R!TTER Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Raging turners don't mask limitations of bowlers They do - 2016/17 - it was the last time we outbatted good opposition on docile tracks batting second. Happened in Chennai 2016, Ranchi 2017 since then we've only really beaten C grade attacks on such surfaces! The point being our bowling is not great enough to limit scores in the first innings & our batters can't overcome scoreboard pressure - the reason why we go with turners because at least with some amount of turn you can negate the toss to a decent(ish) extent but outside of that our bowling is simply way past its peak on these slow surfaces. The less said about batting the better, oh & don't get me started on our fielding/catching Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa Host country India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2015 and 31 Dec 2019 Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 20 Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 RA Jadeja (IND) 2015-2019 19 37 937.3 254 2121 101 7/48 10/154 21.00 2.26 55.6 6 1 R Ashwin (IND) 2015-2019 19 37 981.4 215 2626 122 7/59 13/140 21.52 2.67 48.2 12 4 Mohammed Shami (IND) 2016-2019 9 18 253.0 53 687 31 5/35 6/116 22.16 2.71 48.9 1 0 UT Yadav (IND) 2015-2019 15 30 399.5 83 1180 43 4/32 6/59 27.44 2.95 55.7 0 0 AU Rashid (ENG) 2016-2016 5 8 232.2 19 861 23 4/82 7/178 37.43 3.70 60.6 0 0 Notice how many pacers are in there? I wouldn't blame any 1 department, the whole setup *ing stinks! Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa Host country India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2020 and 31 Dec 2024 Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 20 Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 R Ashwin (IND) 2021-2024 11 22 507.4 114 1256 77 6/61 9/207 16.31 2.47 39.5 5 0 AR Patel (IND) 2021-2024 10 19 316.5 75 720 42 6/38 11/70 17.14 2.27 45.2 5 1 NM Lyon (AUS) 2023-2023 4 6 189.5 33 492 22 8/64 11/99 22.36 2.59 51.7 2 1 RA Jadeja (IND) 2021-2024 6 12 274.1 60 731 32 7/42 10/110 22.84 2.66 51.4 2 1 MJ Leach (ENG) 2021-2024 5 9 197.0 33 613 20 4/54 6/178 30.65 3.11 59.1 0 0 And now The pitch tampering post 2020 has gone to an even more absurd level Edited January 28 by R!TTER nevada 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 38 minutes ago, Gollum said: Entire team underperformed. But let me put it this way, Indian bowlers will bounce back and challenge Bazball, can't say the same about our batsmen even against this raddi English bowling attack. 2016-17 Indian team would have got 750 in our 1st innings here, if not for Jaddu-Axar we would have struggled to post 300 here. Obvious pattern there. Hyderabad test - Specialists contributed almost same as other batsmen, lost the test. Indore test v Aus - Both specialist batsmen and ARs failed, lost the test. Delhi test v Aus - Specialists left team at 139-7, ARs took score to 250. Only fifty by Axar. Match won Nagpure test v Aus - 2 half centuries by ARs, 1 century by specialists, 190 runs by specialists, 198 by ARs. Match won. SL series - Only century by Jadeja (175). Second highest score by Pant (96). NZ series Kanpur test - 121 out of 234 in 2nd inning scored by ARs to set up the total else match was on losing tack. Drawn game. Eng series 4th test - 93 runs by specialists, 253 by ARs, match won This batting line up is surviving on support of ARs only. There are very few ocassions where top 5 has managed to do heavy lifting on their own. rollingstoned, BacktoCricaddict, SRT100 and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment
Frustrated Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 12 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021-1195334/india-vs-bangladesh-1st-test-1187016/full-scorecard Is there anyone in current team who can bat like Mayank did v left arm spinner of BD to score 243? Mayank was a beast against spin. He will definitely be missed on spin friendly pitches. Unfortunately, none among the current lot is reliable against spin. (Pant would hv taken Hartley to the cleaners today. But he isn't there). So, every time we hv to rely on the lower order (Axar-Ashwin-Jaddu) to save our a**. As I type, there are reports coming in that Jaddu might miss the next test due to hamstring injury. Things not looking good for now. Gollum and SRT100 1 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 19 minutes ago, R!TTER said: They do - 2016/17 - it was the last time we outbatted good opposition on docile tracks batting second. Happened in Chennai 2016, Ranchi 2017 since then we've only really beaten C grade attacks on such surfaces! The point being our bowling is not great enough to limit scores in the first innings & our batters can't overcome scoreboard pressure - the reason why we go with turners because at least with some amount of turn you can negate the toss to a decent(ish) extent but outside of that our bowling is simply way past its peak on these slow surfaces. The less said about batting the better, oh & don't get me started on our fielding/catching Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa Host country India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2015 and 31 Dec 2019 Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 20 Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 RA Jadeja (IND) 2015-2019 19 37 937.3 254 2121 101 7/48 10/154 21.00 2.26 55.6 6 1 R Ashwin (IND) 2015-2019 19 37 981.4 215 2626 122 7/59 13/140 21.52 2.67 48.2 12 4 Mohammed Shami (IND) 2016-2019 9 18 253.0 53 687 31 5/35 6/116 22.16 2.71 48.9 1 0 UT Yadav (IND) 2015-2019 15 30 399.5 83 1180 43 4/32 6/59 27.44 2.95 55.7 0 0 AU Rashid (ENG) 2016-2016 5 8 232.2 19 861 23 4/82 7/178 37.43 3.70 60.6 0 0 Notice how many pacers are in there? I wouldn't blame any 1 department, the whole setup *ing stinks! Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa Host country India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2020 and 31 Dec 2024 Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 20 Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 R Ashwin (IND) 2021-2024 11 22 507.4 114 1256 77 6/61 9/207 16.31 2.47 39.5 5 0 AR Patel (IND) 2021-2024 10 19 316.5 75 720 42 6/38 11/70 17.14 2.27 45.2 5 1 NM Lyon (AUS) 2023-2023 4 6 189.5 33 492 22 8/64 11/99 22.36 2.59 51.7 2 1 RA Jadeja (IND) 2021-2024 6 12 274.1 60 731 32 7/42 10/110 22.84 2.66 51.4 2 1 MJ Leach (ENG) 2021-2024 5 9 197.0 33 613 20 4/54 6/178 30.65 3.11 59.1 0 0 And now The pitch tampering post 2020 has gone to an even more absurd level Bowling gives away 600-700 runs in match on easy batting pitch which isn't bad. If expectations are that they bowl out opposition for less 500 runs in every match, then that's too much. However with current top order this team has capability of getting to max 500 only if lower order doesn't support. That's why team requires turners where batsmen don't need to cross their ceiling of 30 runs. 2016 series had England scoring 400 runs and still losing the game. Spin attack ensured that Eng were bowled out cheaply in at least 1 inning. Same thing happened here. Only thing is that batting is no longer capable of scoring anything. rollingstoned and sensible-indian 2 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, Trichromatic said: Bowling gives away 600-700 runs in match on easy batting pitch which isn't bad. Except we didn't in the 2015-19 period, you can check the number of 500+ scores against us. From memory only once by Eng in 2016 first test. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 5 minutes ago, R!TTER said: Except we didn't in the 2015-19 period, you can check the number of 500+ scores against us. From memory only once by Eng in 2016 first test. I am talking about match totals. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) So, what's your point? The pitches in that period were generally more fair & we had way less shootout games! Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa Host country India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2015 and 31 Dec 2019 Innings in match 1st innings or 2nd innings Team runs greater than or equal to 400 Totals in terms of batting team Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 4 of 4 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS Australia 2017-2017 1 0 0 0 1 0.000 45.10 3.28 1 451 451 England 2016-2016 3 0 2 0 1 0.000 47.13 3.16 3 537 400 India 2016-2019 10 8 0 0 2 - 67.19 3.46 10 759 417 South Africa 2019-2019 1 0 1 0 0 0.000 43.10 3.28 1 431 431 One thing of note is the W/L ratio & while we can definitely say that our batting has declined but it doesn't explain such a large discrepancy - the obvious answer's that we're playing on more sh!t surfaces, not an excuse for the overpaid IPL stars but it is what it is! Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa Host country India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2020 and 31 Dec 2024 Innings in match 1st innings or 2nd innings Team runs greater than or equal to 400 Totals in terms of batting team Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 3 of 3 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS Australia 2023-2023 1 0 0 0 1 0.000 48.00 2.86 1 480 480 England 2021-2021 1 1 0 0 0 - 57.80 3.03 1 578 578 India 2023-2024 3 1 1 0 1 1.000 48.51 3.20 3 571 400 Edited January 28 by R!TTER Link to comment
AKane Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 England will replace Wood with a steady swing bowler for next test at Vizag - don't be surprised if he contributes a couple of wickets per innings. Will it be Anderson, Robinson or Atkinson? Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Difference They sweep we dont. Sweep works much better here on dlow tracks. Link to comment
SRT100 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Filthy, disgusting, arrogant, self entitled cricketers. This is not only a National shame but an embarrassment to every cricket loving Indian worldwide, including myself. Zero accountability. They lose the WC in a pathetic meek, passive beta manner, then get bashed by another SENA team, the Poms in the 1st Test. India may have most of the money in world cricket but its a pathetic cricketing nation. Link to comment
SRT100 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Not letting KL keep, playing SIraj, dropped catches, run outs of our Premier "batsmen" in Ashwin and Jaddu are the primary reasons we lost this match. Link to comment
SRT100 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 6 hours ago, Trichromatic said: Obvious pattern there. Hyderabad test - Specialists contributed almost same as other batsmen, lost the test. Indore test v Aus - Both specialist batsmen and ARs failed, lost the test. Delhi test v Aus - Specialists left team at 139-7, ARs took score to 250. Only fifty by Axar. Match won Nagpure test v Aus - 2 half centuries by ARs, 1 century by specialists, 190 runs by specialists, 198 by ARs. Match won. SL series - Only century by Jadeja (175). Second highest score by Pant (96). NZ series Kanpur test - 121 out of 234 in 2nd inning scored by ARs to set up the total else match was on losing tack. Drawn game. Eng series 4th test - 93 runs by specialists, 253 by ARs, match won This batting line up is surviving on support of ARs only. There are very few ocassions where top 5 has managed to do heavy lifting on their own. Correct. The real irony is that had India won this game, it would have been another would one won by the AR's in Ash and Bharat. Link to comment
Frustrated Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Take a look at the test avg of our top order and middle order batters. All batsmen (except Rohit) average < 40. This is pathetic. (Not including Kohli since he is unavailable and Jaiswal is a rookie) Gill: 29, Iyer: 36 , KL: 35, Bharat: 22. With avg players, u will get avg results. This is no rocket science. SRT100 1 Link to comment
rollingstoned Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 10 hours ago, R!TTER said: So, what's your point? The pitches in that period were generally more fair & we had way less shootout games! Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa Host country India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2015 and 31 Dec 2019 Innings in match 1st innings or 2nd innings Team runs greater than or equal to 400 Totals in terms of batting team Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 4 of 4 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS Australia 2017-2017 1 0 0 0 1 0.000 45.10 3.28 1 451 451 England 2016-2016 3 0 2 0 1 0.000 47.13 3.16 3 537 400 India 2016-2019 10 8 0 0 2 - 67.19 3.46 10 759 417 South Africa 2019-2019 1 0 1 0 0 0.000 43.10 3.28 1 431 431 One thing of note is the W/L ratio & while we can definitely say that our batting has declined but it doesn't explain such a large discrepancy - the obvious answer's that we're playing on more sh!t surfaces, not an excuse for the overpaid IPL stars but it is what it is! Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or South Africa Host country India Start of match date between 1 Jan 2020 and 31 Dec 2024 Innings in match 1st innings or 2nd innings Team runs greater than or equal to 400 Totals in terms of batting team Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 3 of 3 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS Australia 2023-2023 1 0 0 0 1 0.000 48.00 2.86 1 480 480 England 2021-2021 1 1 0 0 0 - 57.80 3.03 1 578 578 India 2023-2024 3 1 1 0 1 1.000 48.51 3.20 3 571 400 From 2015-19 only the England series in 2016/17 had wickets which were throwback to the wickets we had in 00s, most of the others were quite spin friendly. It started from that 2015 series where both Mohali and Nagpur were snake pits. Link to comment
tweaker Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 This Indian.team ' s perfomance is so predictable, once the lead crossed 150,I was sure the team was going to loose Link to comment
SRT100 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 8 minutes ago, tweaker said: This Indian.team ' s perfomance is so predictable, once the lead crossed 150,I was sure the team was going to loose I posted on here that the magical number was 175 run lead to set panic and choking. In many ways it was right, India lost 9 wickets getting to 178. tweaker 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 no, this loss is on both batters and spinners + siraj. 230 was not easy to chase, and allowing eng to score 400+ is criminal harpicP 1 Link to comment
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