Paris Olympics 2024 Discussion Thread

[Texan]

1 minute ago, Number said:

Not sure. May be she wasn't comfortable with head shaved.

Hair, which will grow back OR Olympic medal, which she will never win

 

Anyway, the remaining hair would likely not have made up 100 grams. I think there is some more to the story. The difference was likely more than 100 grams.

[Gollum]

Not blaming Vinesh but culturally we Indians have a habit of pushing things too close to deadline. Goras, East Asians I think are more systematic than us and don't take it deep like Thala, more organized in time management, or in this case weight management. 

[maniac]

1 minute ago, Texan said:

Hair, which will grow back OR Olympic medal, which she will never win

 

Anyway, the remaining hair would likely not have made up 100 grams. I think there is some more to the story. The difference was likely more than 100 grams.

I think as @vvvslaxman said one story is she was nearly 2-3 kgs overweight after her previous bout and she had to quickly lose 2-3 kgs. That sounds more believable to me than losing or gaining 100 grams which sounds ridiculous.

[Number]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

usually I would assume if you are competing in a certain weight class, you err on the lower side instead of the higher side. You don’t need to be an athlete to know gaining weight is easier than losing.

Weight cutting is a very usual process. These people go through a lot to cut their weights hours before weigh-ins. They are all marginally higher weighing folks than their categories. 

[Texan]

2 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

All athletes wants to play in lower category/lower weight class so they try to cut their weight under that  category, this is nothing new all do it.

 

If this was her first time going to this weight category then it would have been hard for herself and her trainers to fully understand how the body reacts and how easily and how fast that weight can be cut-down to thresholds, they would have done everything possible to get it down wight.

May be her body dint respond.

 

Also need to understand if the team has expience with her playing in 50 kg category, if they know how much she gains after the measurements and how much see can cut-down and how quickly.

 

Or is she playing too much under her natural weight category that he body simply goes to natural weight in just some time, its mostly water retaintion and food intake they can work on rest is natural.

 

Do nt belive in any conspiracy, it just hard luck.

 

Similar case for 100m sprint thompson missed gold by .005 seconds just happens.

 

 

She would be ranked last because of technicality, apart form this match all games were fair she was weighted under thresholds and this time she missed.

 

 

 

 

 

Well, this is not hard luck, this is poor planning and preparation. Thompson case is totally different, that is a case of hard luck. 

[MechEng]

5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

We have to keep in mind she was not 100 grams more when she checked after fight. She was weighing 3 kgs more. They brought it down to 100 gram. That is a lot of weight loss you have to do in a day or two.

 

Really? That is too big a number to risk.

[Gollum]

Proposed Immediate Rule Changes for UWW:

1.) 1kg second Day Weight Allowance.

2.) Weigh-ins pushed from 8:30am to 10:30am.

3.) Forfeit will occur in future finals if opposing finalist misses weight.

4.) After a semifinal victory, both finalists’ medals are secured even if…

— Jordan Burroughs (@alliseeisgold) August 7, 2024

[maniac]

The guy who deserves most sympathy is the boxer followed by the hockey team who had decisions go against them.

 

rest all Lakshya etc etc good try but you lost. Your responsibility.

 

in this case complacency or failure by coaching staff, team management. Cant blame the athlete. Maybe 2-3 % but that too if you have to nitpick.

Edited August 7, 2024 by maniac

[Number]

4 minutes ago, Texan said:

Hair, which will grow back OR Olympic medal, which she will never win

 

Anyway, the remaining hair would likely not have made up 100 grams. I think there is some more to the story. The difference was likely more than 100 grams.

Yeah that may also be the case. It may not be that much.

[Gollum]

Jordan Burroughs is no random guy. He is a modern era legend of freestyle wrestling, gold medalist in London, most world championship gold record or something like that. 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

 

I agree with that silver medal comment. She was fully qualified to participate in semi final. That was a fair fight. So why robbing her of that for events that happened later

[Texan]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

I think as @vvvslaxman said one story is she was nearly 2-3 kgs overweight after her previous bout and she had to quickly lose 2-3 kgs. That sounds more believable to me than losing or gaining 100 grams which sounds ridiculous.

Yes, even after, I suspect the difference was not only 100 gms. If it was, she would have known about it and gone bald and/or tried to draw some more blood out and just given up on the fight to at least salvage a silver. Losing 2-3 kgs in a few hours is not easy. I don't think they ever did a practice of how they were going to get her ready for the second day. I think it was all left to some guess-timates!

[vvvslaxman]

I have a question. What if She had walked away from the final before weighing in saying "personal reasons". What then? Would still lose silver?

[Gollum]

They tried everything possible. Vinesh was crying in pain as the body broke down. She was in the sauna early this morning in a last ditch effort. But contingent officials told me not to sweat came out. This is cruel. She is not in hospital @WIONews

— Digvijay Singh Deo (@DiggySinghDeo) August 7, 2024

 

Digvijay also said that when she was crying, tears weren't coming out due to dehydration. 

Edited August 7, 2024 by Gollum

[maniac]

Just now, Texan said:

Yes, even after, I suspect the difference was not only 100 gms. If it was, she would have known about it and gone bald and/or tried to draw some more blood out and just given up on the fight to at least salvage a silver. Losing 2-3 kgs in a few hours is not easy. I don't think they ever did a practice of how they were going to get her ready for the second day. I think it was all left to some guess-timates!

yeah what if she had said due to weight issues, she is withdrawing would have given her a silver at least. Let the entire story come out. Having said that this lady has a political lobby so there will be more theories so we might never  get the full picture.

[tapandrun]

1 minute ago, Texan said:

Well, this is not hard luck, this is poor planning and preparation. Thompson case is totally different, that is a case of hard luck. 

Yes in ways poor planning and preparation not sure what happened so do not want to blame any1, IMO she might be playing v.low under her natural weight and he team has less experience with how her wight fluctuates and how quickly and how much they can cut it down. You need to know exactly how body reacts, how much it gains and how much it loses and how much can be cut down, only comes with experience and having done it multiple times. 

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

I have a question. What if She had walked away from the final before weighing in saying "personal reasons". What then? Would still lose silver?

Weigh in on second day is compulsory. 

[Singh bling]

5 minutes ago, Texan said:

Hair, which will grow back OR Olympic medal, which she will never win

 

Anyway, the remaining hair would likely not have made up 100 grams. I think there is some more to the story. The difference was likely more than 100 grams.

Here is the video of woman weighing her 4 feet long hair . It is 225 grams

 

 

 

Vinesh already had short hairs . Probably 25-30 grams difference.

 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Texan said:

Yes, even after, I suspect the difference was not only 100 gms. If it was, she would have known about it and gone bald and/or tried to draw some more blood out and just given up on the fight to at least salvage a silver. Losing 2-3 kgs in a few hours is not easy. I don't think they ever did a practice of how they were going to get her ready for the second day. I think it was all left to some guess-timates!

 

This is not  like switching things from one luggage to another luggage at the airport when they say one luggage is heavier. 

[Gollum]

She has competed in 48 and 50 kgs before.