Coming together of the Thackeray brothers - What does it mean for Maharashtra politics ?

[singhvivek141]

Simple reason, funding from outside.

 

We are now seeing the language issue is gulping down every state. If this continues soon people in UP, MP Bihar will start heckling the outsiders too.

 

There are sizeable amount of South Indians in Bhopal and Maharastrians in Indore, Lucknow.

 

State govts need to speak up, say that state language is important...but it wont be allowed to use as a violence. I mean just months back, Pakistan killed the people who were from Maharastra, Karnataka, UP, Haryana...they didn't ask for the language.

[crictime]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Simple reason, funding from outside.

 

We are now seeing the language issue is gulping down every state. If this continues soon people in UP, MP Bihar will start heckling the outsiders too.

 

There are sizeable amount of South Indians in Bhopal and Maharastrians in Indore, Lucknow.

 

State govts need to speak up, say that state language is important...but it wont be allowed to use as a violence. I mean just months back, Pakistan killed the people who were from Maharastra, Karnataka, UP, Haryana...they didn't ask for the language.

BJP unnecesarily is trying to impose another language. People are anyways speaking it in Maharashtra. 

 

Maharashtrian, Gujaratis, Muslims, Sikhs, South Indians are all friendly and living happily in Maharashtra as friends, neighbours , professional colleagues, business  contacts etc

 

Maharashtra parties like OG SS, Sharad Pawar's OG NCP and others did not go to other states stating Marathi should be imposed.

 

Similarly South parties did not go to UP, Lucknow etc demanding South indian languages should be used.

 

BJP should focus on improving Maharashtra. Stop the ladli bahin or whatever that scheme is called. Just increasing debt of Maharshtra. Do not waste tax payers money for vote gains. 

 

SS and NCP have done so much for Maharashtra over decades and they made Maharashtra the number one state in GDP. Even infra projects. What has BJP done for Maharashtra. It will need decades of power in Maharashtra to do what NCP , SS have done. Not their mistake, people did not vote for them in local elections more often than not. If one check how many yeara BJP was in power in local bodies and elections one will be surprised. It is mostly about SS and NCP.

 

There are many things to actually work upon than build up this hindu muslim divide, start language imposition and other useless activities which does not contributes to economy,infrastructure development, education etc.  Dont turn a city like Mumbai and state like Maharashtra into a tier 2 or 3 city or state. We have progressed a lot and dont pull us down. Let Mumbai be Mumbai.

[singhvivek141]

9 hours ago, crictime said:

BJP unnecesarily is trying to impose another language. People are anyways speaking it in Maharashtra. 

 

Maharashtrian, Gujaratis, Muslims, Sikhs, South Indians are all friendly and living happily in Maharashtra as friends, neighbours , professional colleagues, business  contacts etc

 

Maharashtra parties like OG SS, Sharad Pawar's OG NCP and others did not go to other states stating Marathi should be imposed.

 

Similarly South parties did not go to UP, Lucknow etc demanding South indian languages should be used.

 

BJP should focus on improving Maharashtra. Stop the ladli bahin or whatever that scheme is called. Just increasing debt of Maharshtra. Do not waste tax payers money for vote gains. 

 

SS and NCP have done so much for Maharashtra over decades and they made Maharashtra the number one state in GDP. Even infra projects. What has BJP done for Maharashtra. It will need decades of power in Maharashtra to do what NCP , SS have done. Not their mistake, people did not vote for them in local elections more often than not. If one check how many yeara BJP was in power in local bodies and elections one will be surprised. It is mostly about SS and NCP.

 

There are many things to actually work upon than build up this hindu muslim divide, start language imposition and other useless activities which does not contributes to economy,infrastructure development, education etc.  Dont turn a city like Mumbai and state like Maharashtra into a tier 2 or 3 city or state. We have progressed a lot and dont pull us down. Let Mumbai be Mumbai.

TBH, Mumbai was already ahead of most cities since British time itself.

While cities like Bengaluru, Hyderabad grew in 90's....Mumbai, considering it's proximity to the port always was the hotbed for cash. On top of it, it's image of Financial capital and dream city courtesy of Bollywood. Kolkata's decline helped Mumbai the most as it paved the quick access to gulf. 

Language issue is artifically created, just to ensure that both SS, NCP and MNS survives. Believe it or not...but most of the 2nd gen "North Indians" speak fluent Marathi (specially those who studied in Marathi medium schools). While there are many "posh Mumbaikars" who will fumble speaking Marathi/Hindi and are comfortable only with English.

What Mumbai needs, it better mgmt of its crumbling infra. Slums are everywhere and the Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Airport remained incomplete, just coz there leaders used the slums as vote bank. Areas like Dharavi, Jogeshwari are heavily infested by slums, where people live in one of the most unhygenic conditions in entire India. Instead of working on those issues, these Thackrey's and Pawar's are using low hanging fruits and instead hitting the hardworking business people who contribute to the economy of Mumbai.

If MNS, SS, NCP care about Language, they should open up new libraries and journals in Marathi. But, that's too much work for them. So, they resort to cheap hooliganism and violence.

[crictime]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

TBH, Mumbai was already ahead of most cities since British time itself.

While cities like Bengaluru, Hyderabad grew in 90's....Mumbai, considering it's proximity to the port always was the hotbed for cash. On top of it, it's image of Financial capital and dream city courtesy of Bollywood. Kolkata's decline helped Mumbai the most as it paved the quick access to gulf. 

Language issue is artifically created, just to ensure that both SS, NCP and MNS survives. Believe it or not...but most of the 2nd gen "North Indians" speak fluent Marathi (specially those who studied in Marathi medium schools). While there are many "posh Mumbaikars" who will fumble speaking Marathi/Hindi and are comfortable only with English.

What Mumbai needs, it better mgmt of its crumbling infra. Slums are everywhere and the Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Airport remained incomplete, just coz there leaders used the slums as vote bank. Areas like Dharavi, Jogeshwari are heavily infested by slums, where people live in one of the most unhygenic conditions in entire India. Instead of working on those issues, these Thackrey's and Pawar's are using low hanging fruits and instead hitting the hardworking business people who contribute to the economy of Mumbai.

If MNS, SS, NCP care about Language, they should open up new libraries and journals in Marathi. But, that's too much work for them. So, they resort to cheap hooliganism and violence.

I will not go into details due to lack of time but the major points. But if anybody multiple generations have stayed in Mumbai and Maharashtra, the below highlights are enough to guess what I am talking about. Not a secret, these are projects that changed Mumbai and maharashtra decades after independence.

Mumbai infra developed under Balasahebs guidance when SS was in power. Especially transport. Britishers did not build projects which were initiated by Balasaheb and completed in his lifetime.

Konkan developed under INC and SS. Rail connectivity. 

Western Maharashtra developed because of Sharad Pawar and NCP.

BJP was not even voted to be in power by Maharasthra people apart from few years. BJP is in coalition with politicians from NCP and SS. 

BJP has done good at national level, but it has not received mandate in Maharashtra politics the way NCP and SS received since decades. Maharashtra's growth is under SS and NCP. Someone who has lived in those times and has numerous generations living in Mumbai and Maharashtra are aware which projects I am referring to.

As for libraries, there already are enough.
SS started some libraries in BMC, one is their in Prabodhankar theatre, there is one at Dadar. There are hundreds of public libraries in Maharashtra. Plus there are 1000's of libraries which are private. There are many in government aided schols and colleges. How many libraries do you need. Guess what the libraries are enough.

But my favorite was the British Council Library near Vidhan Bhavan which was at Churchgate. What a library. I enrolled there in 90's and I am a big fan of it. I would like to write more on this library but I am short of time. People who are book worms and have stayed in Mumbai and used it will also know what I mean so there is no need to take extra time and write what others have also experienced.

Mumbai and Maharshtra are in class of its own. Dharavi, Jogeshwari, Mohammed Ali road will not change much. You can relocate people  from slum into appartments but the mentality of slum will remain. It will take generation or two to change. Jogeshwari has changed a lot, Bandra West (Baba S area) there is another fight about who should do slum rehab. Just like debate about Dharavi and Adani. The Mumbra slum is also a votebank. The slum in Borivali on the link road near IC

Mumbai is amazing place. INC, SS amd NCP have done lot of good work. Yes there is scope of improvement as is case in every state but that does not mean the parties who have been voted have doen nothing. BJP is ruling Gujarat longer yhan other parties, it is behind than what Maharshtra is. So this drama of BJP cares for locals and everything is fine in states ruled by BJP is just a narrative.  And if it matters, I am not anti-BJP. Just that I also appreciate what those who ruled Maharashtra have made it what it is. Major projects have been delivered by SS. It is BJP who is doing this language should be mandatory and what not. Yes the reaction is wrong, especially agter BJP paused at this step due to opposition by Mahrashtra but it is BJP who started this in first place. Do somethin good and don't spoin Mumbai amd Maharashtra to what it was by playing divisive tactocs. Mumbaites are smart and the social unity of people of all religions in Mumbai won't fall for it. It is far too developed to waste time on such matters like this langauge is needed officially etc.

Edited July 7, 2025 by crictime

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, crictime said:

I will not go into details due to lack of time but the major points. But if anybody multiple generations have stayed in Mumbai and Maharashtra, the below highlights are enough to guess what I am talking about. Not a secret, these are projects that changed Mumbai and maharashtra decades after independence.

Mumbai infra developed under Balasahebs guidance when SS was in power. Especially transport. Britishers did not build projects which were initiated by Balasaheb and completed in his lifetime.

Konkan developed under INC and SS. Rail connectivity. 

Western Maharashtra developed because of Sharad Pawar and NCP.

BJP was not even voted to be in power by Maharasthra people apart from few years. BJP is in coalition with politicians from NCP and SS. 

BJP has done good at national level, but it has not received mandate in Maharashtra politics the way NCP and SS received since decades. Maharashtra's growth is under SS and NCP. Someone who has lived in those times and has numerous generations living in Mumbai and Maharashtra are aware which projects I am referring to.

As for libraries, there already are enough.
SS started some libraries in BMC, one is their in Prabodhankar theatre, there is one at Dadar. There are hundreds of public libraries in Maharashtra. Plus there are 1000's of libraries which are private. There are many in government aided schols and colleges. How many libraries do you need. Guess what the libraries are enough.

But my favorite was the British Council Library near Vidhan Bhavan which was at Churchgate. What a library. I enrolled there in 90's and I am a big fan of it. I would like to write more on this library but I am short of time. People who are book worms and have stayed in Mumbai and used it will also know what I mean so there is no need to take extra time and write what others have also experienced.

Mumbai and Maharshtra are in class of its own. Dharavi, Jogeshwari, Mohammed Ali road will not change much. You can relocate people  from slum into appartments but the mentality of slum will remain. It will take generation or two to change. Jogeshwari has changed a lot, Bandra West (Baba S area) there is another fight about who should do slum rehab. Just like debate about Dharavi and Adani. The Mumbra slum is also a votebank. The slum in Borivali on the link road near IC

Mumbai is amazing place. INC, SS amd NCP have done lot of good work. Yes there is scope of improvement as is case in every state but that does not mean the parties who have been voted have doen nothing. BJP is ruling Gujarat longer yhan other parties, it is behind than what Maharshtra is. So this drama of BJP cares for locals and everything is fine in states ruled by BJP is just a narrative.  And if it matters, I am not anti-BJP. Just that I also appreciate what those who ruled Maharashtra have made it what it is. Major projects have been delivered by SS. It is BJP who is doing this language should be mandatory and what not. Yes the reaction is wrong, especially agter BJP paused at this step due to opposition by Mahrashtra but it is BJP who started this in first place. Do somethin good and don't spoin Mumbai amd Maharashtra to what it was by playing divisive tactocs. Mumbaites are smart and the social unity of people of all religions in Mumbai won't fall for it. It is far too developed to waste time on such matters like this langauge is needed officially etc.

Quite a lengthy post you have written, good to see that you're passionate about Mumbai and MH. Though, there are few observations which might have gotten overlooked.

SS of BalaSaheb Thackrey is vastly different than what it's today. When I use the word SS, do note it's for Uddhav and not for BalaSaheb. Infact, that's the premise of this topic as well.

Secondly, Konkan Rail connectivity was brainchild of George Fernandes under the V.P Singh govt, and he was the one who appointed Sreedharan as the head for this project. Considering George Fernandes himself was from Konkan region, he gave every possible push at his end. Infact Central govt owns majority of share of Konkan Railways and KRCL. Hence calling it as SS, INC, NCP brainchild is not right.

Again, filtering out all the discussions, coz if we start talking on it then there are so many nuances which will open up and that discussion can be difficult to keep track of. 

Hooliganism and violence on the cost of language is something which isn't acceptable. And funny part is the same activists who carry the flag of this language formula don't do the same when they're in the areas that you mentioned above. Coz, they know they will face the backlash. While the business folks who are working honestly in Mumbai and are paying taxes to govt., which is in return used by BMC and these activists to feed off their families, does using violence against them makes sense ?

Yeah, BJP did played their cards incorrectly when they pushed incorrect language formula. Specially, in the states where local language is deeply rooted with the culture. BJP has this problem where they try to "simplify" each and every thing coz they feel Nationalism is above all. But, in reality it isnt'. People (specially Hindus) are fragmented and carry tremendous amount of insecurity against each other, whether it's on basis on caste or religion.
But that simply can't give a freehand to these hooligans to roam on the streets and burn down the city. Realize it or not but it's the "people" who run the city, who create jobs, who employ people and who give tax in return for the infrastructure development. 

Also, these hooliganism, may seem isolated and ordinary incidents. But if you look at a grand scale (specially on the context of Social media), you can see it makes us extremely vulnerable in falling down to propaganda's. It will make people suspicious of each other just on basis of language. Again, it may seem trivial for most of us who are pretty comfortable in our own secure space. But on the ground, it will lead to disastrous precedences which can burn a well established city down to Ashes. History says, it has happened multiple times in the past, and no guarantee that it won't happen again. 

[crictime]

5 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Quite a lengthy post you have written, good to see that you're passionate about Mumbai and MH. Though, there are few observations which might have gotten overlooked.

SS of BalaSaheb Thackrey is vastly different than what it's today. When I use the word SS, do note it's for Uddhav and not for BalaSaheb. Infact, that's the premise of this topic as well.

Secondly, Konkan Rail connectivity was brainchild of George Fernandes under the V.P Singh govt, and he was the one who appointed Sreedharan as the head for this project. Considering George Fernandes himself was from Konkan region, he gave every possible push at his end. Infact Central govt owns majority of share of Konkan Railways and KRCL. Hence calling it as SS, INC, NCP brainchild is not right.

Again, filtering out all the discussions, coz if we start talking on it then there are so many nuances which will open up and that discussion can be difficult to keep track of. 

Hooliganism and violence on the cost of language is something which isn't acceptable. And funny part is the same activists who carry the flag of this language formula don't do the same when they're in the areas that you mentioned above. Coz, they know they will face the backlash. While the business folks who are working honestly in Mumbai and are paying taxes to govt., which is in return used by BMC and these activists to feed off their families, does using violence against them makes sense ?

Yeah, BJP did played their cards incorrectly when they pushed incorrect language formula. Specially, in the states where local language is deeply rooted with the culture. BJP has this problem where they try to "simplify" each and every thing coz they feel Nationalism is above all. But, in reality it isnt'. People (specially Hindus) are fragmented and carry tremendous amount of insecurity against each other, whether it's on basis on caste or religion.
But that simply can't give a freehand to these hooligans to roam on the streets and burn down the city. Realize it or not but it's the "people" who run the city, who create jobs, who employ people and who give tax in return for the infrastructure development. 

Also, these hooliganism, may seem isolated and ordinary incidents. But if you look at a grand scale (specially on the context of Social media), you can see it makes us extremely vulnerable in falling down to propaganda's. It will make people suspicious of each other just on basis of language. Again, it may seem trivial for most of us who are pretty comfortable in our own secure space. But on the ground, it will lead to disastrous precedences which can burn a well established city down to Ashes. History says, it has happened multiple times in the past, and no guarantee that it won't happen again. 

I do not see any point to discuss about the works of NCP SS INC in:

 

1. Balasahebs 56 flyovers project in Mumbai. 

 

2. Konkan Railway.

 

3. Other projects and public services done by SS, NCP,SS to make Maharashtra what it is today.

 

4. Why BJP has not received as much mandate from people of Maharashtra as conpared to other local parties over decades.

 

 

You see to be more interested in bringinh this slap incident and keeping aside how SS, NCP, INC have made Maharashtra the number one state it is today.  Offcourse that is what the thread is about but I woukd rather not keep writing endlessly about it.

 

Not really keen to talk about the slap incident. I have already mentioned it was wrong. That is not what interests me, neither do I support it. 

[coffee_rules]

@G_B_ Any insights on this issue and BMC elections? Interesting to see the two cousins patching things  up for BMC election under one MVA. What a disgrace from BT SS legacy.

[diga]

BJP has a history older than NCP if I am correct in Maharashtra politics & BMC elections...  They have been in power since 90s if I remember. 

[crictime]

8 hours ago, diga said:

BJP has a history older than NCP if I am correct in Maharashtra politics & BMC elections...  They have been in power since 90s if I remember. 

 

People out of Maharashtra are not aware of history of Maharashtra politics since independence and it is understandable. 

 

What matters is the numbers in politics, and BJP hardly gets numbers in Maharashhtra apart from rare elections. Maharashtra has hardly voted for BJP. That is why CM's of Maharshtra from BJP are rare.

 

The mandate of Maharshtra has always been for other parties. BJP is negligible giving just 4 CM's, out of which 3 are of SS.

 

BJP:

Narayan Rane - Shiv Sena veteran

 

Manohar Joshi - Shiv Sena veteran

 

Eknath Shinde - ShivSena veteran

 

Devendra Fadnavis - OG BJP ian

 

Manohar Joshi. Narayan Rane and Eknath Shinde are not OG BJP politicians . Rane will move to any party again and Shinde can also go back to SS. Narayan Rane is a SS veteran and so is Eknath Shinde. Manohar Joshi was also from Shiv Sena .They had to be given post because BJP depended on Shiv Sena to win those elections. Even in that Eknath Shinde demanded the CM post and then later in second half of tenure the OG BJP Devendra Fadnavis got to become a CM.

 

 

Now compare to this:

INC, NCP and SS is the undisputed leader and have given so many CM's.

 

Yashwantrao Chavan

Vasantrao Naik - More than 10 yrs iirc

Vasantdada Patil - 2 times

Sudhakarrao Naik

Shankarrao Chavan - 2 times

Abdul Rahman Antulay

Sharad Pawar - 3 or 4 times

Sushilkumar Shinde

Vilasrao Deshmukh - 2 times

Ashok Chavan

Chagan Bhujbal

Prithvirah Chavan

Narayan Rane

Uddhav Thackeray

 

Might be case that I may have missed a name here and there, but this shows the  overview of Maharashtra politics history. 

 

I am im no way anti BJP, but the work done by other parties, the mandates they have recieved from Marathi speaking people who form Majority and decide Maharashtra politics history, their efforts in making Mumbai and also the greater Maharashtra, somewhere I think those people deserve a credit. Even though no politician can be entirely relied upon,  Maharasthra and Mumbai is what it is because of them and more importantly because of what and how people of Maharashtra have contributed. There are problems here like every other state but Maharashtra is in a much better state. I repeat Mumbai is a simply amazing place. Although Mumbai is such a small place in comparison to Maharashtra, it is just awesome. Unlike rest of Maharashtra, there are good number of people from other religions who mingle and live with each other so well. Like ever other state of India, people work hard to earn their corn. Celebrate each others festivals and be different from rest of Maharashtra in beinh a cosmopolitan Mumbai still rooted to the entire Maharashtra. If BJP CM's too helps Maharashtra and Mumbai progress further, much nice for citizens like me.

 

Edited July 8, 2025 by crictime

[coffee_rules]

On 7/6/2025 at 1:50 AM, Mariyam said:

UT, MNS and SS (Shinde) and SS (the original one) are the same. I make no distinction there. The Shiv Sena has mismanaged the BMC for close to 28 years!

 

Divisive identity politics like the DMK but only worse coz of politically sanctioned hooliganism.

 

Roughing up people for lack of local language skills, extorting businesses, Reneging on contracts, you name it.

Your opinion might be restricted to Mubai streets, but the SS of Balsaheb Thackarey (Thackarey is a Brit Surname, btw) had a greater impact in national politics in the mid-90s with the Hindutva movement and RJB in focus. It brought the change in Indian political scenario where Secularism was reigning and brought Majoritarianism to India. Not the majoritarianism that is defined by western liberal, but the fact that it is not bad to feel pride in being a Hindu. Growing up, the majority community was made to feel that it is doing something wrong with narratives like Hindu rate of growth, cattle class etc. The Hindu community nationally came out of those shackles with politicians like BT. Whether he intended it or used the opportunity is all about how you look at it. Rest of MH also benefitted more after 1995 or so. 

[ravishingravi]

 

[singhvivek141]

46 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Language Deficiency ?
Madam should be given Breakfast in Gujarati, Lunch in Marathi and Dinner in Konkani...balanced diet will help in managing the deficiencies.

Edited July 9, 2025 by singhvivek141

[singhvivek141]

21 hours ago, crictime said:

 

People out of Maharashtra are not aware of history of Maharashtra politics since independence and it is understandable. 

 

What matters is the numbers in politics, and BJP hardly gets numbers in Maharashhtra apart from rare elections. Maharashtra has hardly voted for BJP. That is why CM's of Maharshtra from BJP are rare.

 

The mandate of Maharshtra has always been for other parties. BJP is negligible giving just 4 CM's, out of which 3 are of SS.

 

BJP:

Narayan Rane - Shiv Sena veteran

 

Manohar Joshi - Shiv Sena veteran

 

Eknath Shinde - ShivSena veteran

 

Devendra Fadnavis - OG BJP ian

 

Manohar Joshi. Narayan Rane and Eknath Shinde are not OG BJP politicians . Rane will move to any party again and Shinde can also go back to SS. Narayan Rane is a SS veteran and so is Eknath Shinde. Manohar Joshi was also from Shiv Sena .They had to be given post because BJP depended on Shiv Sena to win those elections. Even in that Eknath Shinde demanded the CM post and then later in second half of tenure the OG BJP Devendra Fadnavis got to become a CM.

 

 

Now compare to this:

INC, NCP and SS is the undisputed leader and have given so many CM's.

 

Yashwantrao Chavan

Vasantrao Naik - More than 10 yrs iirc

Vasantdada Patil - 2 times

Sudhakarrao Naik

Shankarrao Chavan - 2 times

Abdul Rahman Antulay

Sharad Pawar - 3 or 4 times

Sushilkumar Shinde

Vilasrao Deshmukh - 2 times

Ashok Chavan

Chagan Bhujbal

Prithvirah Chavan

Narayan Rane

Uddhav Thackeray

 

Might be case that I may have missed a name here and there, but this shows the  overview of Maharashtra politics history. 

 

I am im no way anti BJP, but the work done by other parties, the mandates they have recieved from Marathi speaking people who form Majority and decide Maharashtra politics history, their efforts in making Mumbai and also the greater Maharashtra, somewhere I think those people deserve a credit. Even though no politician can be entirely relied upon,  Maharasthra and Mumbai is what it is because of them and more importantly because of what and how people of Maharashtra have contributed. There are problems here like every other state but Maharashtra is in a much better state. I repeat Mumbai is a simply amazing place. Although Mumbai is such a small place in comparison to Maharashtra, it is just awesome. Unlike rest of Maharashtra, there are good number of people from other religions who mingle and live with each other so well. Like ever other state of India, people work hard to earn their corn. Celebrate each others festivals and be different from rest of Maharashtra in beinh a cosmopolitan Mumbai still rooted to the entire Maharashtra. If BJP CM's too helps Maharashtra and Mumbai progress further, much nice for citizens like me.

 

There is a logic to that, BJP historically has been dominating Vidarbha region...while most of the CM's you mentioned are from Marathwada or Coastal Maharashtra region, those areas are historically dominated by INC, SS, NCP or whoever existed in Maharashtra. As far as my memory serves right, Vidarbha only has 60-70 seats in the legislative assembly as against 280-290 something in whole MH. For the remaining seats, BJP has almost always fought in coalition with SS.

It's like BJP dominating the Jammu region for decades, but it is never able to form it's own CM because majority of the seats lie in Kashmir Valley in the state of J&K. Similarly in states like Bihar, BJP don't have many CM's...but it has a strong presence. And the way MH politics is making a shift, high chances that this equation make change over the new few years.

Biggest example, Just a decade or two back, even BJP didn't had many CM's in UP as well. Post Kalyan Singh's resignation...UP was majorily dominated by SP-BSP (exception was 2 year rule of Rajnath in between). But that couldn't stop Yogi who stormed in and has given 2 time mandate to BJP.
 

Edited July 9, 2025 by singhvivek141

[crictime]

17 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Your opinion might be restricted to Mubai streets, but the SS of Balsaheb Thackarey (Thackarey is a Brit Surname, btw) had a greater impact in national politics in the mid-90s with the Hindutva movement and RJB in focus. It brought the change in Indian political scenario where Secularism was reigning and brought Majoritarianism to India. Not the majoritarianism that is defined by western liberal, but the fact that it is not bad to feel pride in being a Hindu. Growing up, the majority community was made to feel that it is doing something wrong with narratives like Hindu rate of growth, cattle class etc. The Hindu community nationally came out of those shackles with politicians like BT. Whether he intended it or used the opportunity is all about how you look at it. Rest of MH also benefitted more after 1995 or so. 

Thackeray was never again Muslims or disliked them. However, he was against anti-national muslims who he used to point out. In fact Thackerays doctor was a Muslim Dr. Jalil Parkar and he too was at the funeral.There were many Muslims who used to listen to Thackerays speech. His Dussehra rally  started in 1966 and was carried out for 45 years every Dussehra.  It was his last year, aged 86, when he was severly suffering from health issues and he did not gave the speech in person. Instead they showed the video clip of his message at the rally which Uddhav Thackeray gave the speech. When he dies in 2012,  his bodybwas draped in Indian Triclour. Hindus gathered in lakhs at Matoshree and Shivaji Park. Even Muslims were in grief. Yusuf Khan the famous bollywood actor who had changed his name to Dilip Kumar when he entered Bollywood cancelled his birthday celebrations which is also on same day.
Other Muslims  in Maharashtra who even today speak Marathi and  Konkani also mourned his death. Garlanded chaddar was offered  at Mahim dargah by Muslim religious leaders over the casket to show respect. Not only prominent politicians like Sushma Swaraj, Advani Ji, Arun Jaitley, Sharad Pawar, RR Patil, Walse Patil, Gopinath Munde Nitin Gadkari, Shanawaz Hussain,Prithviraj Chavan, Chagan Bhujbal, Maneka Gandhi etc came to attend funeral, but industrialist like Ambani also attended. Ram Jethmalani was also there. Bpllywood actors kike Amitabh, Sanjay Dutt, Nana Patekar, Reitesh Dwshmukh and others also attended. Theatres immediately cancelled screenings of movies.

Apart from him, only Lokmanya Tilak's funeral was also done in public place at Chowpatty. 

 

Balashaeb in himself was an era in Maharshtra politics. What he has done for Maharashtra and India cannot be explained in words.

Edited July 9, 2025 by crictime

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7 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

There is a logic to that, BJP historically has been dominating Vidarbha region...while most of the CM's you mentioned are from Marathwada or Coastal Maharashtra region, those areas are historically dominated by INC, SS, NCP or whoever existed in Maharashtra. As far as my memory serves right, Vidarbha only has 60-70 seats in the legislative assembly as against 280-290 something in whole MH. For the remaining seats, BJP has almost always fought in coalition with SS.

It's like BJP dominating the Jammu region for decades, but it is never able to form it's own CM because majority of the seats lie in Kashmir Valley in the state of J&K. Similarly in states like Bihar, BJP don't have many CM's...but it has a strong presence. And the way MH politics is making a shift, high chances that this equation make change over the new few years.

Biggest example, Just a decade or two back, even BJP didn't had many CM's in UP as well. Post Kalyan Singh's resignation...UP was majorily dominated by SP-BSP (exception was 2 year rule of Rajnath in between). But that couldn't stop Yogi who stormed in and has given 2 time mandate to BJP.
 

It's a far deep rooted sentiment shaped by major events and critical work sone over decades.

 

 

Maharashtra Congress leaders, to name a few prominent ones like Yashvantrao Chavan, Vasantdada Patil were involved in freedom fight. They were jailed by Britishers. There were many others too who  were part of this. It was not just about going street to street and door to door asking for votes like politicians of today. They have spent years in jails, given their blood for Maharashtra and India.

Samyukta Maratha Movement is a major event in Maharashtra history which ked to formation of Maharashtra. It has defined a lot of happenings in Maharashtra politics.

The congress leaders of the western Maharashtra like Yashvantrao Chavan, Sharad Pawar and many others have strong connect with farmers in rural Maharashtra. BJP does not has that connect even today. There are reasons why the Congress was so successful in getting farmers on their side but it is a lenghty discussion in itself. It still helps Congress and NCP as many leaders who were involed in previous major events who have now come to NCP with their vote banks.

And other events like NCP being founded in 90's also has split of Raj Thackeray and Uddhav Thackeray more than a decade later, SS MLA'and NCP MLA's moving in alliance with BJP have changed the dynamics.

Vidharbha, Karad, Satara, Sangli and that belt has always been about big NCP politicians like Yashvantrai Chavan, Sharad Pawar etc. Even SS struggles there, forget about BJP.

BJP needs to win on its own, otherwise they will not have CM of their choice like they had to make Manohar Joshi, Rane and Shinde as CM. It does not helps that much to have coalition government as they need to allign with BJP at centre and Maharashtra is a state which they would want to be in complete synergy with. There are strong renowned politicians in opposition which is why they fail in Maharshtra more often than not. They need to devlop many more politicians who will give them wins. Good work with the rural population is a must if thet want to win on their own.Tough job but possible.