Shaheen Afridi - Journey from "They cannot play him" to "We cannot play him"

[neel roy]

king se na takrana

king se natak karna seekh lena

[Kron]

35 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

There was no Pakistan... It was India under Mughals and later British. There was no concept of Paxtan at all.

British Indian Army had regiments both from Modern day India and Paxtan...which technically helped them rule over India.

But what I meant was that only pak portion was conquered the most. Other states weren't. They were subject to 800 year rule not all of india. Most were well under 200. South is even less. 

 

Afghans obviously got destroyed the most.

[Lone Wolf]

1 minute ago, Kron said:

But what I meant was that only pak portion was conquered the most. Other states weren't. They were subject to 800 year rule not all of india. Most were well under 200. South is even less. 

 

Afghans obviously got destroyed the most.

Nah almost whole of India except Assam under warlike Ahoms and extreme South... The Bahamani sultans occupied the whole of Deccan and except Vijayanagara empire there was virtually no resistance at all.

Mughal rule technically lasted only 200 years.

300 years of Turkic + Slave rule was far more disastrous prior to that. The sultanate one. 

[Ultimate_Game]

5 hours ago, Kron said:

I remember the great Adamant , the resident moron said shaheen is as good as shami and bumrah lmao

And naseem is as talented too.

Hahaha

 

Sit down dawg

 

Yeah the Adamant guy and Putrevus love Kohli and Pak players, and over-estimate the capabilities of both 

[Kron]

29 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nah almost whole of India except Assam under warlike Ahoms and extreme South... The Bahamani sultans occupied the whole of Deccan and except Vijayanagara empire there was virtually no resistance at all.

Mughal rule technically lasted only 200 years.

300 years of Turkic + Slave rule was far more disastrous prior to that. The sultanate one. 

Delhi sultante yea under tuqlaq. But that only lasted sub 100 years in most of india. And then that was thwarted too. 

 

Other ones like mamlul and co dint last long and even if they did it was only north India mostly. 

[Ultimate_Game]

31 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

Why did Kirsten take up this job ? Does he have to pay dowry for his daughter ? What exactly explains this move. 

 

I'm genuinely scared for him. With all this infighting, politics and drama, he may meet the same fate as Woolmer 

[Lone Wolf]

1 minute ago, Kron said:

Delhi sultante yea under tuqlaq. But that only lasted sub 100 years in most of india. And then that was thwarted too. 

 

Other ones like mamlul and co dint last long and even if they did it was only north India mostly. 

Nahi Khilji under his General Kafur even raided as Far as Madurai.

Ibn Batuta has written some horrible details of those South campaigns in his book.

Dude accumulated largest standing army in the world which eventually paid off when Mongols invaded North India & were driven back.. perhaps only positive thing Sultanate ever did.

[Kron]

38 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nahi Khilji under his General Kafur even raided as Far as Madurai.

Ibn Batuta has written some horrible details of those South campaigns in his book.

Dude accumulated largest standing army in the world which eventually paid off when Mongols invaded North India & were driven back.. perhaps only positive thing Sultanate ever did.

I have seen khalji's empire. It wasn't entirely india. Most of east wasn't conquered. 

But yea even then it dint last long enough. Besides he could only invade due to infighting down south where chola empire finally succumbed to pandyans after almost 1500 plus years of rule. 

 

Ahom is another one they couldn't touch. Rastrakutas when they were present, invaders of Muslim origin couldn't penetrate west portion of india. Yet again, due to petty quarrels amongst themselves with local chieftains and cause of lack of unity they were eventually weakened and invaders were finally to take advantage.

 

There was a good youtube videos that actually highlights how many years each state of india were under Muslim rule.

 

Only delhi region were under their rule for over 360 years. 

 

Rest were well under 200. Down south was under 100 as most always fought back. 

 

Parties being genetically weak got destroyed for 800 straight years. 

Edited July 13, 2024 by Kron

[tapandrun]

Shaheen Afridi - Journey from "They cannot play him" to "We cannot play him" what has changed  ? his  pace...

[Adamant]

On 7/13/2024 at 2:42 PM, Kron said:

I remember the great Adamant , the resident moron said shaheen is as good as shami and bumrah lmao

And naseem is as talented too.

Hahaha

 

Sit down dawg

Can you point me to the post where I said he is as good as Bumrah.
I still maintain that he is talented and will come good, lets see how it goes.

How many times do I have to kick you on your face before you start behaving.

[Adamant]

On 7/13/2024 at 8:32 PM, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Yeah the Adamant guy and Putrevus love Kohli and Pak players, and over-estimate the capabilities of both 

I dont love pak players at all, saying that one of them is talented doesn't make me anti national or a pakistani.

You need to come out of this narrow mindset.

You guys here act so bawdy and macho amongst a 99% Indian audience, go run your mouth in other forums, I am quite sure with your lack of knowledge and blind nationalism you will be exposed everywhere.

[Kron]

57 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Can you point me to the post where I said he is as good as Bumrah.
I still maintain that he is talented and will come good, lets see how it goes.

How many times do I have to kick you on your face before you start behaving.

Kick me in the face? When.

I have literally stuffed my balls on your face virtually every time. You are dead and gone long time back. Don't you have a train to catch to masage kohli's anus?

[Kron]

55 minutes ago, Adamant said:

I dont love pak players at all, saying that one of them is talented doesn't make me anti national or a pakistani.

You need to come out of this narrow mindset.

You guys here act so bawdy and macho amongst a 99% Indian audience, go run your mouth in other forums, I am quite sure with your lack of knowledge and blind nationalism you will be exposed everywhere.

Sure we will. We do the same everywhere. No mullah sullah or white convict cracker has manage to expose crap. Only thing that gets exposed is their lack of cognitive ability which you have a phd in.

[New guy]

16 hours ago, Kron said:

Kick me in the face? When.

I have literally stuffed my balls on your face virtually every time. You are dead and gone long time back. Don't you have a train to catch to masage kohli's anus?

Just because Kohli has trouble with a bowler he thinks he must be a great bowler lol, our second generation will treat him like Aussies used to treat Mohanty

Edited July 17, 2024 by New guy

[Rightarmfast]

Tbh, I dont believe he is a bad bowler at all. He is a tier 1 bowler, just not in the leagues of Indian fast bowlers. I would rate him at the same level as Siraj. 

Shaheen is very similar to Srinath. Doesnt have a good team or partner to support him. He will never reach his potentials.

But lets not be like Pakistanis and try to pull down a good cricketer.

[Gollum]

He pulled out from Sydney test to keep himself fresh for T20s against NZ. Showed his priorities and ambition. Also cowardice.

Edited July 16, 2024 by Gollum

[Kron]

4 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Tbh, I dont believe he is a bad bowler at all. He is a tier 1 bowler, just not in the leagues of Indian fast bowlers. I would rate him at the same level as Siraj. 

Shaheen is very similar to Srinath. Doesnt have a good team or partner to support him. He will never reach his potentials.

But lets not be like Pakistanis and try to pull down a good cricketer.

He is a very good bowler hut just not as good as our main 3. 

[Zero_Unit]

On 7/13/2024 at 8:50 AM, Gollum said:

What's he doing - why is he acting like a handicap 

[tapandrun]

Pak team does not bother about Test and now even ODIs, T20s are their only focus.

Pak TM and selectors finds it hard to get a half decent test bowling line-up. None of their pace bowler bowls any where near their T20 speeds.

 

Shaeen was at him prime during that 1/2 years during 2021 T20 WC, he was bowling at/around 145 kmph, touching 150 kmph.  Fast., swing in the stumps is hard to negotiate even so when batter have to take risks in t20 format. Even then he was single trick pony (not saying he is bad bowler) -He never had a bouncer or a pacy ball going across the batter or a big in-dipper. 

 

After his injury he has not be able to bowl anywhere near that pace, most bowling sub 140 kmph, losing that air speed his deliveries starts swinging too early and talking it away from middle and leg and more towards leg side which are easy pickings for batter just need to flick such balls, he tries to counter that trying to ball bit quicker and bit full but it becomes full-tosses and then not having same kind of pace even the balls landing in yorker zone are easy to negotiate.-- He kind of lost the sting.

 

And with already being limited skill bowler who could only bowl 1 length he is finding difficult to bowl at all the phases. Batters knows its going to be full or even full-toss.

He was trying to add slower ones and some bouncers lately but the template Pak bowling has (v.good template for t20 bowling), they need early wkts from him.

 

He is still a good bowler and LAF still has major advantage in T20s.

In Test- cricketers or even PCB does not care about it. ODI is more or less same as test for PCB. All focus and PCB resources are going to T20 cricket

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by tapandrun

[vvvslaxman]

This guy had all the ingredients to be a successful fast bowler.  Lean, tall, high release,  left armer to boot with, ability to swing. But that is all he has. He never expanded his game beyond that. Also never had the smarts of Wasim Akram to set up a batsman. Just went for glory ball after glory ball and in the process lost the radar more often than not.