Dhruv Jurel

[Muloghonto]

12 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Choosing wicket keepers based on significant batting ability is a rather recent happening. Started about 20 years back after seeing Gilchrist doing so well for 5 years or so.

 

Even then, most keeper batsmen, chosen thereafter, have been either aggressive batters with questionable defensive techniques or 2nd rung batters.

 

Pant, for example, is a very aggressive batter whose forte was delivering in crunch situations in test matches when his team was struggling. Consistency was not his forte as defense was not on his mind most of the times. High batting averages in FC is a different thing as that sometimes happens when the quality of a batter is way superior to the pedestrian bowlers that are usually on offer.

 

The reason why I feel that Jurel is likely to average 43+ is because his defensive technique and footwork seem really good, and that is rarely the case with usual keeper batsmen.  And this, combined with good temperament, can lead to consistency and high averages, especially when a batter can attack when needed too, like Jurel.

 

The " never played in SENA " part is important, which is why I said, " unless a new weakness is found in the next 6 months ".

 

First off, i think Jurel's batting style is more suitable for tests than Pant's as a #6/7 : a vital reason Jurel formed big partnerships with the tail is because he knows how to protect the tail. Your average tailender can block/stick around for 2-3 balls an over but if you give them six balls on the trot to face, they will most likely get out soon, as it allows the bowlers to lay traps. Pant was not good at strike rotation-much like Gilly wasn't. They are the 'i score 70 from 70 balls' kinda aggressive players who can't be bothered to farm the strike and as such, are better suited for upper order batting ( part of the reason why Gilly was so effective as an opener in LOIs). 

To be a lower middle order batsman, you must have the ability to farm the strike and make sure your #9-11 are not facing more than 3 balls an over max. 

 

Secondly, for Indian keepers, its extremely difficult to average 40+ in tests because keeping to spin is far more demanding on the body than keeping to pace, as to spinners you have to repeatedly crouch and get up - imagine doing 500 situps a day for 2.5 days outta 5 and thats your average Indian keeper's lot, meaning, your back is gonna die. 

MSD had the best physique for an Indian keeper, as in he is built like 'baatul the great' and is a solid 'khamba', with incredibly strong back and legs - and still MSD used to suffer from back spasms and back pain in his 30s. Jurel isnt built like a 'solid khamba' so lets hope his stretching and back strengthening routine are absolute world class, else he too will end up suffering from back spasms and such. 

If we can find a good pace attack where we play 2 pacers at home/3 away and actually give them plenty of overs, then whoever is our wicketkeeper will get the required break from doing situps all day, as keeping to pacers means you basically just stand. 

Fortunately in the modern era, the biggest drawback of keeping to pacers - where your hands take a total beating with 90mph balls thudding into it all day everyday- is somewhat mitigated with much better padding in gloves, which is why its more common to see stronger wicketkeeper batters from SENA countries, as they rarely play more than 1 spinner a match. 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

If Pant comes back we can contemplate on dual keeper. One for one innings.

[Need4Speed]

Play Pant and Jurel both..who cares both are keepers..as long as they both are better than other batsmen and have clutch playesr..lets assume even if we have 4 clutch keeper batsmen..play them all..we want to win in the end..

[vvvslaxman]

Handsome compliments from grade cricketer. They feel he can play purely as a bat sman

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

He played reasonably well in the under-19 final against BD. But run out on 22. India couldn't post a competitive total.  Jaiswal 88 Tilak Varma 38  Jurel 22 in the final.

[singhvivek141]

8 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

 Pant was not good at strike rotation-much like Gilly wasn't. They are the 'i score 70 from 70 balls' kinda aggressive players who can't be bothered to farm the strike and as such, are better suited for upper order batting ( part of the reason why Gilly was so effective as an opener in LOIs). 

To be a lower middle order batsman, you must have the ability to farm the strike and make sure your #9-11 are not facing more than 3 balls an over max. 

Actually Pant had it's own approach to bat with the tail. It's different from Jurel.

 

He was able to consistently push the fielders at the boundary by his freestyle hitting, no captain can take a risk when the opposition batter has ability to smoke 4 sixes out of first 5 balls, Pant don't shy away to go 6 even at the last ball. His approach was go for quick runs in minimum balls.

 

Pant is very good in playing with the minds of opposition captain. He has his own style where he can just blow away the planning of opposition captain. Call it playing with the sword or living on the edge, but he is good at it. That's the reason why opposition captain are always at the backfoot if Pant is on the crease.

 

Jurel while is methodological, go for big hits for first 4 balls, and then look for single in last 2. 

 

Both approach works fine for me, one is innovative & mercurial, as Pant can quickly move the score from 250-7 to 274-7 in just an over. Other is old school where Jurel can move the score from 250-7 to 261-7 in one over.

 

[tapandrun]

35 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Actually Pant had it's own approach to bat with the tail. It's different from Jurel.

 

He was able to consistently push the fielders at the boundary by his freestyle hitting, no captain can take a risk when the opposition batter has ability to smoke 4 sixes out of first 5 balls, Pant don't shy away to go 6 even at the last ball. His approach was go for quick runs in minimum balls.

 

Pant is very good in playing with the minds of opposition captain. He has his own style where he can just blow away the planning of opposition captain. Call it playing with the sword or living on the edge, but he is good at it. That's the reason why opposition captain are always at the backfoot if Pant is on the crease.

 

Jurel while is methodological, go for big hits for first 4 balls, and then look for single in last 2. 

 

Both approach works fine for me, one is innovative & mercurial, as Pant can quickly move the score from 250-7 to 274-7 in just an over. Other is old school where Jurel can move the score from 250-7 to 261-7 in one over.

 

V.V.small sample here but Jurel's batting approach and style is more like a pure batter (nt talking abt technique) and Pant had a more of a player in the team with multiple skills approach and style which worked for him and team in Tests.

 

Jurel wkt-keeping is far better than what Pant had in his starting days - he only improved recently. Jurel was decent with DRS too. 

Pant kind of figured out his way in test but in white-ball he is nt there . Has 2nd worse SR for Ind in t20s after Gambhir. You cannot have a no.4/5/6  playing with SR of 125.

 

Ind suffered due to this because Dhoni had 3rd worse SR (126) in T20i for Ind after Pant batting at 5/6/7 . You are looking at 12 runs in last 10 balls from them.

Player should be picked for specific formats.

 

Gill has been struggling in T20is and Tests but still Ind is carrying him, his best format is ODI and Ind should stick to it. Need a better no.3 in test 

 

 

[cricketfan28]

As always worshipping starts very early.

[Lone Wolf]

He needs a solid IPL to be in reckoning for WT20.  Kishan has failed in T20s at an Int'l level.  TM is not sure about Jitesh. 

Pant is on a comeback trail.  So Jurel has a genuine chance. 

But then Dravid's favorite Kela would walk in anyway. 

[RajBan]

Jurel and Pant can both play together in the Test team as long as Pant regains fitness and rhythm in terms of his batting. Just because he is classified as a wicketkeeper batsman does not mean that other conventional specialists are better and effective than Pant in the 5 day game. Pant's records and accomplishments speak for himself and Test cricket suits his style and temperament like hand in glove.

 

At the same time those who want to get him to the LOI specially ODIs need to rethink. It's again the style and temperament of the player which does not work out in a spread out field with finite number of overs. It will look wow the day it works but more often than not it will give average returns. 

[singhvivek141]

38 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

V.V.small sample here but Jurel's batting approach and style is more like a pure batter (nt talking abt technique) and Pant had a more of a player in the team with multiple skills approach and style which worked for him and team in Tests.

 

Jurel wkt-keeping is far better than what Pant had in his starting days - he only improved recently. Jurel was decent with DRS too. 

Pant kind of figured out his way in test but in white-ball he is nt there . Has 2nd worse SR for Ind in t20s after Gambhir. You cannot have a no.4/5/6  playing with SR of 125.

 

Ind suffered due to this because Dhoni had 3rd worse SR (126) in T20i for Ind after Pant batting at 5/6/7 . You are looking at 12 runs in last 10 balls from them.

Player should be picked for specific formats.

 

Gill has been struggling in T20is and Tests but still Ind is carrying him, his best format is ODI and Ind should stick to it. Need a better no.3 in test 

 

 

Was talking about Pant the Test batter only, not for T20Is...I should have mentioned that, sorry if it was confusing.

 

Yes, for T20Is I won't go for Pant..we have Jitesh & now Jurel.

Pant if he comes back with his pre 2023 version fitness, should be a strong contender for Tests alongside Jurel.

 

For ODI's...Pant can get in, he isnt that poor. Also, I am not a fan of one player playing all 3 formats consistently so would like to keep the options open.

[Number]

5 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Was talking about Pant the Test batter only, not for T20Is...I should have mentioned that, sorry if it was confusing.

 

Yes, for T20Is I won't go for Pant..we have Jitesh & now Jurel.

Pant if he comes back with his pre 2023 version fitness, should be a strong contender for Tests alongside Jurel.

 

For ODI's...Pant can get in, he isnt that poor. Also, I am not a fan of one player playing all 3 formats consistently so would like to keep the options open.

 

How was Jurel in List A/VH Trophy ? How is his limited overs game like, if you had followed him there ?

[singhvivek141]

14 minutes ago, Number said:

 

How was Jurel in List A/VH Trophy ? How is his limited overs game like, if you had followed him there ?

 

He usually plays for UP at no 5/6, quite good in rotating the strike and has the ability to play unorthodox shots, won't call him a power hitter, but don't play too many dot balls.

 

He has as an ability to shut the shop as well if need arises, and then slowly accelerate.

 

To me he seems at ideal no 4 batsman, someone who can keep rotating the strike, play the spinners well and then can hit big strokes at the end when situation demand.

[tapandrun]

27 minutes ago, Number said:

 

How was Jurel in List A/VH Trophy ? How is his limited overs game like, if you had followed him there ?

Donot think he has played much, ipl -plays for RR few decent knocks there down the order able to hit 6s, but mostly were straight mid-on mid off.

Range and ability still to be tested

[Kron]

1 hour ago, RajBan said:

Jurel and Pant can both play together in the Test team as long as Pant regains fitness and rhythm in terms of his batting. Just because he is classified as a wicketkeeper batsman does not mean that other conventional specialists are better and effective than Pant in the 5 day game. Pant's records and accomplishments speak for himself and Test cricket suits his style and temperament like hand in glove.

 

At the same time those who want to get him to the LOI specially ODIs need to rethink. It's again the style and temperament of the player which does not work out in a spread out field with finite number of overs. It will look wow the day it works but more often than not it will give average returns. 

put it this way pant is our best batsmen when he is fully fit and he probably will be our greatest ever batsman if fully fit again. 

he is better than peak kohli, peak laxman etc

way better than dravid too.

 

sachu may be ahead but in terms of batting under pressure i will back pant

 

sachin dint have the insanely strong bowling attack of india to back him though unlike pant. 

Edited February 27 by Kron

[Kron]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Actually Pant had it's own approach to bat with the tail. It's different from Jurel.

 

He was able to consistently push the fielders at the boundary by his freestyle hitting, no captain can take a risk when the opposition batter has ability to smoke 4 sixes out of first 5 balls, Pant don't shy away to go 6 even at the last ball. His approach was go for quick runs in minimum balls.

 

Pant is very good in playing with the minds of opposition captain. He has his own style where he can just blow away the planning of opposition captain. Call it playing with the sword or living on the edge, but he is good at it. That's the reason why opposition captain are always at the backfoot if Pant is on the crease.

 

Jurel while is methodological, go for big hits for first 4 balls, and then look for single in last 2. 

 

Both approach works fine for me, one is innovative & mercurial, as Pant can quickly move the score from 250-7 to 274-7 in just an over. Other is old school where Jurel can move the score from 250-7 to 261-7 in one over.

 

pant is basically travis head but with superior skills everywhere. pant is the best keeper bat ever imo. he will be better than even sanga. 

 

[Number]

18 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

He usually plays for UP at no 5/6, quite good in rotating the strike and has the ability to play unorthodox shots, won't call him a power hitter, but don't play too many dot balls.

 

He has as an ability to shut the shop as well if need arises, and then slowly accelerate.

 

To me he seems at ideal no 4 batsman, someone who can keep rotating the strike, play the spinners well and then can hit big strokes at the end when situation demand.

 

Just what we need for India in long term. Picking top scoring openers then drafting them into middle order is never going to work. 

[Number]

14 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Donot think he has played much, ipl -plays for RR few decent knocks there down the order able to hit 6s, but mostly were straight mid-on mid off.

Range and ability still to be tested

Yeah I see. Base of his game is still built for longer formats, like good technique putting value on wicket etc. With some power game.

[express bowling]

9 hours ago, Number said:

 

How was Jurel in List A/VH Trophy ? How is his limited overs game like, if you had followed him there ?

 

 

 

Jurel batting in T20s and 50 over games.

 

 

https://www.iplt20.com/video/46980/impact-player-dhruv-jurels-impactful-knock-of-3215?tagNames=2023

 

 

 

 

https://www.iplt20.com/video/46970/m08-rr-vs-pbks--dhruv-jurel-six?tagNames=2023

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 27 by express bowling

[express bowling]

29 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

Jurel batting in T20s and 50 over games.

 

 

https://www.iplt20.com/video/46980/impact-player-dhruv-jurels-impactful-knock-of-3215?tagNames=2023

 

 

 

 

https://www.iplt20.com/video/46970/m08-rr-vs-pbks--dhruv-jurel-six?tagNames=2023

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Happy to see Jurel play pull shots in his U19 days.