This loss is entirely on batsmen

[Trichromatic]

They are beings saved by lower order/bowlers for long time and keep getting exposed at times.

[Number]

Easily the worst loss in the Indian test history at home.

Lead of 190, opposition team 5 down at 165 and they still find a way to lose.

 

[Frustrated]

Batsmen hv been at fault for a long time.  230 was chasable.   But questions need to be asked on why our spin heavy bowling attack allowed Eng from 160/5 to 420 on a pitch where NoName Eng spinner (debutant) took a 7fer and Root (part timer) caused lot of trouble for our batters in both innings.  

[Suhaan]

Just now, Number said:

Easily the worst loss in the Indian test history at home.

Lead of 190, opposition team 5 down at 165 and they still find a way to lose.

 

Yes,shows Gritt of these British batsmen

Still it was so chaseable,just needed from the top to score 60+

It was their responsibility, whenever a situation arises for someone to just standup

They leave for they don't feel the heat

There is no hunger either,nthey were allowing spinners to get their line ,no will to rotate strike

For all his spin bashing Iyer has failed when he was expected to atleast break the shackles

And Jadeja's runout added salt to injury

[Lord]

Majorly yes, but you can't be conceding 436 in 3rd innings on this pitch

 

Rohit messed up by his fields and not using Siraj and Ash/Jaddu didn't get anything near what Hartley was getting.

[Trichromatic]

14 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Batsmen hv been at fault for a long time.  230 was chasable.   But questions need to be asked on why our spin heavy bowling attack allowed Eng from 160/5 to 420 on a pitch where NoName Eng spinner (debutant) took a 7fer and Root (part timer) caused lot of trouble for our batters in both innings.  

 

1. Because Indian batting is poor.

2. Same bowling restricted England for 240 in first inning.

[Trichromatic]

15 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Batsmen hv been at fault for a long time.  230 was chasable.   But questions need to be asked on why our spin heavy bowling attack allowed Eng from 160/5 to 420 on a pitch where NoName Eng spinner (debutant) took a 7fer and Root (part timer) caused lot of trouble for our batters in both innings.  

 

Not just 2nd inning, even in first inning no one played long in best batting conditions. They had to rely on all rounders to get to 400. Those all rounders ensured that England were out for 240 in first inning.

 

Batting from 1-6 were below par in both innings.

[sensible-indian]

Even in the first innings, 100+ was scored by the lower order.

 

Our batting is shambolic.

 

We missed prime Pujara.

 

Had he been there, we would have won this game.

 

Thats the level of his impact and legacy.

 

When he was there, statboosters could enjoy their reign.

Edited January 28 by sensible-indian

[Nikhil_cric]

28 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

They are beings saved by lower order/bowlers for long time and keep getting exposed at times.

It's not. Our spin trio is responsible for this loss. Hartley adapted and bowled the right pace for this wicket whereas our spinners bowled too quick all the time.  

 

I've posted a thread about this. You can check the data there.

[sensible-indian]

Afyer Pujara declined, we were save by Pant, Washington Sundar, Jadeja, Axar and Ashwin many times.

 

Today we had no Pant.

 

No Sundar.

 

Axar and Jaddu did well but couldnt get us through this time.

 

Ashwin almost repeated Bangladesh but losing Sreekar led to his downfall.

[Trichromatic]

Easiest batting condition, easy inexperienced bowling, perfect situation for top order to score 150+ and stamp the authority.

 

Highest score was 82. 

 

Same thing happened in Chennai 2021. When England scored 578, Indian batsmen were 70-4 on flat pitch v no name bowling attack. Then also Pant, Sundar, Ashwin had to bail them out and avoid innings loss.

 

150+ scores in India since 2020

Root 218 Pope

196 Kohli 186

Khawaja 180

Jadeja 175

Sharma 161

Mayank 150

 

Forget scoring centuries these batsmen aren't even scoring 100s. If your 1-6 can't get past 80 on this type of track, then you can't blame bowlers.

[Trichromatic]

3 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

It's not. Our spin trio is responsible for this loss. Hartley adapted and bowled the right pace for this wicket whereas our spinners bowled too quick all the time.  

 

I've posted a thread about this. You can check the data there.

 

How does that data account for skills of batsmen?

[sensible-indian]

By the way, Ben Stokes with his unconventional approach with the bat played a huge role in helping England win with the bat.

 

Its games and situations like this where you need players like Ben Stokes.

 

A chase like this, you would back Ben Stokes more than Jadeja (even tho Jaddu is a superior AR by far).

 

Had Ben stokes been there instead of Ashwin after sreekar got out...you would back him way more than Ash.

 

Thats his game, impact and legacy.

 

You cant find that in stats sheets.

 

@Lord

[sensible-indian]

5 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

It's not. Our spin trio is responsible for this loss. Hartley adapted and bowled the right pace for this wicket whereas our spinners bowled too quick all the time.  

 

I've posted a thread about this. You can check the data there.

Both are true.

 

But batsmen are at fault more.

 

In the past, we had Pujara and lower order to save us so batsmen werent exposed.

 

Had lower order not batted well in first innings, England would have won the game even if our spinners bowled well.

 

One great thing about this game is our batsmen are exposed.

 

Axar,Jaddu and Ashwin have saved them for too long.

 

Heck, we should have lost to Bamgladesh. Thats the pathetic aukat our of batsmen.

[Frustrated]

What happened to Jaiswal in the 2nd inning?   Looked very confused on whether to attack or to defend throughout the 2nd inning.  Played couple of reverse sweeps.  Missed both of them.  The ball he got out to, was a nothing ball.   Just spooned it to the fielder.   

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

By the way, Ben Stokes with his unconventional approach with the bat played a huge role in helping England win with the bat.

 

Its games and situations like this where you need players like Ben Stokes.

 

A chase like this, you would back Ben Stokes more than Jadeja (even tho Jaddu is a superior AR by far).

 

Had Ben stokes been there instead of Ashwin after sreekar got out...you would back him way more than Ash.

 

Thats his game, impact and legacy.

 

You cant find that in stats sheets.

 

@Lord

 

You'd back him only if the game was in England. How many times has he done it in India. Its not like England haven't been in tough situations on previous tours

 

Stats tell everything if analysed properly. Everything else is bias.

[Trichromatic]

3 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

By the way, Ben Stokes with his unconventional approach with the bat played a huge role in helping England win with the bat.

 

Its games and situations like this where you need players like Ben Stokes.

 

A chase like this, you would back Ben Stokes more than Jadeja (even tho Jaddu is a superior AR by far).

 

Had Ben stokes been there instead of Ashwin after sreekar got out...you would back him way more than Ash.

 

Thats his game, impact and legacy.

 

You cant find that in stats sheets.

 

@Lord

 

Because of 1 knock. 

 

Ben Stokes has 0 knock outside home like Ashwin played at Sydney to save the game.

[Nikhil_cric]

2 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Both are true.

 

But batsmen are at fault more.

 

In the past, we had Pujara and lower order to save us so batsmen werent exposed.

 

Had lower order not batted well in first innings, England would have won the game even if our spinners bowled well.

 

One great thing about this game is our batsmen are exposed.

 

Axar,Jaddu and Ashwin have saved them for too long.

 

Heck, we should have lost to Bamgladesh. Thats the pathetic aukat our of batsmen.

Point is not about the batting being good or bad. Getting outbowled by a debutant spinner is the main reason why we lost this match.

 

Also, thread says the loss is "entirely" on the batsmen which is clearly not the case.

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Both are true.

 

But batsmen are at fault more.

 

In the past, we had Pujara and lower order to save us so batsmen werent exposed.

 

Had lower order not batted well in first innings, England would have won the game even if our spinners bowled well.

 

One great thing about this game is our batsmen are exposed.

 

Axar,Jaddu and Ashwin have saved them for too long.

 

Heck, we should have lost to Bamgladesh. Thats the pathetic aukat our of batsmen.

 

Biggest thing was they threw their wickets as if it was a T20. If they got out normally to good balls no one would have a problem.

[Number]

While I agree our batsmen have been very poor but from 165-5 to conceding 430 in 3rd innings isn't a good bowling performance in this one off match.