowl or bend their back to preserve their careers 

[cricketfan28]

"hero worship".

[Frustrated]

We hv been losing every big tournament left right and centre all over the globe in last 11 yrs.   And yet the Hero worshipping continues..  Whereas Aus hv won 3 ICC tournaments in last 3 yrs alone.  Yet no body went to receive Pat Cummins in the sydney airport when he arrived with the WC2023 trophy.  He had to book an Uber all the way.   Imagine if he were an Indian and won us these many trophies.   By now there would hv been railway stations and airports named after him.  

[putrevus]

3 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

Hardik, Chahar, Venky Iyer, Vijay Shankar turned into batsmen who can bowl more than bowlers who can bat to extend their careers.

 

As Rohit, Kohli, Sachin played for 20+ years.

 

Gill, Rahul will do the same.

 

Pace bowling All-rounders need to be preserved and need proper coaching, mentorship and be treated as short career players who need to be respected accordingly.

 

Yet fools on this forum worship Rohit, Kohli, Gill etc. In a team game when they can't even bowl or bend their back to preserve their careers 

Only idiots think Pandya is an allrounder. 

when proper allrounder is found he will get his due respect. 
 

 

 

 

 

[BlueBlood]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Only idiots think Pandya is an allrounder. 

when proper allrounder is found he will get his due respect. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't "find" all-rounders. You make them.

 

Yuvraj didn't start as an all-rounder. Same with Marco Jansen.

 

Same with Kallis, Klusener, Chris Cairns etc.

 

They were treated with respect and given time to settle into teams. Kallis for example was given ample time to get into the groove of things with his bowling and given specific roles.

 

The main issue is hero worship.

 

When Gill who is an abject failure is already treated as the next Kohli... then there will be no all-rounders.

 

Pandya is hated for getting injured but so is the case with Chahar and other similar all-rounders. They are not managed properly and incentivized to play IPL rather than for team. Captains are always batsmen and vice captains too.

 

The best all-rounders are people who are great bowlers who also learn to bat like Jansen, Kapil, Cairns, Flintoff etc.

 

But they all usually have short careers. If hero worship of batsmen ends, then someone like Venky Iyer could be given more chances than Gill and actually become a bonafide all-rounder. But even on this board there are a ton of Gill bootlickers just because of his PR and marketability.

[harpicP]

6 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

Hardik, Chahar, Venky Iyer, Vijay Shankar turned into batsmen who can bowl more than bowlers who can bat to extend their careers.

 

As Rohit, Kohli, Sachin played for 20+ years.

 

Gill, Rahul will do the same.

 

Pace bowling All-rounders need to be preserved and need proper coaching, mentorship and be treated as short career players who need to be respected accordingly.

 

Yet fools on this forum worship Rohit, Kohli, Gill etc. In a team game when they can't even bowl or bend their back to preserve their careers 

I dont like any of them. 

Only ones I like are Pant, bumrah, shami before (now old) 

 

I dont mind these pace all rounders in Sen countries. I think will do well.

[putrevus]

6 hours ago, Frustrated said:

We hv been losing every big tournament left right and centre all over the globe in last 11 yrs.   And yet the Hero worshipping continues..  Whereas Aus hv won 3 ICC tournaments in last 3 yrs alone.  Yet no body went to receive Pat Cummins in the sydney airport when he arrived with the WC2023 trophy.  He had to book an Uber all the way.   Imagine if he were an Indian and won us these many trophies.   By now there would hv been railway stations and airports named after him.  

What kind of statement is this.

 

They have to win the the trophies to get the adulation. Indian team which was the best team in world cup failed in one match , does it mean that what they did during world cup is all for nothing.

[putrevus]

5 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

You don't "find" all-rounders. You make them.

 

Yuvraj didn't start as an all-rounder. Same with Marco Jansen.

 

Same with Kallis, Klusener, Chris Cairns etc.

 

They were treated with respect and given time to settle into teams. Kallis for example was given ample time to get into the groove of things with his bowling and given specific roles.

 

The main issue is hero worship.

 

When Gill who is an abject failure is already treated as the next Kohli... then there will be no all-rounders.

 

Pandya is hated for getting injured but so is the case with Chahar and other similar all-rounders. They are not managed properly and incentivized to play IPL rather than for team. Captains are always batsmen and vice captains too.

 

The best all-rounders are people who are great bowlers who also learn to bat like Jansen, Kapil, Cairns, Flintoff etc.

 

But they all usually have short careers. If hero worship of batsmen ends, then someone like Venky Iyer could be given more chances than Gill and actually become a bonafide all-rounder. But even on this board there are a ton of Gill bootlickers just because of his PR and marketability.

Pandya is not hated for his injuries. Pandya is a bits and pieces player who along with his idiotic fans act as if he is some great player.

 

He had eight years of international cricket to make impact but he is done as far Indian cricket is concerned.Let him make merry in IPL.

 

Great players get the respect that is not hero worship.It does not matter what country they play for,  they get the respect from all fans.

 

It is players like Pandya and his idiotic fans who have projected him into something he never was in reality.  That delusion is the problem.

 

Stop putting great players like Kapil, Kallis  into same sentence as  Pandya.

Edited December 29, 2023 by putrevus

[Frustrated]

13 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What kind of statement is this.

 

They have to win the the trophies to get the adulation. Indian team which was the best team in world cup failed in one match , does it mean that what they did during world cup is all for nothing.

Indian team was NOT the best team in the WC.  End of discussion.   

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Frustrated said:

Indian team was NOT the best team in the WC.  End of discussion.   

May be that is for you. Which is fine.

 

There are fans who enjoy the journey of the team also.

 

For many of us Indian team did put in their heart and soul to win the tournament.They came up short in the final and it hurts but you cannot fault the players for doing everything in their power to win.

 

 

 

[BlueBlood]

59 minutes ago, putrevus said:

May be that is for you. Which is fine.

 

There are fans who enjoy the journey of the team also.

 

For many of us Indian team did put in their heart and soul to win the tournament.They came up short in the final and it hurts but you cannot fault the players for doing everything in their power to win.

 

 

 

 

We had multiple threads on this. Please stop with this revisionist history.

 

New Zealand game was almost lost and Rohit was clueless until 32nd over in 2nd innings.

 

Didn't pick Shami until Pandy was injured. Until then India bowling was mediocre.

 

Bumrah gave 15 runs in WC final first over and same thing in NZ game also.

 

If this were in Australia, NZ, SA or ENG, the home teams would have won 99% of the time. Couldnt even win at home.

[Suhaan]

3 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

We had multiple threads on this. Please stop with this revisionist history.

 

New Zealand game was almost lost and Rohit was clueless until 32nd over in 2nd innings.

 

Didn't pick Shami until Pandy was injured. Until then India bowling was mediocre.

 

Bumrah gave 15 runs in WC final first over and same thing in NZ game also.

 

If this were in Australia, NZ, SA or ENG, the home teams would have won 99% of the time. Couldnt even win at home.

 

10 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

You don't "find" all-rounders. You make them.

 

Yuvraj didn't start as an all-rounder. Same with Marco Jansen.

 

Same with Kallis, Klusener, Chris Cairns etc.

 

They were treated with respect and given time to settle into teams. Kallis for example was given ample time to get into the groove of things with his bowling and given specific roles.

 

The main issue is hero worship.

 

When Gill who is an abject failure is already treated as the next Kohli... then there will be no all-rounders.

 

Pandya is hated for getting injured but so is the case with Chahar and other similar all-rounders. They are not managed properly and incentivized to play IPL rather than for team. Captains are always batsmen and vice captains too.

 

The best all-rounders are people who are great bowlers who also learn to bat like Jansen, Kapil, Cairns, Flintoff etc.

 

But they all usually have short careers. If hero worship of batsmen ends, then someone like Venky Iyer could be given more chances than Gill and actually become a bonafide all-rounder. But even on this board there are a ton of Gill bootlickers just because of his PR and marketability.

Arey itna sach nahi bolna tha

[AKane]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

For many of us Indian team did put in their heart and soul to win the tournament.They came up short in the final and it hurts but you cannot fault the players for doing everything in their power to win.

 

They had a big home field advantage but come semis it became less evident and then in the finals it completely dissolved.

 

In tournament play, the winner is the best player of that tournament. Can't be anything else. Whoever is presented the trophy is the winner. All the rest is opinions.

[Suhaan]

5 hours ago, AKane said:

They had a big home field advantage but come semis it became less evident and then in the finals it completely dissolved.

 

In tournament play, the winner is the best player of that tournament. Can't be anything else. Whoever is presented the trophy is the winner. All the rest is opinions.

Just like we were the pseudo best team in the 2019 WC

Like packys we too are content with (grabbing finals and semifinals)

with that continue accomodating washed up loosers trophies after trophies

BCCI is governed by sponsers ,that's it

[Number]

I failed to get the point of the thread as I found it a bit incoherent reading the first post.

However I totally agree hero worshipping is a big problem. We are obsessed with having best players in the world into our team but not interested in making our team the best team.

 

Problem with Pandya was that in his absence or when he was rested we didn't try a single all rounder wholeheartedly. It was as if all rounder quota is reserved for only Sir Pandya. In his absense we will play with 5 pure bowlers but will not try anyone else.

 

Also I agree with the point that an all rounder's entry route to Test Cricket is through white ball formats. You don't play a Rishi Dhawan directly into Test Cricket from Ranji. But since our white ball all rounder spot is reserved for Sir Don Pandya, and Pandya is not interested in Test Cricket then chances of seeing all rounder like Mitch Marsh etc. are absolutely zero.

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by Number