Nikhil_cric Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Both Shardul Thakur and Sai Kishore have pointed out that there is only a 3 day gap between matches in Ranji . And that includes travelling. That is an unforgivably brutal schedule especially for fast bowlers in our system . Where is the workload management ? How are bowlers supposed to stay fit, not get injured and to sustain speeds with such pathetic scheduling? Link to comment
MediumPacer Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Rubbish pitches and schedule ,all we produce are sla. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Mukesh taking 10nwickets in a match tells me something is wrong. express bowling and singhvivek141 2 Link to comment
Serpico Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 This is due to world cup last year. Usually Ranji season starts in October and happens for 5 months Vickydev and tapandrun 2 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Main reason is Pitches.... I actually liked Ramiz's radical idea to introduce drop in Pitches... While PCB lacks money to pull that off but BCCI can easily do this. At least KO's must be played on drop in Pitches brought from Australia. Link to comment
Kron Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 31 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Main reason is Pitches.... I actually liked Ramiz's radical idea to introduce drop in Pitches... While PCB lacks money to pull that off but BCCI can easily do this. At least KO's must be played on drop in Pitches brought from Australia. Would be good to have pitches with some assitance for turn and bounce. Good players will develop thay way and use skill to get wickets. Batsmen will get better as you can be bounced out or turned inside out Link to comment
MediumPacer Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 28 minutes ago, Kron said: Would be good to have pitches with some assitance for turn and bounce. Good players will develop thay way and use skill to get wickets. Batsmen will get better as you can be bounced out or turned inside out No one can handle turn and bounce .it's impossible.TN who grow up on slow turners struggle on these pitches,imagine what will happen if it turns and bounces. Kron 1 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 34 minutes ago, Kron said: Would be good to have pitches with some assitance for turn and bounce. Good players will develop thay way and use skill to get wickets. Batsmen will get better as you can be bounced out or turned inside out Imo Australian Pitches are best all round tracks in the world... Quality spinner can spin the ball.. Pacers enjoy it and Batters can also hit through the line. They are the benchmark. Kron and singhvivek141 2 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 21 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Imo Australian Pitches are best all round tracks in the world... Quality spinner can spin the ball.. Pacers enjoy it and Batters can also hit through the line. They are the benchmark. Also they used kookaburra. It takes away reverse element. SG ball reverses more and also grips more. Link to comment
Vickydev Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 The Ranji pitches right now are lot more useful in judging batsmen than bowlers honestly. Testing conditions expose flaws in techniques while bowlers, if they pitch on right spot, are likely to walk away with good figures. Link to comment
tapandrun Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) Most Ranji/Domestic matches does not happen on Intnl grounds, there are several reasons for it 1. Frequent intnl patches being played 2.Need those 10/12 grounds for IPL 3.Ranji host side decides the ground, so if there are multiple grounds under a state association they can pick any and can alter a non-international pitch (which suite their side at that moment and their standing in the point table) without asking BCCI Oct to March is the only time where 4/5 day matches could be played after that there is V.high temp(-- hence time booked for t20/ipl matches. )where most of the teams do not prefer to play 4/5 day matches, Aug to Mid Oct there is monsoon. So there is nt much to chose from for a 4/5 day cricket match Edited March 4 by tapandrun Link to comment
Kron Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 7 hours ago, MediumPacer said: No one can handle turn and bounce .it's impossible.TN who grow up on slow turners struggle on these pitches,imagine what will happen if it turns and bounces. Some assistance** Link to comment
rollingstoned Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 15 hours ago, Kron said: Would be good to have pitches with some assitance for turn and bounce. Good players will develop thay way and use skill to get wickets. Batsmen will get better as you can be bounced out or turned inside out Mumbai's red soil pitch is the ideal one with something in it for everyone ie batsmen get value for runs & you need backfoot strokeplay, early morning swing, bounce and carry, spin etc and the pitch also breaks up enough as days go by. Commies were saying they tried using that same soil in other parts of India but it didn't have the same result because the weather and soil there is different so it behaves differently. It is what it is I suppose. Vijy and Kron 2 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 15 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Main reason is Pitches.... I actually liked Ramiz's radical idea to introduce drop in Pitches... While PCB lacks money to pull that off but BCCI can easily do this. At least KO's must be played on drop in Pitches brought from Australia. Australian pitches will not work the same way in India/Asia as they do in Oz. Our pitches actually have more variety just that the TM & BCCI choose to play safe! 14 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Imo Australian Pitches are best all round tracks in the world... Quality spinner can spin the ball.. Pacers enjoy it and Batters can also hit through the line. They are the benchmark. You know that's BS right? Do you want to see spinner's record in Oz for the last 20 odd years? Primary team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Host country Australia Start of match date between 1 Feb 2004 and 1 Feb 2014 Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler Grouped by team Overall figures Team Players Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 Australia 19 2004-2014 57 160 2721.3 521 8399 234 6/80 8/112 35.89 3.08 69.7 7 0 New Zealand 7 2004-2011 6 12 314.0 68 891 24 5/152 6/187 37.12 2.83 78.5 1 0 Sri Lanka 11 2004-2013 7 30 452.2 45 1537 37 5/95 10/210 41.54 3.39 73.3 3 1 India 10 2007-2012 8 29 590.5 57 2017 42 5/84 8/254 48.02 3.41 84.4 1 0 West Indies 10 2005-2009 6 19 288.1 47 816 16 5/155 5/206 51.00 2.83 108.0 1 0 Pakistan 14 2004-2010 6 21 392.5 34 1463 28 7/188 8/204 52.25 3.72 84.1 3 0 England 8 2006-2014 15 44 686.3 98 2393 43 5/91 8/237 55.65 3.48 95.7 2 0 South Africa 12 2005-2012 9 24 304.2 27 1298 20 3/44 6/171 64.90 4.26 91.3 0 0 Primary team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Host country Australia Start of match date between 1 Feb 2014 and 1 Feb 2024 Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler Grouped by team Overall figures Team Players Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 Australia 15 2014-2024 51 173 2474.3 467 7259 223 7/152 12/286 32.55 2.93 66.5 8 2 India 14 2014-2021 12 40 751.1 135 2202 60 5/99 6/149 36.70 2.93 75.1 1 0 New Zealand 11 2015-2020 6 22 299.2 16 1223 17 3/78 3/152 71.94 4.08 105.6 0 0 England 8 2017-2022 10 31 408.4 46 1516 21 4/84 4/173 72.19 3.70 116.7 0 0 Pakistan 12 2016-2024 8 25 426.5 28 1858 22 4/205 4/205 84.45 4.35 116.4 0 0 West Indies 14 2015-2024 7 18 236.4 10 1115 13 3/158 3/158 85.76 4.71 109.2 0 0 South Africa 11 2016-2023 6 14 235.1 33 776 8 3/56 4/150 97.00 3.29 176.3 0 0 Sri Lanka 5 2019-2019 2 6 111.2 21 349 3 2/84 2/84 116.33 3.13 222.6 0 0 Kron and Vijy 1 1 Link to comment
Kron Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, R!TTER said: Australian pitches will not work the same way in India/Asia as they do in Oz. Our pitches actually have more variety just that the TM & BCCI choose to play safe! You know that's BS right? Do you want to see spinner's record in Oz for the last 20 odd years? Primary team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Host country Australia Start of match date between 1 Feb 2004 and 1 Feb 2014 Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler Grouped by team Overall figures Team Players Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 Australia 19 2004-2014 57 160 2721.3 521 8399 234 6/80 8/112 35.89 3.08 69.7 7 0 New Zealand 7 2004-2011 6 12 314.0 68 891 24 5/152 6/187 37.12 2.83 78.5 1 0 Sri Lanka 11 2004-2013 7 30 452.2 45 1537 37 5/95 10/210 41.54 3.39 73.3 3 1 India 10 2007-2012 8 29 590.5 57 2017 42 5/84 8/254 48.02 3.41 84.4 1 0 West Indies 10 2005-2009 6 19 288.1 47 816 16 5/155 5/206 51.00 2.83 108.0 1 0 Pakistan 14 2004-2010 6 21 392.5 34 1463 28 7/188 8/204 52.25 3.72 84.1 3 0 England 8 2006-2014 15 44 686.3 98 2393 43 5/91 8/237 55.65 3.48 95.7 2 0 South Africa 12 2005-2012 9 24 304.2 27 1298 20 3/44 6/171 64.90 4.26 91.3 0 0 Primary team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Host country Australia Start of match date between 1 Feb 2014 and 1 Feb 2024 Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler Grouped by team Overall figures Team Players Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 Australia 15 2014-2024 51 173 2474.3 467 7259 223 7/152 12/286 32.55 2.93 66.5 8 2 India 14 2014-2021 12 40 751.1 135 2202 60 5/99 6/149 36.70 2.93 75.1 1 0 New Zealand 11 2015-2020 6 22 299.2 16 1223 17 3/78 3/152 71.94 4.08 105.6 0 0 England 8 2017-2022 10 31 408.4 46 1516 21 4/84 4/173 72.19 3.70 116.7 0 0 Pakistan 12 2016-2024 8 25 426.5 28 1858 22 4/205 4/205 84.45 4.35 116.4 0 0 West Indies 14 2015-2024 7 18 236.4 10 1115 13 3/158 3/158 85.76 4.71 109.2 0 0 South Africa 11 2016-2023 6 14 235.1 33 776 8 3/56 4/150 97.00 3.29 176.3 0 0 Sri Lanka 5 2019-2019 2 6 111.2 21 349 3 2/84 2/84 116.33 3.13 222.6 0 0 Game set match lol I agree australia is a graveyard for spin Thats why lyon couldnt even get our tail out in 2 games back in 2021. One being in scg where it allegedly spins. Lyon warne do well in australia because they had mcgrath and starc now to create footmarks which helps spinners. They know how to game the process to do well in such cases Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 Rahul Dravid echoing concerns of Sai Kishore and Shardul as well. Saying even the newbies in the team are talking about the ridiculous scheduling of domestic. The reality is that first class cricketers need to be managed just as well as the contracted cricketers in terms of how much they bowl, given plenty of rest if they are in the red zone and constantly monitored for their actions etc. Need more voices to join the chorus rollingstoned 1 Link to comment
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