Was tuk-tuk right approach on day 1?

[Trichromatic]

What do you think?

[Strangering]

Yes. Otherwise India would have folded in 1st session. Something like 28/10. Australia has 3 genuinely good (or we make them look good) fast bowlers so every ball is an event. The pitch had some help for the bowlers. Indian batters were in no position to take risks at any stage. 

 

[Laaloo]

Tuk tuk was the right approach in the first few overs but you can't get out the way Rahul and gill did. And pant or jadeja could have taken a chance against Webster a lot earlier. 

[Lord]

Yes. Pitch was deadly. We've seen this team being out for sub 50 scores. 185 is fighting atleast

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Tuk tuk was the right approach in the first few overs but you can't get out the way Rahul and gill did. And pant or jadeja could have taken a chance against Webster a lot earlier. 

 

Pant was beginning to free up when he got out,. Doesn't help when you are being bashed by all for similar shot in previous game

[Laaloo]

6 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Pant was beginning to free up when he got out,. Doesn't help when you are being bashed by all for similar shot in previous game

True. Maybe he should have looked to play out Boland and went after Webster but can't blame him for finally getting something to hit from Boland.

 

 

I'm still furious about Gill shot. Wtf was? Could have padded that away or something if you wanted to come down the track. 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Laaloo said:

True. Maybe he should have looked to play out Boland and went after Webster but can't blame him for finally getting something to hit from Boland.

 

 

I'm still furious about Gill shot. Wtf was? Could have padded that away or something if you wanted to come down the track. 

 

Got rattled by a sledge lol

 

 

[lemsip]

It was a very spicy pitch and not conducive to strokeplay. Almost every batsman today was getting hit on the body with uneven bounce and there was plenty of seam movement starting from the 2nd session. The Indian batsmen had the right approach to try to grind it out. It is a 5 day test and time is not a factor. They are at least still in the game with 185 else could have easily have been blown away for under 100. 

The unfortunate thing is that the only person who could have counter attacked was the person who also had been nominated to defend and arrest the fall of wickets. If the main batters had done the wearing down, Pant could have come in later and tried to add a quick 50-60 runs by launching into bowlers in their 3rd spells. However the strategy they are playing is Pant is sent in very early as usual and then is expected to hold the innings together rather than attack the bowlers a bit like how Konstas did to Bumrah in the last test.

[BacktoCricaddict]

12 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Got rattled by a sledge lol

 

 

Pisses me off. This guy is not a rookie. He should've handled it better.

Edited January 3, 2025 by BacktoCricaddict

[Lord]

24 minutes ago, lemsip said:

It was a very spicy pitch and not conducive to strokeplay. Almost every batsman today was getting hit on the body with uneven bounce and there was plenty of seam movement starting from the 2nd session. The Indian batsmen had the right approach to try to grind it out. It is a 5 day test and time is not a factor. They are at least still in the game with 185 else could have easily have been blown away for under 100. 

The unfortunate thing is that the only person who could have counter attacked was the person who also had been nominated to defend and arrest the fall of wickets. If the main batters had done the wearing down, Pant could have come in later and tried to add a quick 50-60 runs by launching into bowlers in their 3rd spells. However the strategy they are playing is Pant is sent in very early as usual and then is expected to hold the innings together rather than attack the bowlers a bit like how Konstas did to Bumrah in the last test.

 

This is where Gambhir needs to be bit flexible. Guy like Sundar should have been batting ahead of Pant and Jadeja. NKR too could have been used to attack

[cricspirit]

185 is better than 55 or 75 All out which this team is capable of. If we did not bat the day, its possible that Aussies would already be in lead today. If it's about taking wickets then tomorrow is as good a day to do that. Get Australia out for around 200 runs and we have a game.

 

[adi B]

185 would have been a good total if he had Boland and Cummins along with Bumrah .But with Prasidh and Siraj type bowlers 185 looks short ,need bumrah to Clean them up alone !

[Strangering]

1 hour ago, Laaloo said:

True. Maybe he should have looked to play out Boland and went after Webster but can't blame him for finally getting something to hit from Boland.

 

 

I'm still furious about Gill shot. Wtf was? Could have padded that away or something if you wanted to come down the track. 

Pant tried to go after Travis Head last game. We know how that went. 

 

Play for a draw when batting. Play to win when bowling. Why? Because.. Bumrah. 

 

Indian batting is toothless so attacking is not an option. 

[lemsip]

9 minutes ago, Strangering said:

Pant tried to go after Travis Head last game. We know how that went. 

 

If the roles were reversed and Travis Head was batting in the same situation and India were bowling some long hops from a part time spinner, Head would have tried a similar shot. It is just how players with attacking mindsets react. The issue was that India, with 6  wickets still left after Pant's dismissal  and 2 of the 3 highest run scorers in the series still remaining, decided that Pant's dismissal was a signal to throw in the towel completely. In contrast, Australia in the same match had numbers 10 and 11 put up a 50 run stand on the same pitch a few hours earlier including facing the new ball. That points out the difference in the fighting spirit in the teams.

Edited January 3, 2025 by lemsip

[Strangering]

8 minutes ago, lemsip said:

If the roles were reversed and Travis Head was batting in the same situation and India were bowling some long hops from a part time spinner, Head would have tried a similar shot. It is just how players with attacking mindsets react. The issue was that India, with 6  wickets still left after Pant's dismissal  and 2 of the 3 highest run scorers in the series still remaining, decided that Pant's dismissal was a signal to throw in the towel completely. In contrast, Australia in the same match had numbers 10 and 11 put up a 50 run stand on the same pitch a few hours earlier including facing the new ball. That points out the difference in the fighting spirit in the teams.

Australi's bowling group leaves a little bit more room for mistakes for batters. Additionally, not all of OZ batters fail at once like ours do. 

 

Simply put, India must bat with a defensive mindset. Bowl and field with an attacking mindset. 

[New guy]

1 hour ago, cricspirit said:

185 is better than 55 or 75 All out which this team is capable of. If we did not bat the day, its possible that Aussies would already be in lead today. If it's about taking wickets then tomorrow is as good a day to do that. Get Australia out for around 200 runs and we have a game.

 

This mentality is why we are getting thrashed this series. Last series we were going for the win and putting them in back foot. This series the phattu fans and team are scared of being all out and playing for draws and time.

 

You cannot be on the back foot against australia, they will completely trample you every single time 

 

The only way to win is to attack attack attack. We didn't learn any lesson from last time but australia did.

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[Vijy]

2 hours ago, lemsip said:

It was a very spicy pitch and not conducive to strokeplay. Almost every batsman today was getting hit on the body with uneven bounce and there was plenty of seam movement starting from the 2nd session. The Indian batsmen had the right approach to try to grind it out. It is a 5 day test and time is not a factor. They are at least still in the game with 185 else could have easily have been blown away for under 100. 

The unfortunate thing is that the only person who could have counter attacked was the person who also had been nominated to defend and arrest the fall of wickets. If the main batters had done the wearing down, Pant could have come in later and tried to add a quick 50-60 runs by launching into bowlers in their 3rd spells. However the strategy they are playing is Pant is sent in very early as usual and then is expected to hold the innings together rather than attack the bowlers a bit like how Konstas did to Bumrah in the last test.

yes, grinding was the right approach. what was missing today was not application, but simply a lack of ability (from KL, Gill, Kohli - all are past it or not in form).

[New guy]

6 minutes ago, Strangering said:

Australi's bowling group leaves a little bit more room for mistakes for batters. Additionally, not all of OZ batters fail at once like ours do. 

 

Simply put, India must bat with a defensive mindset. Bowl and field with an attacking mindset. 

We have NEVER won against australia with a defensive batting mentality and never will.

 

Australia is a team which tramples any team which shows any weakness. Their bowlers will kill any team which are scared 

 

Last two series we won we batted positively which put Cummins and others off their line

 

Every single epic win in history against australia was when he hit back, even the dravid laxman partnership they were hitting out after getting set 

 

This phattu cowardly mentality has never ever worked against australia in our entire history and never will, we will only get thrashed 

 

We are so scared we are making pant bat like pujara and leaving our biggest match winner confused. We have learned no lesson from last bht

 

Phattu fans and team deserve a thrashing 

Edited January 3, 2025 by New guy

[Vijy]

5 minutes ago, New guy said:

This mentality is why we are getting thrashed this series. Last series we were going for the win and putting them in back foot. This series the phattu fans and team are scared of being all out and playing for draws and time.

 

You cannot be on the back foot against australia, they will completely trample you every single time 

 

The only way to win is to attack attack attack. We didn't learn any lesson from last time but australia did.

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Attack attack attack also led us to 46 a.o. vs NZ and 36 a.o. vs Aus and probably some others. More than half of the batting lineup is over the hill or not in form or does not care about tests - if they attacked, we would be <80 a.o., I am sure of this.

 

1-2 players were overly defensive, but most did the right thing by trying to bat as per the pitch, which was very spicy

Edited January 3, 2025 by Vijy

[Strangering]

2 hours ago, New guy said:

We have NEVER won against australia with a defensive batting mentality and never will.

 

Last two series we won we batted positively which put Cummins and others off their line

Conversely, we have lost a lot trying to attack. 

 

Our batting was significantly better last two times. For example, Pant could attack because of the security provided by Pujara and Rahane. Pressures are different when Pant has to play the "main guy" without much support. 

 

You have to play with the hand you draw (no pun intended). This time we are carrying two under performing oldies, an unreliable KL, erratic and out of shape Pant, past his prime Jadeja and couple of new guys.