Kron Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 58 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Looks around 6.1 or 6.2 5.7 is not at all possible. He is quite tall than Ayush Badoni who may be around that height. Lol he is 6'2. Easy. Could grow even more. He even looks tall Raj limbani looks sub 5'10 though Umran is 5'10 Tyagi is 6'3 singhvivek141 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikhil_cric Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 minutes ago, MediumPacer said: How many power hitters does india produce,and slow pace is lot more effective in india. Foreigners are picked for their extra height and pace just like mayank or umran got picked for their pace,but conditions don't suite such bowlers,likes of burger ,coetzee have all gone for runs . Brother , please look at what you're saying . You are simultaneously saying that slow pace works in India but somehow IPL teams go for foreign pacers because they are quicker. Do you think their analysts and scouts wouldn't have done enough research to know what works and what doesn't on Indian venues? Also, nobody is saying we produce more power hitters per capita than the West Indies. We produce more than enough to make an Indian lineup of powerhitters. Number and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediumPacer Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Brother , please look at what you're saying . You are simultaneously saying that slow pace works in India but somehow IPL teams go for foreign pacers because they are quicker. Do you think their analysts and scouts wouldn't have done enough research to know what works and what doesn't on Indian venues? Also, nobody is saying we produce more power hitters per capita than the West Indies. We produce more than enough to make an Indian lineup of powerhitters. I think I have been clear enough ,they look for quicker pacers but conditions mostly suite swing with the new ball or cutters with the old ball,this is why likes of harshal ,mohit sharma,bhuvi,sandeep are useful . And who are these power hitters that we have? For a batting mad country and over 15 yrs of ipl ,what does that tell you. Edited March 31 by MediumPacer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 (edited) 25 minutes ago, rkt.india said: He is around 6 to 6 feet 1 Definitely taller than 6 feet Looked around 6'2" standing besides a 6'5" Morkel Frankly speaking, as he is getting bounce off length, his exact height does not matter. Edited March 31 by express bowling singhvivek141 and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevada Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 13 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: Need more Yadavs :) Clearly X factors Jayant Yadav. Came in disguised as a bowler and scored a test century to ambush England. Mosher, express bowling, singhvivek141 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 10 minutes ago, MediumPacer said: I think I have been clear enough ,they look for quicker pacers but conditions mostly suite swing with the new ball or cutters with the old ball,this is why likes of harshal ,mohit sharma,bhuvi,sandeep are useful . And who are these power hitters that we have? For a batting mad country and over 15 yrs of ipl ,what does that tell you. It's a catch 22 situation. Foreign players are mostly pickes for 2 roles 1. Power hitting 2. Fast bowling Entire ecosystem is built around batters statpadding at the top with low SR..and then when the international team is formed, as someone has to do the dirty work, players play out of their preferred slot and hence struggle to do the role. Jitesh is a power hitter, not very good at back of length deliveries but he excels at front foot. Abhinav Manohar is a power hitter, strong against short balls as well. Samad has lost his track but he is a powerhitter as well. Rinku is a short guy but packs a punch, may not be called as power hitter but he is close to it. Ramandeep Singh is another one. express bowling, Vijy, velu and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Also, nobody is saying we produce more power hitters per capita than the West Indies. We produce more than enough to make an Indian lineup of powerhitters. Exactly ! Over the years we have seen enough power hitters / six hitters to fill our teams. 1980s .... Kapil Dev Sandeep Patil Kirti Azad 1990s .. Robin Singh Atul Bedade 2000s .... Yuvraj Singh Mahendra Dhoni The current team has 6 hitters and power hitters like Jaiswal Gill Rohit Rinku Pant Hardik Rahul Dube Kishan Jitesh Manohar and many others. Edited March 31 by express bowling singhvivek141, Suhaan, rollingstoned and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuxiliA Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 We are worse when it comes to fast tracking talent, not just in cricket but in almost every field. Seniority trumps merit. Doesn't matter if it's Sarkari Naukari or sports. Ideally this battery of 4-5 young fast bowlers that we have got now should have been immediately fast tracked to the National and A-team setups and must be under the supervision of a genuine fast bowling coach like Alan Donald, Gillespie ,etc. But sadly these new kids will keep toiling on dead domestic pitches, under below par coaches. Soon they will get distracted by IPL's fame n money and end up being mediocre. express bowling, rollingstoned and Suhaan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediumPacer Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 8 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: It's a catch 22 situation. Foreign players are mostly pickes for 2 roles 1. Power hitting 2. Fast bowling Entire ecosystem is built around batters statpadding at the top with low SR..and then when the international team is formed, as someone has to do the dirty work, players play out of their preferred slot and hence struggle to do the role. Jitesh is a power hitter, not very good at back of length deliveries but he excels at front foot. Abhinav Manohar is a power hitter, strong against short balls as well. Samad has lost his track but he is a powerhitter as well. Rinku is a short guy but packs a punch, may not be called as power hitter but he is close to it. Ramandeep Singh is another one. There was vishnu vinod as well at mi.I guess dube is one as well but he is too slow on his feet. They do scout for it but we don't produce many, that's why they mostly go for foreign options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 (edited) 15 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: It's a catch 22 situation. Foreign players are mostly pickes for 2 roles 1. Power hitting 2. Fast bowling Entire ecosystem is built around batters statpadding at the top with low SR..and then when the international team is formed, as someone has to do the dirty work, players play out of their preferred slot and hence struggle to do the role. Jitesh is a power hitter, not very good at back of length deliveries but he excels at front foot. Abhinav Manohar is a power hitter, strong against short balls as well. Samad has lost his track but he is a powerhitter as well. Rinku is a short guy but packs a punch, may not be called as power hitter but he is close to it. Ramandeep Singh is another one. We badly need someone like Mayank to change the stereotype and perception about Indians. A low average foreign pacer bowling 138 k to 148 k / 150 k in the first half of his career and then settling down to 135 k to 143 k / 145 k in the 2nd half of his career would be marketed for his pace. But Bumrah, despite having the same profile as this, is marketed more for his skills. We need a couple of extreme speed pacers like Mayank doing well and terrorizing batters. Have successful international careers. Then the perception may change. We have had big names like Kapil, Dhoni and Yuvraj hitting the ball so hard. Even Tendulkar did slthough not a 6 hitter. Now there are big names like Pant and Hardik. But perception does not change. Edited March 31 by express bowling singhvivek141, Vijy, Mosher and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK55 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Also these anchors need to be educated FFS. “when an Indian bowls 150” Mayanti We’ve had Aaron Umesh Bumrah Umran and many others touching 150k numerous times. Mosher, express bowling, nevada and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 4 minutes ago, express bowling said: We badly need someone like Mayank to change the stereotype and perception about Indians. A low average foreign pacer bowling 138 k to 148 k / 150 k in the first half of his career and then settling down to 135 k to 143 k / 145 k in the 2nd half of his career would be marketed for his pace. But Bumrah, despite having the same profile as this, is marketed more for his skills. We need a couple of extreme speed pacers like Mayank doing well and terrorizing batters. Have successful international careers. Then the perception may change. We have had big names like Kapil, Dhoni and Yuvraj hitting the ball so hard. Even Tendulkar did slthough not a 6 hitter. Now there are big names like Pant and Hardik. But perception does not change. Marketing too plays a role. Spencer Johhson was hyped as a 150k pacer..when in reality he is around 140 mark. Mark Wood when I saw him in 2015 was bowling 138-145. But Britishers were hyping him as if he is some Brett Lee, though over the years he upped his pace (specially after arrival or Archer). We don't do marketing of our pacers, its the foreigners like Brett Lee who does for us. That's wrong, someone like Zak or Gavaskar or Ganguly should hype these bowlers as well. Instead they keep their mouth quiet and don't talk about it. express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vishalvirsingh Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 can mayank be the highest wicket taker in this IPL....? i hope they don't create total PATTA's... i feel he will take wickets in this IPL with this line n length even on Patta's express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediumPacer Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 11 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Marketing too plays a role. Spencer Johhson was hyped as a 150k pacer..when in reality he is around 140 mark. Mark Wood when I saw him in 2015 was bowling 138-145. But Britishers were hyping him as if he is some Brett Lee, though over the years he upped his pace (specially after arrival or Archer). We don't do marketing of our pacers, its the foreigners like Brett Lee who does for us. That's wrong, someone like Zak or Gavaskar or Ganguly should hype these bowlers as well. Instead they keep their mouth quiet and don't talk about it. Instead of pr, just quicken up the pitches,that would be more effective,don't allow any turn, otherwise might as well bowl cutters or spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediumPacer Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 26 minutes ago, MediumPacer said: There was vishnu vinod as well at mi.I guess dube is one as well but he is too slow on his feet. They do scout for it but we don't produce many, that's why they mostly go for foreign options. I think nehal wadhera could be tried,he can be like a rinku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 (edited) Need to create more sporting pitches in domestic cricket .... where pacers who bowl with effort, spinners who can turn the ball and batters who can apply themselves succeed. And pacers who just place the ball there, spinners who don't get zip or turn and batters who bat casually don't succeed. Edited March 31 by express bowling Mosher, Suhaan and rollingstoned 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikhil_cric Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 49 minutes ago, express bowling said: Exactly ! Over the years we have seen enough power hitters / six hitters to fill our teams. 1980s .... Kapil Dev Sandeep Patil Kirti Azad 1990s .. Robin Singh Atul Bedade 2000s .... Yuvraj Singh Mahendra Dhoni The current team has 6 hitters and power hitters like Jaiswal Gill Rohit Rinku Pant Hardik Rahul Dube Kishan Jitesh Manohar and many others. Even Shreyas can hit some really big sixes as we saw in the World Cup Sanju Samson was given a power rating that was higher than any other player in the IPL by Cricviz and that included Russell and Pollard types. rollingstoned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikhil_cric Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, MediumPacer said: I think I have been clear enough ,they look for quicker pacers but conditions mostly suite swing with the new ball or cutters with the old ball,this is why likes of harshal ,mohit sharma,bhuvi,sandeep are useful . And who are these power hitters that we have? For a batting mad country and over 15 yrs of ipl ,what does that tell you. You implied this was the case across formats. So no, you weren't particularly clear about it. Also you are acting as if only these medium pacers were ever effective . High pace has done well at various times even in the IPL. And just because a country is cricket mad doesn't mean they have the coaching resources and knowhow throughout the system to develop power hitters. It requires specific training Edited March 31 by Nikhil_cric express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 4 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Even Shreyas can hit some really big sixes as we saw in the World Cup Sanju Samson was given a power rating that was higher than any other player in the IPL by Cricviz and that included Russell and Pollard types. So this inferiority complex regarding fast bowlers and power hitters must go. We have 4 of the quickest pacers in the world now .. Mayank, Tyagi, Umran, Sen. Nagarkoti got lost in the system. Need to improve them and utilize them and market them. singhvivek141, rollingstoned, Vijy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 47 minutes ago, MediumPacer said: Instead of pr, just quicken up the pitches,that would be more effective,don't allow any turn, otherwise might as well bowl cutters or spin. My statement was more so towards the way our desi anchors & commentators act surprised when someone from India hits 150kph. When Mayank clocked 155.8 yesterday, Murali Karthik was more interested in talking of the googly difference between Chahar & Bishnoi. Even after that it was actually Hayden which pointed out the pace, Karthik was struggling to even complete a sentence about the speed. Broadcasters immediately shown that pace right up the mark. DDG spoke few things from next over along with lady commentator. But the way Murali Karthik behaved, I was simply flabbergasted, you don't see such speeds even in international cricket. Atleast acknowledge something rare. Edited March 31 by singhvivek141 rollingstoned, Vijy, express bowling and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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