ARE NRIS HYPOCRITE

[Real McCoy]

13 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

The way he mocks India and Indians, I have doubts if he is actually BlueBlood or GreenBlood, He has only problems for India and sees no solutions rooting for its downfalll. 

 

I'm not sure about that. Maybe his posts further down the line could prove to be so. In between his long posts, he makes one good point though. Its about monopoly or duopoly of a party and big companies. That's the fault of democracy in itself. Democracy by its nature leads to authoritarianism, whether it be oligarchy or worse communism. For fear that we may lose India to leftists and marxists, we tend towards the right. That maybe good for now but in the long term any party or power when unchecked is not a good thing also.

[coffee_rules]

25 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

 

I'm not sure about that. Maybe his posts further down the line could prove to be so. In between his long posts, he makes one good point though. Its about monopoly or duopoly of a party and big companies. That's the fault of democracy in itself. Democracy by its nature leads to authoritarianism, whether it be oligarchy or worse communism. For fear that we may lose India to leftists and marxists, we tend towards the right. That maybe good for now but in the long term any party or power when unchecked is not a good thing also.

Even in CricketForum he is always negative, not the first one to doubt him. Have differing views with others like @Lone Wolf or @Lord or even @Singh bling politically, never  doubt their credentials for good of India or even @ash although I don’t agree with him on regional  chauvinism . 
 

Monopoly in an industry is bad as we see in capitalism leading to price gouging and what not. Only focusing on two companies who are diversified is not factual, that’s all. Rich men grow in favorable governments like Sahara did under UPA or even DAmbani  or Tatas under Indira governments . Adani rise is no different is my opinion. Amazon or Microsoft in US rose under favorable governments. 

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Even in CricketForum he is always negative, not the first one to doubt him. Have differing views with others like @Lone Wolf or @Lord or even @Singh bling politically, never  doubt their credentials for good of India or even @ash although I don’t agree with him on regional  chauvinism . 
 

Monopoly in an industry is bad as we see in capitalism leading to price gouging and what not. Only focusing on two companies who are diversified is not factual, that’s all. Rich men grow in favorable governments like Sahara did under UPA or even DAmbani  or Tatas under Indira governments . Adani rise is no different is my opinion. Amazon or Microsoft in US rose under favorable governments. 

nearly all famous monopolies - going back to the Dutch and British East India companies - were greatly facilitated by favorably disposed govts

[mishra]

6 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

 

I'm not sure about that. Maybe his posts further down the line could prove to be so. In between his long posts, he makes one good point though. Its about monopoly or duopoly of a party and big companies. That's the fault of democracy in itself. Democracy by its nature leads to authoritarianism, whether it be oligarchy or worse communism. For fear that we may lose India to leftists and marxists, we tend towards the right. That maybe good for now but in the long term any party or power when unchecked is not a good thing also.

Hey,

Many people in India are like that. I believe they feel they have to oppose Modi. Its just that they lack a alternative approach and lack of foresightedness which is convincing enough to most people.

In democracy, every Individual is supposed to work for himself.

In Communism, every individual is supposed to work for State.

In socialism , State is responsible for wealth distribution till it reaches to level of Communism. A lot of people (including the poster in question) from Democracitc Nations fall in the transition category without knowing that its a step towards communism

Edited April 10 by mishra

[Real McCoy]

10 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Even in CricketForum he is always negative, not the first one to doubt him. Have differing views with others like @Lone Wolf or @Lord or even @Singh bling politically, never  doubt their credentials for good of India or even @ash although I don’t agree with him on regional  chauvinism . 
 

Monopoly in an industry is bad as we see in capitalism leading to price gouging and what not. Only focusing on two companies who are diversified is not factual, that’s all. Rich men grow in favorable governments like Sahara did under UPA or even DAmbani  or Tatas under Indira governments . Adani rise is no different is my opinion. Amazon or Microsoft in US rose under favorable governments. 

 

Interesting Have been away for a while haven't encountered this poster before.

 

Amazon and big companies made a killing during coviid times. Many mom and pop stores were shut down but that creates its own tangent. Don't want to get this thread derailed. Oligarchy doesn't care about who is at the helm. They fund both sides. It only helps them. I'm ok with rich men enjoying success. but monopoly that too in farming is a bit orwellian to me.

 

 

[Real McCoy]

4 hours ago, mishra said:

Hey,

Many people in India are like that. I believe they feel they have to oppose Modi. Its just that they lack a alternative approach and lack of foresightedness which is convincing enough to most people.

In democracy, every Individual is supposed to work for himself.

In Communism, every individual is supposed to work for State.

In socialism , State is responsible for wealth distribution till it reaches to level of Communism. A lot of people (including the poster in question) from Democracitc Nations fall in the transition category without knowing that its a step towards communism

 

That guy may have some ulterior motives as coffee said. We have to take the valid criticism of Modi into account. Modi is far better than RaGa. Most of the BS oppositions to Modi from the lefty camp are pure bogus. but does that make Modi our savior. Not quite. 

 

I have yet to hear some facts given by opposition that doesn't lead to stirring up people's emotions. Until that time, Modi will be in power and we have to listen to his policies whether we like it or not. FWIW he has backtracked some of his ugly steps like the farmer protests. That's a good sign. It shows he is considering people's choices.

 

[Real McCoy]

9 hours ago, Vijy said:

nearly all famous monopolies - going back to the Dutch and British East India companies - were greatly facilitated by favorably disposed govts

Only these two are even stronger than the govts. The power behind the east india companies remian to this day under some other name. its a purely global network

[BlueBlood]

LOL. There we go again calling me anti-national and even a Pakistani.

 

This is exactly the problem with current setup of media manipulation and monopolies.

 

Fine, make Adani richest man in the world and then Ambani 2nd richest. Then when eventually an opposition comes, other than communal issues, they will all be the same as the real masters will be the same for generations.

 

The fact that Vietnam, China, Mexico, Brazil and other similar high population countries have far surpassed India in GDP per capita, exports and every other critical metric in just the last 5-7 years while you compare India to a Pakistan, Sri Lanka and thumping chests is exactly where the problem lies.

 

Communism and Naxal movement started around the time the Zamindar and Oligopoly system during License Raj where the poor were abused and exploited. 

 

The same thing is happening now with censorship of Media (see Elon Musk's post on this) and also doing everything to favor a few select people closest to the government. Back in the day Bajaj, D Ambani and Tata were only part of 1-2 industries where they had great experience in.

 

Now, the same handful of people want to be in all industries. That will destroy innovation and startups as they will never be able to compete with these monopolies and oligopolies.

 

But as I said, the people debating don't even care about this as they only care about BJPs hindutva agenda. If Vijay Mallya was a RSS card carrying member, he too would have been worshipped and protected. It's just a classic case of brainwashing.

 

None of the posters here even live in India. Most have won the lottery ticket to go and settle down in the West. Therefore, the shared experiences of the average Indian is just not there. This is why brain dead moves like monopolies, election bonds, nepotism in BCCI, farmer laws, Hindi medium, lack protein in schools for kids, fake patriotism to push small number of civil service seats/jobs etc. Will come back to haunt the future generations.

 

The problem is majority of people vote on base level emotions: patriotism, religion, caste, money, liquor etc. 

 

So Rahul Gandhi after losing so many times is turning into a full fledged socialist as that's the only way he can win on a base level. Same thing in Telangana where Congress sweeped recently offered free bus tickets to women, free houses, free everything. Even though BRS/TRS was huge in development similar to present day BJP, this didn't reach the areas outside of metros.

 

This is the issue with extremism on both sides. Same issue in the West where wokeism and DEI has created another side of extremism on the right. The middle just gets destroyed.

[Real McCoy]

16 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

LOL. There we go again calling me anti-national and even a Pakistani.

 

This is exactly the problem with current setup of media manipulation and monopolies.

 

Fine, make Adani richest man in the world and then Ambani 2nd richest. Then when eventually an opposition comes, other than communal issues, they will all be the same as the real masters will be the same for generations.

 

The fact that Vietnam, China, Mexico, Brazil and other similar high population countries have far surpassed India in GDP per capita, exports and every other critical metric in just the last 5-7 years while you compare India to a Pakistan, Sri Lanka and thumping chests is exactly where the problem lies.

 

Communism and Naxal movement started around the time the Zamindar and Oligopoly system during License Raj where the poor were abused and exploited. 

 

The same thing is happening now with censorship of Media (see Elon Musk's post on this) and also doing everything to favor a few select people closest to the government. Back in the day Bajaj, D Ambani and Tata were only part of 1-2 industries where they had great experience in.

 

Now, the same handful of people want to be in all industries. That will destroy innovation and startups as they will never be able to compete with these monopolies and oligopolies.

 

But as I said, the people debating don't even care about this as they only care about BJPs hindutva agenda. If Vijay Mallya was a RSS card carrying member, he too would have been worshipped and protected. It's just a classic case of brainwashing.

 

None of the posters here even live in India. Most have won the lottery ticket to go and settle down in the West. Therefore, the shared experiences of the average Indian is just not there. This is why brain dead moves like monopolies, election bonds, nepotism in BCCI, farmer laws, Hindi medium, lack protein in schools for kids, fake patriotism to push small number of civil service seats/jobs etc. Will come back to haunt the future generations.

 

The problem is majority of people vote on base level emotions: patriotism, religion, caste, money, liquor etc. 

 

So Rahul Gandhi after losing so many times is turning into a full fledged socialist as that's the only way he can win on a base level. Same thing in Telangana where Congress sweeped recently offered free bus tickets to women, free houses, free everything. Even though BRS/TRS was huge in development similar to present day BJP, this didn't reach the areas outside of metros.

 

This is the issue with extremism on both sides. Same issue in the West where wokeism and DEI has created another side of extremism on the right. The middle just gets destroyed.

 

You make more sense in this post. I don't go by emotions as much as the common man does. What's your solution to this problem?

[coffee_rules]

38 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

LOL. There we go again calling me anti-national and even a Pakistani.

 

This is exactly the problem with current setup of media manipulation and monopolies.

 

Fine, make Adani richest man in the world and then Ambani 2nd richest. Then when eventually an opposition comes, other than communal issues, they will all be the same as the real masters will be the same for generations.

 

The fact that Vietnam, China, Mexico, Brazil and other similar high population countries have far surpassed India in GDP per capita, exports and every other critical metric in just the last 5-7 years while you compare India to a Pakistan, Sri Lanka and thumping chests is exactly where the problem lies.

 

Communism and Naxal movement started around the time the Zamindar and Oligopoly system during License Raj where the poor were abused and exploited. 

 

The same thing is happening now with censorship of Media (see Elon Musk's post on this) and also doing everything to favor a few select people closest to the government. Back in the day Bajaj, D Ambani and Tata were only part of 1-2 industries where they had great experience in.

 

Now, the same handful of people want to be in all industries. That will destroy innovation and startups as they will never be able to compete with these monopolies and oligopolies.

 

But as I said, the people debating don't even care about this as they only care about BJPs hindutva agenda. If Vijay Mallya was a RSS card carrying member, he too would have been worshipped and protected. It's just a classic case of brainwashing.

 

None of the posters here even live in India. Most have won the lottery ticket to go and settle down in the West. Therefore, the shared experiences of the average Indian is just not there. This is why brain dead moves like monopolies, election bonds, nepotism in BCCI, farmer laws, Hindi medium, lack protein in schools for kids, fake patriotism to push small number of civil service seats/jobs etc. Will come back to haunt the future generations.

 

The problem is majority of people vote on base level emotions: patriotism, religion, caste, money, liquor etc. 

 

So Rahul Gandhi after losing so many times is turning into a full fledged socialist as that's the only way he can win on a base level. Same thing in Telangana where Congress sweeped recently offered free bus tickets to women, free houses, free everything. Even though BRS/TRS was huge in development similar to present day BJP, this didn't reach the areas outside of metros.

 

This is the issue with extremism on both sides. Same issue in the West where wokeism and DEI has created another side of extremism on the right. The middle just gets destroyed.

Adani is in infra business . How is he affecting lack of innovation in AI or semiconductor or IT? You make no sense. 
 

Also, Brazil has the worst wealth inequality of index of all countries .  You crib about GDPpc which with a highest population will always look bad than a small globally inconsequential country like Vietnam . It is like proving 1 > 0 in pure math which is obvious. You look at other parameters in economics. You have zero facts backing your biased opinions.  Don’t bring where I live to a debate , it is childish to argue an opinion like that. There is no Media censorship in India like in China or Russia. Look at the plethora of newspapers and media men opposing Modi day in and out. 

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

Only these two are even stronger than the govts. The power behind the east india companies remian to this day under some other name. its a purely global network

Yes, those two companies wielded more clout than most nations in the world

[Real McCoy]

13 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Yes, those two companies wielded more clout than most nations in the world

They still do. They own the UK and US totally and basically the power structure in the west.

[Real McCoy]

36 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Adani is in infra business . How is he affecting lack of innovation in AI or semiconductor or IT? You make no sense. 
 

Also, Brazil has the worst wealth inequality of index of all countries .  You crib about GDPpc which with a highest population will always look bad than a small globally inconsequential country like Vietnam . It is like proving 1 > 0 in pure math which is obvious. You look at other parameters in economics. You have zero facts backing your biased opinions.  Don’t bring where I live to a debate , it is childish to argue an opinion like that. There is no Media censorship in India like in China or Russia. Look at the plethora of newspapers and media men opposing Modi day in and out. 

 

Thats true. Its almost predictable the what the newspapers will say. Pretty much the entire BRICS countries are going though problems. I think only China and India are doing somewhat better. If you argue people's rights, then India is better in that sense while China is doing better economically.

[Muloghonto]

4 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

LOL. There we go again calling me anti-national and even a Pakistani.

 

This is exactly the problem with current setup of media manipulation and monopolies.

 

Fine, make Adani richest man in the world and then Ambani 2nd richest. Then when eventually an opposition comes, other than communal issues, they will all be the same as the real masters will be the same for generations.

 

The fact that Vietnam, China, Mexico, Brazil and other similar high population countries have far surpassed India in GDP per capita, exports and every other critical metric in just the last 5-7 years while you compare India to a Pakistan, Sri Lanka and thumping chests is exactly where the problem lies.

Stop making up lies andnonsense. China, Mexico & brazil didn't exceed India's per capita GDP in the last 5-7 years, they exceeded them 30 years ago. 

Under the anti-national congoon government. This too can be cited, just as i cited to prove you incorrect multiple times, that you are too chootiya to address or admit. 

 

4 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

Communism and Naxal movement started around the time the Zamindar and Oligopoly system during License Raj where the poor were abused and exploited. 

 

The same thing is happening now with censorship of Media (see Elon Musk's post on this) and also doing everything to favor a few select people closest to the government. Back in the day Bajaj, D Ambani and Tata were only part of 1-2 industries where they had great experience in.

 

Now, the same handful of people want to be in all industries. That will destroy innovation and startups as they will never be able to compete with these monopolies and oligopolies.

Except, as proven by citation, India is the most improved nation in innovation for the most recently available data. 

Stop making up lies and nonsense again. 

 

4 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

But as I said, the people debating don't even care about this as they only care about BJPs hindutva agenda. If Vijay Mallya was a RSS card carrying member, he too would have been worshipped and protected. It's just a classic case of brainwashing.

We care about the hinduvta as well as caring for the fact that under BJP india is the most improved nation on the planet in innovation and under bjp india has built more infrastructure than the sum total of congress rule decades.

 

4 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

None of the posters here even live in India. Most have won the lottery ticket to go and settle down in the West. Therefore, the shared experiences of the average Indian is just not there. This is why brain dead moves like monopolies, election bonds, nepotism in BCCI, farmer laws, Hindi medium, lack protein in schools for kids, fake patriotism to push small number of civil service seats/jobs etc. Will come back to haunt the future generations.

You don't live in India either - which is why your ideas are completely wrong about india.

 

4 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

The problem is majority of people vote on base level emotions: patriotism, religion, caste, money, liquor etc. 

Majority of people vote on objective benefit. Which is why Modi is so overwhelmingly popular amongst the poor. Coz modi has imrpoved the lot of the poor more than the sum total of all other governments in indian history.

 

[BlueBlood]

6 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

 

You make more sense in this post. I don't go by emotions as much as the common man does. What's your solution to this problem?

 

Very simple and I mentioned this before many many times and I think this would be good to be my last post on this politics forum. As we have zero discussion and just mudslinging on a base level (anti-national, congressi supporter etc.)

 

1) Create organizations like FTC/FDA completely separate from the government control where monopoly practices are shunted. See what FTC did with Apple where she single handedly made it impossible for Apple to use their App Store as a weapon against startups like Spotify etc. who were wanting to make more money outside the app store apple ecosystem. Or how they blocked Adobe acquiring Figma and cornering the image editing market.

Currently the system is designed to be used by ruling party to get their wish. Which eventually will mean the opposition party will do the same when they get to power some day.

2) When you have a cash cow like BCCI don't put your son or relative there. Make it a completely neutral organization governed by board of directors from different sports (people like Baichung Bhutia in soccer for example) who have a singular interest of helping the entire sport culture so that ample resources are put into olympic related sports.

 

3) Don't allow monopolies of industries from people with zero experience in it. Example: Adani should never be buying Disney or Airports (rules that existed on this got changed). Example: back in the day even Bajaj never got into movie industry for example or supermarkets. Now Reliance is way too powerful and in too many places like telecom, food, petroleum, media, movies etc.

 

4) #3 is only possible because of SBI and LIC funding these purchases through debt. This becomes a problem when tomorrow a startup wants to get into data centers or semiconductors or similar future facing industries where they will never be able to compete against a reliance or adani. This is why innovation is curtailed as those who want to enter these industries are discouraged from the get go by local governments and similar organizations.

 

5) SBI and LIC loans/investments should be used in high growth areas and if it is to be given to Adani, Ambani, Bajaj, Tata or anyone else, it should be with the condition that they be utilized in high growth areas of the future. This can be in areas like semiconductors, biotechnology, data centers, electric cars etc.

 

Plus, there should be more money available for startup sector that are investment heavy. Example: something like a data center needs both hardware and software. A lot of startups can help in software layer while you give Adani/Microsoft/Google/Amazon the hardware layer. For this to happen you need to allocate resources for startups.

 

This is exactly why India has such high youth unemployment. In America for example 75% of the jobs are created by small businesses and startups. These companies are willing to take in freshers and juniors as they cannot pay high salaries like big corporations.

 

6) Focus on exports rather internal consumption. Encourage Adani, Ambani, Tata, Bajaj etc. that they will only get SBI or similar funding or incentives if they focus their efforts on export oriented industries. Give specific tax incentives for innovative startups in future facing industries like was given to the IT sector in late 1990's and early 2000 where all IT companies were exempt from corporate taxes for a period of 10 years.

 

7) Finally, don't use ED/SC etc. as a weapon. Here's a perfect example where in 2020 GVK Reddy who owned the Mumbai Aiport was raided by ED:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/ed-raids-gvk-group-offices-in-connection-with-mumbai-airport-scam/story-shwbGEvqZGQLrUgpdal0XN.html

And then once Adani purchased it, suddenly a couple of years later, the cases were dropped:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/mumbai-news/cbi-drops-corruption-charges-in-case-against-gvk-group-101672683095423.html

 

8) Making everything too centralized - see this article:
https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/corporate/story/india-has-not-done-that-yet-jamshyd-godrej-flags-the-strength-of-vietnam-other-manufacturing-hubs-376521-2023-04-07
 

Especially this part: Talking about Vietnam’s model of manufacturing, Godrej said: “The reason why countries like Vietnam moved ahead of India was that they took care of the entire entry and operational part of the manufacturing along with the local bodies and the government. India has not done that yet. In Vietnam, when you have an industrial park, the park authorities actually take care of every type of clearance, and permission, that one needs. It is a literally one-stop shop. It is very efficient. India has still not understood the softer aspect of running a manufacturing hub, industrial park, and all. That is very crucial for efficiency.”

 

This is not being done because of centralized planning of everything. It's being done because without such centralized planning, you cannot control local politicians and you also risk creating too much competition for incumbent corporations. Plus, to make matters worse, if an innovative company does emerge, they will be squashed by the same incumbents by purposely lowering prices easily due to zero laws against monopolies. Just look at Reliance Geo, destroyed almost everyone except maybe Airtel as no one could compete against free data being offered. Later these prices were increased once competition was destroyed.

 

9) The point is, once Congress or some other opposition wins by hook or crook (promising freebies to everyone), they too will prop up their own cronies and use these same institutions against their opposition. It's inevitable and that's why politics is becoming a blood sport where everything is fair game.

 

Case in point see this thread. Someone posts against NRI's and then even NRI's who support BJP can't defend themselves without being called unpatriotic or "meek" or "beta".

 

I'll leave this political forum now as it's pointless discussing with base level emotional people. Hope you can at least convince them otherwise in your own way because at the end of the day, we all want country to progress forward as we have familial roots still there and many middle-class or lower relatives still living there. 

Edited April 10 by BlueBlood

[Muloghonto]

6 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

 

I'll leave this political forum now as it's pointless discussing with base level emotional people. Hope you can at least convince them otherwise in your own way because at the end of the day, we all want country to progress forward as we have familial roots still there and many middle-class or lower relatives still living there. 

The most emotional person here is you, who is shitting LITERALLY on threads that has nothing to do with the topic, then making up nonsense and when proven wrong by cited data, run away without acknowledgement, like a typical propaganda peddler, instead of a honest interlocutor. 

 

[coffee_rules]

16 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

Very simple and I mentioned this before many many times and I think this would be good to be my last post on this politics forum. As we have zero discussion and just mudslinging on a base level (anti-national, congressi supporter etc.)

 

1) Create organizations like FTC/FDA completely separate from the government control where monopoly practices are shunted. See what FTC did with Apple where she single handedly made it impossible for Apple to use their App Store as a weapon against startups like Spotify etc. who were wanting to make more money outside the app store apple ecosystem. Or how they blocked Adobe acquiring Figma and cornering the image editing market.

Currently the system is designed to be used by ruling party to get their wish. Which eventually will mean the opposition party will do the same when they get to power some day.

2) When you have a cash cow like BCCI don't put your son or relative there. Make it a completely neutral organization governed by board of directors from different sports (people like Baichung Bhutia in soccer for example) who have a singular interest of helping the entire sport culture so that ample resources are put into olympic related sports.

 

3) Don't allow monopolies of industries from people with zero experience in it. Example: Adani should never be buying Disney or Airports (rules that existed on this got changed). Example: back in the day even Bajaj never got into movie industry for example or supermarkets. Now Reliance is way too powerful and in too many places like telecom, food, petroleum, media, movies etc.

 

4) #3 is only possible because of SBI and LIC funding these purchases through debt. This becomes a problem when tomorrow a startup wants to get into data centers or semiconductors or similar future facing industries where they will never be able to compete against a reliance or adani. This is why innovation is curtailed as those who want to enter these industries are discouraged from the get go by local governments and similar organizations.

 

5) SBI and LIC loans/investments should be used in high growth areas and if it is to be given to Adani, Ambani, Bajaj, Tata or anyone else, it should be with the condition that they be utilized in high growth areas of the future. This can be in areas like semiconductors, biotechnology, data centers, electric cars etc.

 

Plus, there should be more money available for startup sector that are investment heavy. Example: something like a data center needs both hardware and software. A lot of startups can help in software layer while you give Adani/Microsoft/Google/Amazon the hardware layer. For this to happen you need to allocate resources for startups.

 

This is exactly why India has such high youth unemployment. In America for example 75% of the jobs are created by small businesses and startups. These companies are willing to take in freshers and juniors as they cannot pay high salaries like big corporations.

 

6) Focus on exports rather internal consumption. Encourage Adani, Ambani, Tata, Bajaj etc. that they will only get SBI or similar funding or incentives if they focus their efforts on export oriented industries. Give specific tax incentives for innovative startups in future facing industries like was given to the IT sector in late 1990's and early 2000 where all IT companies were exempt from corporate taxes for a period of 10 years.

 

7) Finally, don't use ED/SC etc. as a weapon. Here's a perfect example where in 2020 GVK Reddy who owned the Mumbai Aiport was raided by ED:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/ed-raids-gvk-group-offices-in-connection-with-mumbai-airport-scam/story-shwbGEvqZGQLrUgpdal0XN.html

And then once Adani purchased it, suddenly a couple of years later, the cases were dropped:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/mumbai-news/cbi-drops-corruption-charges-in-case-against-gvk-group-101672683095423.html

 

8) Making everything too centralized - see this article:
https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/corporate/story/india-has-not-done-that-yet-jamshyd-godrej-flags-the-strength-of-vietnam-other-manufacturing-hubs-376521-2023-04-07
 

Especially this part: Talking about Vietnam’s model of manufacturing, Godrej said: “The reason why countries like Vietnam moved ahead of India was that they took care of the entire entry and operational part of the manufacturing along with the local bodies and the government. India has not done that yet. In Vietnam, when you have an industrial park, the park authorities actually take care of every type of clearance, and permission, that one needs. It is a literally one-stop shop. It is very efficient. India has still not understood the softer aspect of running a manufacturing hub, industrial park, and all. That is very crucial for efficiency.”

 

This is not being done because of centralized planning of everything. It's being done because without such centralized planning, you cannot control local politicians and you also risk creating too much competition for incumbent corporations. Plus, to make matters worse, if an innovative company does emerge, they will be squashed by the same incumbents by purposely lowering prices easily due to zero laws against monopolies. Just look at Reliance Geo, destroyed almost everyone except maybe Airtel as no one could compete against free data being offered. Later these prices were increased once competition was destroyed.

 

9) The point is, once Congress or some other opposition wins by hook or crook (promising freebies to everyone), they too will prop up their own cronies and use these same institutions against their opposition. It's inevitable and that's why politics is becoming a blood sport where everything is fair game.

 

Case in point see this thread. Someone posts against NRI's and then even NRI's who support BJP can't defend themselves without being called unpatriotic or "meek" or "beta".

 

I'll leave this political forum now as it's pointless discussing with base level emotional people. Hope you can at least convince them otherwise in your own way because at the end of the day, we all want country to progress forward as we have familial roots still there and many middle-class or lower relatives still living there. 

You had said the same in the Cricket forum that we are a bunch of emotional people withno  real knowledge of how to follow cricket. And that fans are responsible for the state of the team. Ab yeh ka naya drama yahan bhi. You write such long posts with the same content for any argument. Bawala ho kya

Edited April 11 by coffee_rules

[mishra]

10 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

You had said the same in the Cricket forum that we are a bunch of emotional people with real knowledge of cricket. Ab yeh ka drama yahan bhi. You write such long posts with the same content for any argument. Bawala ho kya

He wants Modi to create a regulatory body whose sole purpose is to stop MNCs  and Adani or Ambani. He wants to ED to stop doing raids on corrupts and Supreme Court stop giving verdicts against corrupts.

 

However, If I observed correctly, He is in favour of MNCs when MNCs of West are at odds with Adani or Ambani to promote FDI.

 

He claims companies (FDI) are leaving India because of GoI while he never looks at FDI data which is basically increasing YoY.

 

I mentioned him, MNCs want Modi to create a environment(Infra and Human resouce with ease of doing business) where India can absorb FDI in tune of several hundreds of billion, He doesnt sees Modi is doing any of that.

 

To me he is confused in linking policy vs what he wants or He is simply opposing BJP for sake of opposing it.

[Real McCoy]

6 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

Very simple and I mentioned this before many many times and I think this would be good to be my last post on this politics forum. As we have zero discussion and just mudslinging on a base level (anti-national, congressi supporter etc.)

 

1) Create organizations like FTC/FDA completely separate from the government control where monopoly practices are shunted. See what FTC did with Apple where she single handedly made it impossible for Apple to use their App Store as a weapon against startups like Spotify etc. who were wanting to make more money outside the app store apple ecosystem. Or how they blocked Adobe acquiring Figma and cornering the image editing market.

 

Currently the system is designed to be used by ruling party to get their wish. Which eventually will mean the opposition party will do the same when they get to power some day.

 

You're saying create these organizations but who is gonna do it? Congress hasn't done in 70 years. I don't think BJP is gonna do it either. We basically inherited the democracy from the Brits. Our babus are not gonna do something that won't benefit them. Get real man. Indians just took over colonialism from the brits.

2) When you have a cash cow like BCCI don't put your son or relative there. Make it a completely neutral organization governed by board of directors from different sports (people like Baichung Bhutia in soccer for example) who have a singular interest of helping the entire sport culture so that ample resources are put into olympic related sports.

 

I know this is ICF but sports is just modern day bread and circus. CSK wins trophy is just Maximus slays a Lion. Its a distraction to keep away from the real issue.

 

3) Don't allow monopolies of industries from people with zero experience in it. Example: Adani should never be buying Disney or Airports (rules that existed on this got changed). Example: back in the day even Bajaj never got into movie industry for example or supermarkets. Now Reliance is way too powerful and in too many places like telecom, food, petroleum, media, movies etc.

 

You can't say Adani should never get into Airports But what you can do is stop lending money from government banks to him. And also if some private bank defaults because of loan to Adani, then don't issue bailout packages to the said private bank. Basically Adani can buy airports with his own money or loan from some private bank. Risk takers will put money in private bank for more interest and those who want to play it safe can trust the govt banks.

 

4) #3 is only possible because of SBI and LIC funding these purchases through debt. This becomes a problem when tomorrow a startup wants to get into data centers or semiconductors or similar future facing industries where they will never be able to compete against a reliance or adani. This is why innovation is curtailed as those who want to enter these industries are discouraged from the get go by local governments and similar organizations.

 

That seems to be the problem, the underlined text. Starting up is always a problem. Its never easy as many govt employees expect some You have to do the dirty to get into business of any kind. Even the streetseller gives money to the councillor sometimes even the policeman. That's how it goes in my state.

 

5) SBI and LIC loans/investments should be used in high growth areas and if it is to be given to Adani, Ambani, Bajaj, Tata or anyone else, it should be with the condition that they be utilized in high growth areas of the future. This can be in areas like semiconductors, biotechnology, data centers, electric cars etc.

 

Whether a particular sector will do better or not is upto speculation

 

Plus, there should be more money available for startup sector that are investment heavy. Example: something like a data center needs both hardware and software. A lot of startups can help in software layer while you give Adani/Microsoft/Google/Amazon the hardware layer. For this to happen you need to allocate resources for startups.

 

This is exactly why India has such high youth unemployment. In America for example 75% of the jobs are created by small businesses and startups. These companies are willing to take in freshers and juniors as they cannot pay high salaries like big corporations.

 

That's yesterday's news. USA has more unemployment related problems than India. Its not like USA is a beacon of hope. I have heard of people shitting on the roads in some locality in San Francisco. Yet CNN and BBC run their usual India is a dirty place yada yada yada

 

6) Focus on exports rather internal consumption. Encourage Adani, Ambani, Tata, Bajaj etc. that they will only get SBI or similar funding or incentives if they focus their efforts on export oriented industries. Give specific tax incentives for innovative startups in future facing industries like was given to the IT sector in late 1990's and early 2000 where all IT companies were exempt from corporate taxes for a period of 10 years.

 

7) Finally, don't use ED/SC etc. as a weapon. Here's a perfect example where in 2020 GVK Reddy who owned the Mumbai Aiport was raided by ED:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/ed-raids-gvk-group-offices-in-connection-with-mumbai-airport-scam/story-shwbGEvqZGQLrUgpdal0XN.html

And then once Adani purchased it, suddenly a couple of years later, the cases were dropped:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/mumbai-news/cbi-drops-corruption-charges-in-case-against-gvk-group-101672683095423.html

 

8) Making everything too centralized - see this article:
https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/corporate/story/india-has-not-done-that-yet-jamshyd-godrej-flags-the-strength-of-vietnam-other-manufacturing-hubs-376521-2023-04-07
 

Especially this part: Talking about Vietnam’s model of manufacturing, Godrej said: “The reason why countries like Vietnam moved ahead of India was that they took care of the entire entry and operational part of the manufacturing along with the local bodies and the government. India has not done that yet. In Vietnam, when you have an industrial park, the park authorities actually take care of every type of clearance, and permission, that one needs. It is a literally one-stop shop. It is very efficient. India has still not understood the softer aspect of running a manufacturing hub, industrial park, and all. That is very crucial for efficiency.”

 

This is not being done because of centralized planning of everything. It's being done because without such centralized planning, you cannot control local politicians and you also risk creating too much competition for incumbent corporations. Plus, to make matters worse, if an innovative company does emerge, they will be squashed by the same incumbents by purposely lowering prices easily due to zero laws against monopolies. Just look at Reliance Geo, destroyed almost everyone except maybe Airtel as no one could compete against free data being offered. Later these prices were increased once competition was destroyed.

 

9) The point is, once Congress or some other opposition wins by hook or crook (promising freebies to everyone), they too will prop up their own cronies and use these same institutions against their opposition. It's inevitable and that's why politics is becoming a blood sport where everything is fair game.

 

Case in point see this thread. Someone posts against NRI's and then even NRI's who support BJP can't defend themselves without being called unpatriotic or "meek" or "beta".

 

I'll leave this political forum now as it's pointless discussing with base level emotional people. Hope you can at least convince them otherwise in your own way because at the end of the day, we all want country to progress forward as we have familial roots still there and many middle-class or lower relatives still living there. 

 

Nice essay there I thought you posted 4-5 thoughts. It went to 10.  I gave my responses in bold for what I could read

[Real McCoy]

17 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

9) The point is, once Congress or some other opposition wins by hook or crook (promising freebies to everyone), they too will prop up their own cronies and use these same institutions against their opposition. It's inevitable and that's why politics is becoming a blood sport where everything is fair game.

 

Case in point see this thread. Someone posts against NRI's and then even NRI's who support BJP can't defend themselves without being called unpatriotic or "meek" or "beta".

 

I'll leave this political forum now as it's pointless discussing with base level emotional people. Hope you can at least convince them otherwise in your own way because at the end of the day, we all want country to progress forward as we have familial roots still there and many middle-class or lower relatives still living there. 

 

Dude I totally forgot this one. Why do you care about that beta comment? You want someone to defend their group? Come on man. This is the internet. People trash talk all the time on the internet. I dont think many people are taking it seriously as you are. Relax man. You need to let go of this need to control everything. Take a break from politics. You seem to be wounded up tightly. Have an icecream