Chaos Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 1 hour ago, Lord said: Pitches are fine if Pant, Jadeja,Axar, Ashwin can score. They are not even specialist bats. Main reasons is carrying deadwood and T20 stars Man it was soo refreshing to see this t20 team. They go for everything rather poking and prodding all day long . Lord 1
R!TTER Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 1 hour ago, Lord said: Pitches are fine if Pant, Jadeja,Axar, Ashwin can score. Are they really? Axar's played only a handful of matches so his numbers are skewed a lot more favorably, same goes for Pants - Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa Home or away home venue Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2023 Batting position between 4 and 9 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 200 Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s AR Patel 2023-2024 6 9 2 397 84 56.71 751 52.86 0 3 0 45 10 RR Pant 2024-2024 3 6 0 261 99 43.50 292 89.38 0 3 1 30 8 SN Khan 2024-2024 6 11 1 371 150 37.10 495 74.94 1 3 3 44 8 V Kohli 2023-2024 6 10 0 320 186 32.00 645 49.61 1 0 0 31 0 RA Jadeja 2023-2024 11 17 0 472 112 27.76 1106 42.67 1 2 1 37 9 R Ashwin 2023-2024 11 16 0 224 37 14.00 516 43.41 0 0 2 25 1
R!TTER Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 Take the longer term trend as well, no one's scoring runs down the order at home, Axar being the slight exception with his N/O while Pants has much smaller sample size! Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa Home or away home venue Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2021 Batting position between 4 and 9 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 400 Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s RR Pant 2021-2024 7 12 1 531 101 48.27 613 86.62 1 5 1 62 18 AR Patel 2021-2024 11 17 4 576 84 44.30 1112 51.79 0 4 1 62 17 V Kohli 2021-2024 11 18 0 528 186 29.33 1105 47.78 1 2 3 51 1 RA Jadeja 2021-2024 12 19 0 522 112 27.47 1220 42.78 1 3 2 43 9 R Ashwin 2021-2024 17 25 0 483 106 19.32 1003 48.15 1 0 3 59 3
cowboysfan Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 I am OK if bumrah misses all of CT and IPL if he is healthy for england tests- without him we will get whitewashed.
Chaos Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 Man what a team this would be when boom, shami n jaiswal r back in. Crazy team @Lord Lord 1
Number Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 2 hours ago, R!TTER said: The biggest reason is the nonexistent middle order; before 2020/21, Pujara/Rahane were good to great in most series at home. At least Pujara was ATG level, and Rahane was also serviceable. Then BRat lost the Chennai test vs. English and went apeshite on making turners almost nonstop for the next 2-4 years No youngster will make/score big consistently in the middle/lower order if the pitches are this bad. So we need to change the pitches first! I have always believed we should have pitches like we had vs England 2023. Good spinners were in the game, good batsmen were scoring big runs, fast bowlers were not left being useless.
vishalvirsingh Posted January 26, 2025 Posted January 26, 2025 On 1/18/2025 at 3:04 PM, vayuu1 said: Rohit (c) Gill(vc) Rahul Kohli Iyer hardik Pant Jaiswal Jaddu Axar Washington Sundar Bumrah Shami Arshdeep Kuldeep Rana is backup for bumrah tilak and Abhishek are some serious talents ..both are talents as good as Virat and Rohit when they were at their peak. both these guys and yashasvi and Gill are our best 4 batsmen in any format. Abhishek may not be suitable for Tests but Gill, tilak and yashasvi are very well suited for all the three formats. GG and agarkar should try to get rohit and jaddu out from the champions team and get these 2 guys in........ Abhi should be playing in white ball formats as he is ultra agressive. samson should actually play white ball formats and may be tests too. as far as bowling is concerned i feel sardar is just good enough for t20 as he has customised his skills for t20. why he has nt been picked in tests is bcos selectors understand him. genuinely rhythm bowlers can suceed in odi and tests like shammi and we need to find some true talents. we did find some talents including mayank yadav , umraan and few more but they have fitness issues or they are not getting the support that they deserve. like varun aroon had the talent but he never got the support that's required. one mumbai bowler salil ankola in tha past also had the talent but he did not get the support. point i want to make is genuine fast bowler will always go for too many runs as he will spray and thats the time when he should be supported and trained and still played. he is an investment which will reap fruits later. else we will have medium pacers who will get wickets with the new ball but once the ball is 10 overs old, our pacers except boom and shammi look ineffective. a genuine fast bowler can get wickets even with a 15 over old ball by beating the batsmen with pace.
Nikhil_cric Posted January 26, 2025 Posted January 26, 2025 Riyan Parag is now fully fit. Instead of Ranji, he should be added to the England series imo. Lord 1
bowl_out Posted January 27, 2025 Posted January 27, 2025 On 1/21/2025 at 2:05 PM, vvvslaxman said: Ashwin is making a case for more left handers as all the opposition in the first round has left arm spinners. So he wants Jaiswal in the side. He also wants Pant preferably. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N_d2Ln70o8 Even Sundar should be ahead of Jadeja although I don't rate Sundar's LOI batting. At least that gives us all the variety in spin with Kuldeep, Axar and Sundar
tweaker Posted February 4, 2025 Posted February 4, 2025 On 1/18/2025 at 3:04 PM, vayuu1 said: Rohit (c) Gill(vc) Rahul Kohli Iyer hardik Pant Jaiswal Jaddu Axar Washington Sundar Bumrah Shami Arshdeep Kuldeep Rana is backup for bumrah After Abhishek,Tilak, s how now its time for Rohit,Virat,Rahul
tweaker Posted February 4, 2025 Posted February 4, 2025 On 1/26/2025 at 10:10 PM, Nikhil_cric said: Riyan Parag is now fully fit. Instead of Ranji, he should be added to the England series imo. Why was Parag not selected in T20 and odi series, he was playing Ranji matches
Nikhil_cric Posted February 4, 2025 Posted February 4, 2025 Just now, tweaker said: Why was Parag not selected in T20 and odi series, he was playing Ranji matches ODI's because of seniors. Where will he play /be allowed to play? Rohit and Kohli don't believe in batting allrounders at all. They picked both Sundar and Jadeja in the squad. That should tell you everything India's depth and quality in T20 cricket is such that it's very difficult to even get a look in currently. If anyone , including SKY/Rinku, continues to fail , Parag should be the first guy to replace him tweaker 1
tweaker Posted February 4, 2025 Posted February 4, 2025 Likely playing 11 Rohit Gill Virat Rahul Iyer Hardik Sundar Jadeja Axar Shami Arshdeep Lord and New guy 2
New guy Posted February 4, 2025 Posted February 4, 2025 On 1/20/2025 at 10:37 AM, lemsip said: So it's merely coincidence that as soon as the coach changed, results started nosediving and haven't recovered ? It is obviously not a single cause but to pretend the coach has nothing to do with the sudden change in fortunes is to be wilfully blind to reality. The captain is obviously the main person who makes team selection decisions and that hasn't changed. You are talking about the symptoms of late stage cancer and overlooking that developing cancer was ignored and untreated. Dravid was a regressive coach who didn't plan for the future and let the superstars have their say. Kohli, rohit, all were performing exactly the same under him as under Gambhir The difference was that youngsters and bumrah were able to save dravids ass Dravid has a big role in what GG inherited, the time to take tough steps was under him, he chickened out and Gambhir is paying the price. Gollum 1
Nikhil_cric Posted February 4, 2025 Posted February 4, 2025 2 hours ago, tweaker said: Likely playing 11 Rohit Gill Virat Rahul Iyer Hardik Sundar Jadeja Axar Shami Arshdeep Why not Kuldeep? Who is going to take wickets? Lol
Lone Wolf Posted February 4, 2025 Posted February 4, 2025 14 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Why not Kuldeep? Who is going to take wickets? Lol Last minute inclusion of Varun Chakarvarthy is on the cards seems like cowboysfan 1
cowboysfan Posted February 4, 2025 Posted February 4, 2025 wicket takers are needed in the indian ODI setup,not Jadeja types.Varun should play the England ODIs. Manucrick 1
Nikhil_cric Posted February 4, 2025 Posted February 4, 2025 4 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Last minute inclusion of Varun Chakarvarthy is on the cards seems like Interesting. So, Kuldeep may not have achieved the requisite bowling fitness. His impact might be diminished in ODI cricket with batters not looking to slog him every ball but let's see.
Lone Wolf Posted February 4, 2025 Posted February 4, 2025 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Interesting. So, Kuldeep may not have achieved the requisite bowling fitness. His impact might be diminished in ODI cricket with batters not looking to slog him every ball but let's see. From ILT20 we saw Pacers doing more damage than spinners in Dubai. Abu Dhabi might have favoured India more than Dubai. But it has lesser capacity comparatively Edited February 4, 2025 by Lone Wolf Nikhil_cric 1
Frustrated Posted February 4, 2025 Posted February 4, 2025 Kuldeep's bowling is overrated. Plus his novelty factor is gone (long ago). Varun C should ideally replace him for CT.
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