To save India.. we need a strong opposition otherwise BJP will destroy the country

[Muloghonto]

48 minutes ago, straighttalk said:

You actually intentionally avoided the two leaders who are closest to Modi.. Xi and Putin.. under whom the country did well but people's freedom were taken away and protestors or minorities were persecuted.. what the diff between them 

Neither of those two leaders are closest to modi and there is no minority persecution under  Modi. 

 

[mishra]

4 hours ago, straighttalk said:

Why doesn't Adani be jailed for breaking so many investment laws.. why is state sponsored electoral bonds be investigated... How come adani and ambani gets all the goodies.. why do the bjp rapists hold power on wrestling competition... How come bjp has so many defectors in the poll sheet.. how does all the cases drop when the leader joins bjp or gives up politics... Put the crooked behind bars but don't be blind.. why are you getting so twisted if we say that we need a strong and good opposition someone like PVR or Indira  versus Rahul Gandhi against Modi.. questionisnt is Congress better.. question is .. is it good for India to let Modi be a dictator or to have a leader against him who has a vision and is equally good for India but doesn't bring all the baggage. When he errs.. get someone else elected

1.Before asking also be prepared to propose a alternative to Adani infra manufacturing machine which is Indian version of BRI? 
2. Same again, propose  better alternative to Electoral Bond.

Thats why i call third grade mentally bankrupt opposition because  unless you Give a alternative to RSS and you will NOT  have a party and politician better than BJP.

 

Honest opinion, Every political party have a vote bank. But there is a fluid class of voter which is educated,intelligent and smart enough to make his vote count. So it votes tactically to other politicians till BJP reaches a certain vote percentage in their states and then BAAM! And political analysts get surprised how this happened. 
 

Modi has asked for 370, He will get 370.

 

I am not politically affiliated to BJP but I can atleast analyse what and how it’s happening 

 

Edited April 4, 2024 by mishra

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

LOL - that number is probably a mere thousands funny how you bring this up when Chinese middle class decimates India's middle class in purchasing power.

 

 

This is exactly what I mean... You cannot dominate semi conductor, AI or future pacing industries by having zero English communication skills.

 

Taiwan dominates semiconductor industry and has less than half the skills of India in english. Same with Japan and Korea in manufacturing. Clearly, you have never dealt with Japanese or Korean companies,otherwise you'd know how poor their english is. 

And with that goes yet another nonsense theory of yours.

 

 

[Muloghonto]

56 minutes ago, straighttalk said:

Ya funny when the party has a legacy of rioting and inciting population in the name of religion... And stakes it's claim on putting majority against minority..

 

Japan under dictatorship went to world war.. which leader ruled Japan for decades without opposition after that

I hope you are not talking about North Korea.

 

And yes founding PM of Singapore did a great job and was elected for years. 

There are far less riots and incitement of the population under BJP government than under Congress. This is an objective,citable fact as riots have massively gone down under the BJP government. 

 

[mishra]

13 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

There are far less riots and incitement of the population under BJP government than under Congress. This is an objective,citable fact as riots have massively gone down under the BJP government. 

 

Exactly, Forget Riots, Bhopal Gas tragedy and handling of it is prime example of how Congress rule works.i will say again, Main Reason why whole episode was brushed under carpet was because almost everyone impacted was from poor Muslim Chawl which used to live around that factory and Railway station. No Muslim body ever raises this question to Congress. 

 

Previous governments have countless funerals on their watch. Karma has way to get you. 

Edited April 4, 2024 by mishra

[Muloghonto]

18 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

Haha... just because they speak their native language doesn't mean they are not bilingual.

 

Comparing Japan, Taiwan and South Korea to Hindi Medium nonsense is exactly the root cause of the issues.

They are mostly NOT bilingual. As i said, its clear you have not dealt with them. I have dealt with Japanese & Taiwanese tech people for close to 20 years and even the best of them speak english like a hindi medium kid who aced english but hardly ever spoke it. 
Why do you insist on commenting on **** you have no experience with ?

 

18 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

The corporates want useful slaves who is stuck in India and not able to migrate or move elsewhere. That way they control them and extract as much as possible from them until they die or retire.

 

Only difference is you wrap that around a flag of fake patriotism, it's easy to sell with media owned by you. 

 

It's exactly what North Korea and China does where someone slaving away 14 hours per day is told its their national duty. That Infosys CEO tried the same thing recently.

 

Look at how they are pushing people to get into Civil service instead of being entrepreneurs or working in private sector. It's all by design, so that 10-20 years from now you have useful idiots who will do as they say from higher authority and will not leave the country for better opportunities.

We direly need civil service and you'd know this if you saw the scope of India's missions overseas and the budget allocated to them. 

This is not an issue. 

 

18 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

Fools like you sitting abroad don't have to suffer these consequences but all the people who are returning back to India from abroad's kids and next generation will feel this heavily.

Fools like you will make up any nonsense and run propaganda campaigns and then run away when asked questions.

You keep saying this government is doing jack **** for manufacturing or chip manufacturing in the country and how vietnam is overtaking us and apparently in 20 years vietnam will all have rolls royce and we will have bailgaari. Yet, when i asked you, what is the amount invested in funds for chip manufacturing in the last 5 years, you went missing and repeatedly dodged the question. Why ?

 

18 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

That's why my argument is not even with you. But at least open your eyes to see how the corporates are controlling the country and BJP is enabling it just to remain in power. It's getting to the point of no return now, 10 more years of this and India becomes a USSR with oligarchs ruling the country as a permanent class and no body will be able to stop it including Modi.

 

Corporates control every country there is, unless its China or North Korea. Thankfully, India is far less corporate controlled than your mai-baap USA and the western nations. And we are headed the way of USA, not USSR when it comes to oligarchic control and private media controlled by the government with seeded former CIA/SD personnel as analysts. 

As they say, if you wanna be the best, you sometimes have to copy the best. 

 

[mishra]

^ Because BJP has delivered what.they promised. Also BJP has no alternative for now.  Congress rule was a rule of non delivery.
 

only one thing left. We want all corrupts to be pushed into prison. 

Edited April 4, 2024 by mishra

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, BlueBlood said:

This thread has proven the point that brainwashing has gone to such a level in India now that no one will change their opinion.

This thread proves very well how brainwashed you are 

To recap: 
1. You whine about government doing nothing to promote manufacturing and chip industry, but go missing when i ask you how much has been invested in this very sector in the last 3-4 years

2. You whine how 'hindi medium' schools will destroy India's export economy, but go missing when i point out that Japanese and Korean team leaders with 20 year experience on international business trips speak like ' you want apple or i take ?' . 

 

1 hour ago, BlueBlood said:

 

 

The difference is it's worse now than ever before and blatantly obvious and in your face.

Show us evidence. Citation of data. 

if you cannot, then your position = propaganda. 

 

1 hour ago, BlueBlood said:

 

 

 

As I said, 15-20 years from now the damage will be entirely obvious when the country will severely lag behind adversaries and the complete looting of the country by extracting every last ounce of money, sweat and resources will be completed by then. Until then enjoy your chest thumping because at the end of the day none of the people here will ever see a single rupee gain from defending these modern day oligarchs but they will enjoy the absolute unfettered monopolies they have and live like kings at your expense.

Bold of you to assume that NRIs like us do not hold stocks in these mega corps. 

 

1 hour ago, BlueBlood said:

 

In the end, let this be proof that when the SHTF, there were people who warned this would happen and you all willingly and knowingly played a part in supporting this. There will be no excuses of "we didn't know" or BS like that. I will end this discussion at that and leave this political discussion board as it's clear I am not discussing with neutral minded or clear headed people but rather a brainwashed media manipulated person who will never be convinced otherwise.

Yes, you are so clear-headed that you have not posted a single shred of evidence to back up your claims and repeatedly gone missing when asked to address the actual data. 

Stop projecting your brainwashed self on to others and look into the mirror yourself.

 

[Muloghonto]

10 hours ago, straighttalk said:

Why doesn't Adani be jailed for breaking so many investment laws.. why is state sponsored electoral bonds be investigated... How come adani and ambani gets all the goodies.. why do the bjp rapists hold power on wrestling competition... How come bjp has so many defectors in the poll sheet.. how does all the cases drop when the leader joins bjp or gives up politics... Put the crooked behind bars but don't be blind.. why are you getting so twisted if we say that we need a strong and good opposition someone like PVR or Indira  versus Rahul Gandhi against Modi.. questionisnt is Congress better.. question is .. is it good for India to let Modi be a dictator or to have a leader against him who has a vision and is equally good for India but doesn't bring all the baggage. When he errs.. get someone else elected

Because Adani has not been found guilty of breaching any laws. Thats the simple answer. 

 

[Real McCoy]

12 hours ago, straighttalk said:

These questions were asked .. Indira lost elections. Vajpyee won and even modi won. Aside from Emergency no other leader has absolute control over media who is his propaganda arm and ED/CBI who are harassing opposition leader as well as all the cash for seat shenanigans Amit bhaiya pulls off... Hell he talks about Pappu and installs his useless son as BCCI chief

 

So your main idea of this post is to attack bjp not to improve India's welfare. I gave you a long rope. You just hanged yourself. Whether the use of ED is good or bad, it only depends on the criminal activites of Kejriwal and other that are causing them to be in jail. Case closed.

 

Apart from the brief interference by Morarji Desai and by Congress' own Shastri, it was in the hands on the Gandhi family. Even now they own Congress much to their falling out of favor. They have sought their own demise by sticking to Gandhis at the helm. Look how they treated PVNR's death, arguably their greatest candidate. Karma is a biyatch

[Number]

ED CBI going after smallest scams is one of the best things that is happening.

Earlier in this country both opposition and ruling govt could go away with anything as both sort of protected each other's wrongs.

But now things seem to have changed. Any politician of opposition at least can't get away with it. And even the ruling party CMs will know it could be their turn too one day.

 

[Insidious]

30 minutes ago, Number said:

ED CBI going after smallest scams is one of the best things that is happening.

Earlier in this country both opposition and ruling govt could go away with anything as both sort of protected each other's wrongs.

But now things seem to have changed. Any politician of opposition at least can't get away with it. And even the ruling party CMs will know it could be their turn too one day.

 

Issue is not ED and CBI initiating proceedings against politician of opposition parties. Issue is dropping of charges against the same politician when he/she joins the ruling party.

 

The ruling party has made a mockery of institution like ED/CBI.

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Insidious said:

Issue is not ED and CBI initiating proceedings against politician of opposition parties. Issue is dropping of charges against the same politician when he/she joins the ruling party.

 

The ruling party has made a mockery of institution like ED/CBI.

Charges are NOT dropped against anyone. Note 95% cases of ED are against these non political people. ED is prioritising suspects who are High on NSA radar (Hawala, drug mafia terrorist funding  political bigwigs or sympathiser of terrorist or suspected links). . Then comes opposition with suspected pro china stand.  Everyone else are low priority.

 

You dont see people from BJD under lens. They govern huge state. Supremos of SP is not under lens. Now if tomorrow, Stalin is found involved in busted DMK drug trafficing ring, ED will make a case somewhere , where they can prosecute. For now, seems like Stalin was unaware of DMK drug trafficking ring

 

Even for AAP, Bhagwant Mann is biggest leader and has a circle. But question is not if Kejri or others are corrupt, Question is why is ED after Kejri and his inner circle?

Answer: Magsasay Award, UN, US, Germanys reactions

 

Mr Soren! Why  him. Answer: Naxal Belt ie Chinas field.

Edited April 5, 2024 by mishra

[Number]

1 hour ago, Insidious said:

Issue is not ED and CBI initiating proceedings against politician of opposition parties. Issue is dropping of charges against the same politician when he/she joins the ruling party.

 

The ruling party has made a mockery of institution like ED/CBI.

This is opposition's propaganda. Please read this. Most of the cases closed/charges dropped or bails etc have happened long before joining bjp. 

 

 

 

[Number]

On 4/4/2024 at 9:19 PM, straighttalk said:

Absolutely . And that's why modi keeps getting elected.. and in the long run that's bad for India.. modi without doubt is a better leader and administrator for India but he bring in authoritarianism along with a legacy of religious bloodshed... Allowing bjp to be the one party ruler of India is akin to moving under ccp

lol the priority of Indians at this point should be to select someone who can run this country.

Our per capita income is at sub saharan levels, we are one of the most fcked up poor country who should worry about a lot of things other than fighting imaginary battles of saving free speech and democracy.

Edited April 5, 2024 by Number

[randomGuy]

32 minutes ago, Number said:

lol the priority of Indians at this point should be to select someone who can run this country.

Our per capita income is at sub saharan levels, we are one of the most fcked up poor country who should worry about a lot of things other than fighting imaginary battles of saving free speech and democracy.

Have you been to the sub Saharan Africa to compare?

[Number]

9 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Have you been to the sub Saharan Africa to compare?

No. Just making a point that being one of the most poor countries in the world, we should look for better administrators and leaders rather than taking them for granted and fighting daemons of dictatorship when none exist. 

 

Look at this gem of ultra pro max democratic congress government. Kept losing out on investments like these.

https://www.forbes.com/2007/09/06/intel-india-china-markets-equity-cx_rd_0906markets1.html?sh=187bc1114bf9

 

 

 

 

 

[randomGuy]

42 minutes ago, Number said:

No. Just making a point that being one of the most poor countries in the world, we should look for better administrators and leaders rather than taking them for granted and fighting daemons of dictatorship when none exist. 

 

Look at this gem of ultra pro max democratic congress government. Kept losing out on investments like these.

https://www.forbes.com/2007/09/06/intel-india-china-markets-equity-cx_rd_0906markets1.html?sh=187bc1114bf9

 

 

 

 

 

I know I am going tangential to your main point but I won't refer to India as one of the poorest, more so because govt is aiming to make it a developed country in 23 years. Probably a middle income country atm.

[nevada]

On 4/3/2024 at 12:18 PM, cowboysfan said:

Congress is the only reason for the rise of a party like BJP which smartly has shown the appeasement politics of Congress.majority of the hindi heartbelt see Gandhis and Congress as Anti-hindu now.imo its all down to pappu,he has scored own goals after own goals since 2014 and is doing it almost everyday in the election year.There is no hope for Congress as long as Rahul is directing them to disaster.I still dont understand why they didnt attend the Ram Mandir opening,they would have lost zero Muslim vote but still declined the invitation.

I suspect Pappu is actually an agent of the BJP! He is probably scoring self goals as part of a deal to keep himself and his family out of prison. 

[Real McCoy]

10 hours ago, nevada said:

I suspect Pappu is actually an agent of the BJP! He is probably scoring self goals as part of a deal to keep himself and his family out of prison. 

 

haven't thought about that scenario. could be true who knows