cowboysfan Posted June 27, 2024 Posted June 27, 2024 The sensible thing to do is open with Jaiswal and drop Kohli to no 3 but i KNOW they will play the same team in the final so no point even discussing this train wreck. Frustrated and SandeepMotta 2
Frustrated Posted June 27, 2024 Posted June 27, 2024 This should be his last T20 WC, hopefully. Incredible that we hv managed to reach the WC Final despite the presence of so many passengers in the team.
The Realist Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 Dube’s is a remnant from India’s archaic approach of a year or so ago. He’s severely restricted with his footwork, he can’t adapt too well to short ball, and he doesn’t seem to pick pace variations very well. In short, Dube doesn’t have the finesse for the position. What he has is a long lever and a burly shot behind it but he needs the ball in his arc to be effective. Bowlers have obviously studied him enough to not bowl it there, and so Dube just swings away - connects some, misses most. Talking about Dube on Star Sports former India opener Murali Vijay said: “IPL is a different ball game. International cricket is different and I can say Dube is not in form and is struggling…his feet are rooted because he doesn’t have the time to move forward." https://www.deccanherald.com/sports/cricket/india-s-dube-size-predicament-cricket-t20-world-cup-3080394
Ultimate_Game Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 6 minutes ago, The Realist said: Dube’s is a remnant from India’s archaic approach of a year or so ago. He’s severely restricted with his footwork, he can’t adapt too well to short ball, and he doesn’t seem to pick pace variations very well. In short, Dube doesn’t have the finesse for the position. What he has is a long lever and a burly shot behind it but he needs the ball in his arc to be effective. Bowlers have obviously studied him enough to not bowl it there, and so Dube just swings away - connects some, misses most. Talking about Dube on Star Sports former India opener Murali Vijay said: “IPL is a different ball game. International cricket is different and I can say Dube is not in form and is struggling…his feet are rooted because he doesn’t have the time to move forward." https://www.deccanherald.com/sports/cricket/india-s-dube-size-predicament-cricket-t20-world-cup-3080394 I've never seen Dube's feet move anytime and anywhere - be it IPL, against minnows or otherwise. The guy is a slogger with one shot - slog over mid wkt in case the spinner is stupid enough to pitch it up in his arc. I've never seen a more limited player in my life and he was brought in place of someone like Rinku who has the complete game, and mentally tougher. Can't even imaging what Dube will do if he comes up against Nortje, Rabada or Jansen. And this bozo even made it to the Zim tour replacing Reddy when Venky Iyer is a much better replacement across batting, bowling & fielding.
Suhaan Posted June 28, 2024 Author Posted June 28, 2024 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: I've never seen Dube's feet move anytime and anywhere - be it IPL, against minnows or otherwise. The guy is a slogger with one shot - slog over mid wkt in case the spinner is stupid enough to pitch it up in his arc. I've never seen a more limited player in my life and he was brought in place of someone like Rinku who has the complete game, and mentally tougher. Can't even imaging what Dube will do if he comes up against Nortje, Rabada or Jansen. And this bozo even made it to the Zim tour replacing Reddy when Venky Iyer is a much better replacement across batting, bowling & fielding. These seems Dhoni recommendations Ruturaj, Deshpande,chahar like trashes making it quite easily Edited June 28, 2024 by Suhaan Rightarmfast 1
coffee_rules Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 After the India innings yesterday Ultimate_Game 1
ravishingravi Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 For me, I feel bad for Dube. He doesn't belong there. But now that this moronic management can't or doesn't want to change course, good luck to him and the team.
vvvslaxman Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 18 hours ago, cowboysfan said: The sensible thing to do is open with Jaiswal and drop Kohli to no 3 but i KNOW they will play the same team in the final so no point even discussing this train wreck. You can play jaiswal directly in place of Dube. Same batting.position. He won't do worse. Number and Ultimate_Game 2
AKane Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 Promoting Pandya and Jadeja ahead of Dube has wrecked him confidence wise.....If, if he is needed in the finals - don't count for much after what happened in the SF. Ultimate_Game 1
AKane Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 1 hour ago, The Realist said: “IPL is a different ball game. International cricket is different and I can say Dube is not in form and is struggling…his feet are rooted because he doesn’t have the time to move forward." Even in the IPL after a month or so the bowlers figured out Dube and he was not very effective after that. It was not the team selection that affected him, it was the bowlers not feeding him balls that he wanted. Ultimate_Game and Frustrated 1 1
Ultimate_Game Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Suhaan said: These seems Dhoni recommendations Ruturaj, Deshpande,chahar like trashes making it quite easily But surely Dube shouldn't have been considered after his performances this WT20. How can selectors pick Dube and not someone like Venky Iyer? Venky is an attacking top order batsman and can bowl much better than Dube. Plus Venky showed up in IPL playoffs. It looks like there's an agenda against KKR players. First Varun C gets ignored when he was the best Indian spinner in IPL. Then Harshit Rana gets ignored despite being one of the best pacers in IPL. And now it's Venky. Surely there's something going on and it looks like team selections are done based on IPL franchises and KKR isn't in BCCI's good books. I fail to understand what's the upside of persisting with Dube. Even if he succeeds in a one-off game it wouldn't change anything and he'll fail more often than not. So why not move on to someone who has the potential and a higher ceiling such as Venky or even Sai Sudarshan for that matter? Even though Sai Sudarshan is more suited to ODIs than T20s, I would still take him ahead of Dube. Edited June 28, 2024 by Ultimate_Game vvvslaxman 1
Frustrated Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 https://www.republicworld.com/sports/cricket/world-cup/fraud-shivam-dube-netizens-fume-as-batter-goes-for-golden-duck-in-semi-final
Frustrated Posted June 28, 2024 Posted June 28, 2024 Now Dube's selection is being criticised massively even by main stream media.
Kron Posted June 29, 2024 Posted June 29, 2024 3 hours ago, Frustrated said: https://www.republicworld.com/sports/cricket/world-cup/fraud-shivam-dube-netizens-fume-as-batter-goes-for-golden-duck-in-semi-final Lmao
Ultimate_Game Posted June 29, 2024 Posted June 29, 2024 11 hours ago, AKane said: Promoting Pandya and Jadeja ahead of Dube has wrecked him confidence wise.....If, if he is needed in the finals - don't count for much after what happened in the SF. It's clear Dube's position is no longer tenable so may as well drop him and get Jaiswal in. Surely Jaiswal can't do any worse. And SA will go with a pace heavy attack and I really don't have the appetite to see Dube face likes of Nortje, Rabada, Jansen, Coetzee, Baartman or any other pacer(s) SA goes with. Get Jaiswal in, push Kohli to 3 and no Dube. 3 birds killed with the same stone plus we get a left-right combo at the top of the order! Frustrated 1
Kron Posted June 29, 2024 Posted June 29, 2024 10 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said: But surely Dube shouldn't have been considered after his performances this WT20. How can selectors pick Dube and not someone like Venky Iyer? Venky is an attacking top order batsman and can bowl much better than Dube. Plus Venky showed up in IPL playoffs. It looks like there's an agenda against KKR players. First Varun C gets ignored when he was the best Indian spinner in IPL. Then Harshit Rana gets ignored despite being one of the best pacers in IPL. And now it's Venky. Surely there's something going on and it looks like team selections are done based on IPL franchises and KKR isn't in BCCI's good books. I fail to understand what's the upside of persisting with Dube. Even if he succeeds in a one-off game it wouldn't change anything and he'll fail more often than not. So why not move on to someone who has the potential and a higher ceiling such as Venky or even Sai Sudarshan for that matter? Even though Sai Sudarshan is more suited to ODIs than T20s, I would still take him ahead of Dube. Even vijay shankar is better than pawaar hittaa dube. Venky yes is good option He'll parag can bowl better. Samad too Frustrated 1
Kron Posted June 29, 2024 Posted June 29, 2024 31 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: It's clear Dube's position is no longer tenable so may as well drop him and get Jaiswal in. Surely Jaiswal can't do any worse. And SA will go with a pace heavy attack and I really don't have the appetite to see Dube face likes of Nortje, Rabada, Jansen, Coetzee, Baartman or any other pacer(s) SA goes with. Get Jaiswal in, push Kohli to 3 and no Dube. 3 birds killed with the same stone plus we get a left-right combo at the top of the order! Baartman and coetze suck tbh. Jansen and rabada are rhe dangermen Nortje goes for runs alot Frustrated 1
Ultimate_Game Posted June 29, 2024 Posted June 29, 2024 4 minutes ago, Kron said: Baartman and coetze suck tbh. Jansen and rabada are rhe dangermen Nortje goes for runs alot We're talking about them against Dube. I can bowl my 110-115 kph pies and Dube will struggle. I doubt Dube can even see Nortje's deliveries and by the time his bat is halfway down, it'll be all over. Kron 1
Ultimate_Game Posted June 29, 2024 Posted June 29, 2024 7 minutes ago, Kron said: Even vijay shankar is better than pawaar hittaa dube. Venky yes is good option He'll parag can bowl better. Samad too At this point I can honestly say I would be a better option. I've the same level of footwork and results wouldn't vary that much either. Kron 1
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