ravishingravi Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 17 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Modi hain to mumkin hain. Sabki Ram bhakti bhar bhar ke aarahi hain.. Unreal stuff. Overton window has truly shifted. Wire covering Shankaracharya for their reasons to not attend ceremony and this. Hard to fathom the scale of changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Country's first leader practically abhorred Hinduism . Evidently stopped Rajendra Prasad from attending ceremony in Somnath temple. Going from Ram is fictional to Ram was meat eater to correct rituals not being followed. Left / Congress really trying hard to find space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: I don't know where you get this from (rigid), but since Vedic times, the motif was to include all schools of Dharma . We have multiple darshan shastras that were all respected and included in the thought process. Shaivite, Vaishnavite, Shakta, Jungama, and many more lived in the same umbrella. Even the victor in the war of 10 tribes mentioned in Rigveda wanted the philosophies of the losers (Vishwamitra's) included in the Vedas. Unlike Abrahamic religions when they were being established, you have the victor forcing his faith/religion on others by force. Rigveda is way too old Vedic religion was only way back then... Buddhism nearly eradicated Hinduism in urban towns. By sheer marketability. Mauryans state sponsored Buddhism in their times & it was well on its way to do so... Kushans were more liberal compared to later Mauryans. One of the reasons Shunga put an end to to Mauryans. Thank goodness he did it. Edited January 17 by Lone Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Rigveda is way too old Vedic religion was only way back then... Buddhism nearly eradicated Hinduism in urban towns. By sheer marketability. Mauryans state sponsored Buddhism in their times & it was well on its way to do so... Kushans were more liberal compared to later Mauryans. One of the reasons Shunga put an end to to Mauryans. Thank goodness he did it. It is the ignorant Western Indologists and Marxist Historians made us believe that Vedas were bad and were not followed by Buddha. Buddha never denouced Vedas like carwaka. By the time, Buddha came about, Upanishads or Vedanta had already had talked abouut the basics what we now believe it as teachings of Buddha and mahaveera. Although, Kings of Muryan period followed Jainism and Buddhism, common people were still following Santana dharma or Vedic rituals. Even Buddhist rituals follow similar to Vedic rituals. Most of the architecture and lierary works show reverence to Shaivism (more) and Vaishnavism of that era. Kalidasa , a popular lterary figure was a Shakti follower. As I said, Vedas themselves didn't follow one school of thought but included all tribes. Kushans who came from outside India, invaded and were inspired by Shaivism. The Gupta emperors helped make Hinduism the most popular religion on the Indian subcontinent. This was even before the advent of Adi Shankara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 37 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Modi hain to mumkin hain. Sabki Ram bhakti bhar bhar ke aarahi hain.. Question is why and how did Congress mess this up. Lord Ram is really not divisive figure especially in North. He really is revered across religions. The whole strategy of going for 20% consolidation and communalizing the issue has come back to end the congress. Ram could have been held up as a civilizational figure which he is. Like headless chickens they are going from Hindu terror to janeudhaari. I suppose the calculation of consolidating 20% Muslims and fragmenting the Hindus based on caste was considered full proof. But right now another major consolidation is killing it. Women votes. Question is how does Congress get back the narrative. What should be their narrative. Muslim votes are their lifeline. Can't risk it. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 31 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Unreal stuff. Overton window has truly shifted. Wire covering Shankaracharya for their reasons to not attend ceremony and this. Hard to fathom the scale of changes. From Haramzaade to Ramzaade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: It is the ignorant Western Indologists and Marxist Historians made us believe that Vedas were bad and were not followed by Buddha. Buddha never denouced Vedas like carwaka. By the time, Buddha came about, Upanishads or Vedanta had already had talked abouut the basics what we now believe it as teachings of Buddha and mahaveera. Although, Kings of Muryan period followed Jainism and Buddhism, common people were still following Santana dharma or Vedic rituals. Even Buddhist rituals follow similar to Vedic rituals. Most of the architecture and lierary works show reverence to Shaivism (more) and Vaishnavism of that era. Kalidasa , a popular lterary figure was a Shakti follower. As I said, Vedas themselves didn't follow one school of thought but included all tribes. Kushans who came from outside India, invaded and were inspired by Shaivism. The Gupta emperors helped make Hinduism the most popular religion on the Indian subcontinent. This was even before the advent of Adi Shankara. Yes this entire Marxist hippie narrative on Buddha vs vedas need some major debunking. Little to no evidence to back this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 9 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Since, we are posting random news articles to make a point, here’s mine. Even a goat killed on the street can cause human deaths. https://www.reuters.com/article/coal-india-protests-idUKL3N26M3IC/ I will still say there is nothing religious about cow lynching, it is based on law and order situation with cattle smuggling incidents on the rise. https://www.deccanherald.com/amp/story/india/holy-cow-rise-smuggler-vigilante-2076623 Dil ko bahalane ke liye ghalib khyal yeh achcha hai. What I posted is not random . Lynchings , stray cattle raiding crops , causing accidents are all problems having many news on google. Stray cows and bulls have no value they are just menace why will anyone kill , lynch for them apart from religious reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 15 minutes ago, Singh bling said: Dil ko bahalane ke liye ghalib khyal yeh achcha hai. What I posted is not random . Lynchings , stray cattle raiding crops , causing accidents are all problems having many news on google. Stray cows and bulls have no value they are just menace why will anyone kill , lynch for them apart from religious reasons Because there is such thing as Beadbi in Hinduism. No religious institution condones killing for it , like the Golden Temple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannister Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 13 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Dreadful . When we are trying to eradicate casteism by unifying under Hinduism as per the constitution, you atheist commies play identity politics. It’s also the ionly way to break India and defeat nationalism/nationalistic parties. First Congress was decimated in TN, Kerala, WB, Punjab playing regionalistic , caste identity politics. The same mantra for BJP is being used now. Caste is the main hindrance for India’s progress. We are united by our language, and retaining caste identity is essential for preserving our history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 43 minutes ago, Lannister said: We are united by our language, and retaining caste identity is essential for preserving our history. then stop blaming Brahmins & Hindutva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannister Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 23 minutes ago, diga said: then stop blaming Brahmins & Hindutva When did we point fingers at Brahmins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 6 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Because there is such thing as Beadbi in Hinduism. No religious institution condones killing for it , like the Golden Temple. You mean someone can enter temple , break the idol and still hindu's will be peaceful? https://www.livehindustan.com/bihar/story-hindu-organization-anounces-10-lakh-prize-for-cutting-tongue-of-rjd-mla-fateh-bahadur-for-controversial-speech-about-hindu-god-godes-temple-9150899.html But but hindu organisations don't promote violence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 37 minutes ago, Singh bling said: You mean someone can enter temple , break the idol and still hindu's will be peaceful? https://www.livehindustan.com/bihar/story-hindu-organization-anounces-10-lakh-prize-for-cutting-tongue-of-rjd-mla-fateh-bahadur-for-controversial-speech-about-hindu-god-godes-temple-9150899.html But but hindu organisations don't promote violence Citing selective instances doesn't make for a principle. Fact is every other week you will see instances of desecration of Indian idols and there is rarely a response apart from police complaint. This is also of course why Hindus have been run over by religions. Another thing. There is nothing like Hindu organizations. They are group of Hindus and their actions don't come from any codified authority. someone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 5 hours ago, Singh bling said: You mean someone can enter temple , break the idol and still hindu's will be peaceful? https://www.livehindustan.com/bihar/story-hindu-organization-anounces-10-lakh-prize-for-cutting-tongue-of-rjd-mla-fateh-bahadur-for-controversial-speech-about-hindu-god-godes-temple-9150899.html But but hindu organisations don't promote violence Weak. If there was a crime committed, they will be dealt by law. Unlike the SGPC police ignored the lynching of a woman in the Gurudwaa because of official religious condemnation of Beadbi! That’s the difference we are talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 (edited) 6 hours ago, Lannister said: We are united by our language, and retaining caste identity is essential for preserving our history. So what happens to Sarva Janangada Shatiya thora? Muslims speak Urdu and Chriisrians English? How will other people speaking smaller languages like Tulu, Konkani, Kodava do? Do they get their own land or do we impose our language on them? Edited January 18 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 19 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Weak. If there was a crime committed, they will be dealt by law. Unlike the SGPC police ignored the lynching of a woman in the Gurudwaa because of official religious condemnation of Beadbi! That’s the difference we are talking about Disabled Muslim man eats prasad at Delhi temple, tied to pole, beaten to death https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/delhi/story/muslim-disabled-man-lynched-eating-prasad-temple-delhi-sundar-nagari-area-mob-lynching-2441145-2023-09-27 Keep denying everything. Every news of this type is random news. MechEng 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 39 minutes ago, Singh bling said: Disabled Muslim man eats prasad at Delhi temple, tied to pole, beaten to death https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/delhi/story/muslim-disabled-man-lynched-eating-prasad-temple-delhi-sundar-nagari-area-mob-lynching-2441145-2023-09-27 Keep denying everything. Every news of this type is random news. And we used to take pride in being inclusive..... Hindus were probably more civil during Congress era. Lord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 33 minutes ago, MechEng said: And we used to take pride in being inclusive..... Hindus were probably more civil during Congress era. Hear hear. Hindus were not committing crimes during congress era. Profound stuff one learns. someone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Singh bling said: Disabled Muslim man eats prasad at Delhi temple, tied to pole, beaten to death https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/delhi/story/muslim-disabled-man-lynched-eating-prasad-temple-delhi-sundar-nagari-area-mob-lynching-2441145-2023-09-27 Keep denying everything. Every news of this type is random news. And perhaps you didn't read the headline hunting article you posted. There is a police case against the accused and motive is being investigated. What happened to those who lynched the guy in golden temple. Not one in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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