MD Shami given ultimatum

[ravishingravi]

https://sports.ndtv.com/australia-vs-india-2024-25/bcci-hands-strict-deadline-to-mohammed-shami-gives-him-huge-condition-for-return-to-team-india-7119580

[rkt.india]

Shami is under continuous monitoring by the BCCI's medical team, and reportedly needs to lose weight and regain fitness.

[rkt.india]

What one needs to see is when he can let go of the dependency on the BCCI's medical team, which is treating him after every spell he is bowling," said a BCCI source, as reported by The Times of India on November 22.

[lemsip]

There is no point risking upsetting the team balance by introducing a half fit Shami into the mix. If they do that then the age old "senior vs junior" equation will rear its head and some of the younger bowlers like Akashdeep will be deprived of exposure. The younger bowlers are doing a pretty good job and this might help India make the transition to a more rounded set of pace bowlers without exclusive dependence on 30+ year olds especially as they have 2 5 match series within the next 12 months.

[Lord]

meanwhile londoner can walk back in team anytime and there is no fitness requirement for fatso captain

[vvvslaxman]

41 minutes ago, Lord said:

meanwhile londoner can walk back in team anytime and there is no fitness requirement for fatso captain

 

Londoner has an easy gig to prove his fitness. Just a couple of catch drops in practice will prove his physical and mental fitness.

[rkt.india]

46 minutes ago, Lord said:

meanwhile londoner can walk back in team anytime and there is no fitness requirement for fatso captain

Fast bowlers have much more sterner fitness requirement than the batsmen.

[Ultimate_Game]

3 hours ago, Lord said:

meanwhile londoner can walk back in team anytime and there is no fitness requirement for fatso captain

 

Different rules for different people. Shami has already played a few matches - much more than what likes of Kohli and Rohit play before walking in to the team. What's the point of all these rules and standards when it doesn't apply to everyone?

[lemsip]

41 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Different rules for different people. Shami has already played a few matches - much more than what likes of Kohli and Rohit play before walking in to the team. What's the point of all these rules and standards when it doesn't apply to everyone?

Shami is a fast bowler recovering from major surgery and has barely started his recovery. He has to get physically and match fit. He has just played one first class game so far (SMAT is not  a proper simulation of test match load). He has already had a setback early in his rehab when his knee had swollen up. There are enough other options around who can be picked rather than creating more risk for him as well as the team.

In the last Adelaide test that India played 9 the d/n 36 ao one), Shami did bowl 17 overs in the first innings before his arm was broken in the second. He was not that effective and didn't pick up a single wicket..

[straighttalk]

I think the language used by ndtv is poor..all it says is that Shami has to lose weight and be match fit to be inducted into team...these are pretty standard requirements..no ultimatum..no deadline too..deadline implies date..this is more a target or deliverable..much ado about nothing..shami isn't playing bgt unless we lose bowlers due to injury

[lemsip]

This Shami issue reminds me of RP singh being rushed into the side in England in 2011. He was vacationing in the US and Zaheer Khan got injured

and  MS Dhoni told the selectors he wanted a left-arm seamer. and RP had bowled very well in England in 2007.

As it transpired, he turned up visibly unfit and could barely waddle through his overs or field in the outfield. It was actually quite embarrassing.

[Lord]

11 minutes ago, lemsip said:

Shami is a fast bowler recovering from major surgery and has barely started his recovery. He has to get physically and match fit. He has just played one first class game so far (SMAT is not  a proper simulation of test match load). He has already had a setback early in his rehab when his knee had swollen up. There are enough other options around who can be picked rather than creating more risk for him as well as the team.

In the last Adelaide test that India played 9 the d/n 36 ao one), Shami did bowl 17 overs in the first innings before his arm was broken in the second. He was not that effective and didn't pick up a single wicket..

 

He bowled 40 overs in that FC game. That is better than zero FC cricket for RoKo

 

There are enough options for Rohit and Kohli as well . Why do they walk into the team as if they own it? When was the last time they played domestic cricket?

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

He bowled 40 overs in that FC game. That is better than zero FC cricket for RoKo

 

There are enough options for Rohit and Kohli as well . Why do they walk into the team as if they own it? When was the last time they played domestic cricket?

If Rohit was a fast bowler, there is no way he would have played with current fitness. Shami looks similar to present Rohit currently.

[lemsip]

32 minutes ago, Lord said:

There are enough options for Rohit and Kohli as well . Why do they walk into the team as if they own it? When was the last time they played domestic cricket?

Rohit and Kohli are not fast bowlers and besides them getting in easy pass for whatever reason is not a reason for selecting Shami after bowling in just one FC game. Apart from anything else, it will deprive the promising young fast bowlers already in the squad a chance to show what they can do. From the clips I saw from both Ranji and SMAT, he looked to be carrying a vada pav belly. There is no reason to rush him into the squad. I'd be comfortable if he can get back to full fitness by the time of the England tour next summer

Edited November 30 by lemsip

[Lord]

48 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

If Rohit was a fast bowler, there is no way he would have played with current fitness. Shami looks similar to present Rohit currently.

 

Everyone needs to be fit. Rohit can't bat long due to his fitness and has to resort to T20 style batting in Tests. Drops catches because he cant reach them.

[Lord]

22 minutes ago, lemsip said:

Rohit and Kohli are not fast bowlers and besides them getting in easy pass for whatever reason is not a reason for selecting Shami after bowling in just one FC game. Apart from anything else, it will deprive the promising young fast bowlers already in the squad a chance to show what they can do. From the clips I saw from both Ranji and SMAT, he looked to be carrying a vada pav belly. There is no reason to rush him into the squad. I'd be comfortable if he can get back to full fitness by the time of the England tour next summer

the issue is double standards.

[lemsip]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

the issue is double standards.

I'm not a fan of ROKO waltzing back when they want but you can't really call it double standards as you are comparing batsmen with fast bowlers who have much higher physical fitness requirements  in a test match.

[Rightarmfast]

34 minutes ago, lemsip said:

I'm not a fan of ROKO waltzing back when they want but you can't really call it double standards as you are comparing batsmen with fast bowlers who have much higher physical fitness requirements  in a test match.

Could you share the rule and guideline set by BCCI that states the difference in physical fitness requirements between a fast bowler, spin bowler and a batsman?

[lemsip]

1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said:

Could you share the rule and guideline set by BCCI that states the difference in physical fitness requirements between a fast bowler, spin bowler and a batsman?

That's a silly demand. You don't need BCCI guidelines to understand the game of cricket. Different skills in cricket require different roles to be performed. For instance if a person has difficulty jumping or crouching, he might be able to bat but it would definitely rule them out as a wicketkeeper. Similarly someone who has to physically bowl 20 overs in a day in hot conditions has to be conditioned for different physical demands from a batsman who fields in the slips.

Edited November 30 by lemsip

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