Bumrah, Siraj are not built for 5 Test Match series

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

I was not talking about Current English bowlers alone. England is used to playing long test series . Broad   Anderson all have played long series.

 

You need endurance to withstand the rigors of five test series.

 

indian fast and seam bowlers don’t have it.

 

I referred to Anderson and Broad too.

 

They managed to play long test series because they did not play any other format after some years and this is how they managed their workloads.

 

Plus they did not bowl full tilt for the last many years of their careers. They had average speeds in the early 130s.

 

The current English pacers, who focus a lot on T20s, are not durable test bowlers.

[putrevus]

31 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I referred to Anderson and Broad too.

 

They managed to play long test series because they did not play any other format after some years and this is how they managed their workloads.

 

Plus they did not bowl full tilt for the last many years of their careers. They had average speeds in the early 130s.

 

The current English pacers, who focus a lot on T20s, are not durable test bowlers.

They were quite effective in those speeds also. Nobody is asking Indian bowlers to play all formats either.

 

If they want to play all formats it is upto them , they then cannot use that as excuse.

 

Indian fast bowlers simply are not capable of playing five test series.IMO they are just not good enough to have that intensity to play all five tests .

 

At home spinners take bulk load so playing five tests at home is okay.

 

 

Edited July 27, 2025 by putrevus

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

They were quite effective in those speeds also.

 

Broad averaged 38 in tests in Asia, 32 in tests away from home and 34 in tests in Australia, their arch-rivals.

 

Anderson averaged 34 in Australia and 30 away from home.

 

Below par ! 

 

 

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Nobody is asking Indian bowlers to play all formats either.

 

If they want to play all formats , they then cannot use that as excuse.

 

Indian bowlers simply are not capable of playing five test series.

 

At home spinners take bulk load so playing five test at home is okay.

 

 

Indian bowlers are not giving any excuses. 

 

Don't think long test series is their priority any more.

 

It is getting increasingly difficult to find younger pacers who want to really play test cricket even. 

[putrevus]

44 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Broad averaged 38 in tests in Asia, 32 in tests away from home and 34 in tests in Australia, their arch-rivals.

 

Anderson averaged 34 in Australia and 30 away from home.

 

Below par ! 

 

 

 

Indian bowlers are not giving any excuses. 

 

Don't think long test series is their priority any more.

 

It is getting increasingly difficult to find younger pacers who want to really play test cricket even. 

Atleast they lasted and played long series for years. Our bowlers cannot even do that.

 

Nobody cares what their priorities are, if they don't want to play test cricket that is fine let them make way for players who want to play test cricket.

 

Finding great young pacers will be difficult but finding young Indian fast bowlers who want to play test cricket is not going to be hard.

 

Siraj has played all four tests and I don't think anyone can find fault with his effort.He will play next test too.

 

Finding bowlers like Siraj is not going to be difficult.

 

That is why Aussie trio are way and above guys like Bumrah in my book.You cannot be effective for the team if you don't play.

 

Playing five test series is a privilege and it seperates pretenders from contenders and All time greatness.

 

 

I am happy India is playing five test series, and I hope they keep doing it.

Edited July 27, 2025 by putrevus

[LordPrabhzy]

6 hours ago, Gollum said:

Another thing is best athletes in Eng, Aus, RSA, NZ don't choose cricket. Their best go to football, rugby, AFL, tennis, boxing, MMA, cycling etc. And cricket in Eng is a very posh sport, played in some private schools...general public doesn't care (correct me if I am wrong @LordPrabhzy @Austin 3:!6). Not just football, 5-6 other sports have overtaken cricket since 2005 Ashes. 

 

No such restriction/bottleneck in a one sport country like India (only some pockets in Haryana/Punjab/NE where there is genuine craze and ambitions to excel in other sports. ) where most athletically inclined people want to become the next Sachin, MS, Kohli. Basically we play mid-tier/reject athlete goras in this sport. 

 Yes, most of the feeder players on county come from Private shcools, the state school system doesnt have any resoruces or coaching to produce really good cricketers as a general rule.

 

Cricket is probably the 4 or 5th most popular sport in the country and players in semi pro saturday leagues like Bradford league have better fitness and standards than Indian players thats why 95% of players in these leagues are white and most of the indian players ( uncles etc) play in lower shitty divisions. Its attitude as well, white players focus on technical play, skills, shot making, rotating strike but our indian players treat matches like a joke and blindly slog.. only want to bat, no game awareness, fielding skills ko to chodo

[Gollum]

3 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

players in semi pro saturday leagues like Bradford league have better fitness and standards than Indian players thats why 95% of players in these leagues are white and most of the indian players ( uncles etc) play in lower shitty divisions. Its attitude as well, white players focus on technical play, skills, shot making, rotating strike but our indian players treat matches like a joke and blindly slog.. only want to bat, no game awareness, fielding skills ko to chodo

They carry their bad habits with them from India. That's why despite our massive population in first world countries, we rarely see quality sportspersons. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Atleast they lasted and played long series for years. Our bowlers cannot even do that.

 

Nobody cares what their priorities are, if they don't want to play test cricket that is fine let them make way for players who want to play test cricket.

 

Finding great young pacers will be difficult but finding young Indian fast bowlers who want to play test cricket is not going to be hard.

 

Siraj has played all four tests and I don't think anyone can find fault with his effort.He will play next test too.

 

Finding bowlers like Siraj is not going to be difficult.

 

That is why Aussie trio are way and above guys like Bumrah in my book.You cannot be effective for the team if you don't play.

 

Playing five test series is a privilege and it seperates pretenders from contenders and All time greatness.

 

 

I am happy India is playing five test series, and I hope they keep doing it.

 

Priority is and should be to win big test series, especially away from home.

 

Just playing a mediocre bunch of players for 5 test series, and losing, makes no sense.

 

Play 4 test series and 3 test series with high quality players and play well and win.

 

Be smart.

 

 

Edited July 27, 2025 by express bowling

[deepdynamo]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Priority is and should be to win big test series, especially away from home.

 

Just playing a mediocre bunch of players for 5 test series, and losing, makes no sense.

 

Play 4 test series and 3 test series and play well and win.

 

Be smart.

 

 

 

Yes, why is 5 Test series a benchmark. Eng-Aus can play Ashes as long as they want. Why the need to copy it.

 

Teams are not playing even 3 tests let alone 4. Make a benchmark for 4 match marquee series vs Eng, Aus & 3 test match series vs SA, NZ --- home & away.

 

Thats a neat 28 high quality tests in 4 years.

 

 

Edited July 27, 2025 by deepdynamo

[putrevus]

18 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Priority is and should be to win big test series, especially away from home.

 

Just playing a mediocre bunch of players for 5 test series, and losing, makes no sense.

 

Play 4 test series and 3 test series and play well and win.

 

Be smart.

 

 

India won test which Bumrah did not play and has not won  any test which he played.

 

So playing bowlers who are willing to play tests and then 5 test series is first step.We don't need players who want to conserve so that they don't get hurt.

 

In India test cricket is still held at very high standard.

 

BCCI in my opinion has done great job in providing amenities for these players.

 

They have to play five test series against good teams that creates more drama. You just need to find durable players, not depend on one bowler.

 

Guys like Kohli and Shastri gave it all to turn India into great visiting team.It is now upto others take things forward.

 

All young players like Gill have given everything here,they care a lot about test cricket.

 

So test cricket is in fine health.Only thing we need to do is remove guys like Gambhir and get some competent people to coach.

Edited July 27, 2025 by putrevus

[MechEng]

@Gollum its not just the diet but genetics too determines sporting excellence. White and black races will still put on muscle and gain strength more easily than South Asians if fed the same Indian diet on a regular basis.

 

Heck, I might get abused here if I say this but Pakistanis on average too are more gifted physically than Indians and Bangladeshis. Its just that they don't have the brains to manage that talent unlike Turkey or Iran and rely too much on josh jazba junoon.

 

Indians excel more on cerebral tasks. That's why you will find that a standard Gujju entrepreneur has sharper business acumen than a Harvard passout despite not having much formal education.

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

 

Yes, why is 5 Test series a benchmark. Eng-Aus can play Ashes as long as they want. Why the need to copy it.

 

Teams are not playing even 3 tests let alone 4. Make a benchmark for 4 match marquee series vs Eng, Aus & 3 test match series vs SA, NZ --- home & away.

 

Thats a neat 28 high quality tests in 4 years.

 

 

England and Australia did not want to play five test series with India for one reason. They were never competitive.

 

Dhoni's teams were listless.

 

Kohli and Shastri turned India into competitive outfit but guys like Rohit ruined it. You need captain who is invested in test cricket and coach who knows what he is doing also to help his captain.

Edited July 27, 2025 by putrevus

[deepdynamo]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

England and Australia did not want to play five test series with India for one reason. They were never competitive.

 

Dhoni's teams were listless.

 

Kohli and Shastri turned India into competitive outfit but guys like Rohit ruined it. You need captain who is invested in test cricket and coach who knows what he is doing also to help his captain.

 

Yes, that's fine . There are only 5 competitive test teams- SENA+I. So, a 4 test match series is as important as 5 match series. India don't need to announce their financial supremacy by playing a grueling 5 test series. They can very easily create their own marquee series ( 4 matches).

 

Teams are skipping tests - even SA & NZ  but India is playing 5 against Aus & Eng but only 2 tests vs NZ, SA. That for me is serious imbalance.

[putrevus]

7 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

 

Yes, that's fine . There are only 5 competitive test teams- SENA+I. So, a 4 test match series is as important as 5 match series. India don't need to announce their financial supremacy by playing a grueling 5 test series. They can very easily create their own marquee series ( 4 matches).

 

Teams are skipping tests - even SA & NZ  but India is playing 5 against Aus & Eng but only 2 tests vs NZ, SA. That for me is serious imbalance.

You cannot blame big three for the imbalance.

 

India is not playing five test series against SL. Australia and England are also not playing five test series against anyone else.Only big three are playing those five test series.As the series have been good.

 

If countries cannot self sustain , no amount of charity by ICC and BCCI will sustain.

Edited July 27, 2025 by putrevus

[express bowling]

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

India won test which Bumrah did not play and has not won  any test which he played.

 

 

Since Bumrah's test debut, India has won  11 tests in SENA snd Bumrah has featured in 9 of them.

 

Picking just the last 4 games won't give a correct picture.

[Gollum]

1 hour ago, deepdynamo said:

Teams are skipping tests - even SA & NZ  but India is playing 5 against Aus & Eng but only 2 tests vs NZ, SA. That for me is serious imbalance.

Fully agree bro. Ind vs RSA/NZ should be at least 3 test series. Often those two teams have provided tougher challenges than Eng/Aus. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, MechEng said:

Pakistanis on average too are more gifted physically than Indians and Bangladeshis

Not Pakistanis but Pashtuns.. the hilly areas of GB .. Chitral etc too have those features.

 

Karachi walas are your regular Sindhis or close to it..  Baloch are distinct altogether 

Rest Pakjabi Muslim are your usual Gujjar, Rajput, Jats Araians you find in North Western India.

That's majority of their population. 

 

Bangladeshis are lowest of the low.  They neither are physically nor mentally gifted.

History have shown those areas fell astonishingly easily to invaders without much of a fight.

Edited July 27, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[MechEng]

27 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Not Pakistanis but Pashtuns.. the hilly areas of GB .. Chitral etc too have those features.

 

Karachi walas are your regular Sindhis or close to it..  Baloch are distinct altogether 

Rest Pakjabi Muslim are your usual Gujjar, Rajput, Jats Araians you find in North Western India.

That's majority of their population. 

 

Bangladeshis are lowest of the low.  They neither are physically nor mentally gifted.

History have shown those areas fell astonishingly easily to invaders without much of a fight.

 

Bangladeshis have made contributions to engineering, in fact most Bangladeshis that I've met in the US were academically more succesful than Pakistanis.

 

However, thay does not stop me from finding kanglus insufferable.

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

GG press conference lmao... This guy has completely lost it

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, deepdynamo said:

 

Yes, why is 5 Test series a benchmark. Eng-Aus can play Ashes as long as they want. Why the need to copy it.

 

Teams are not playing even 3 tests let alone 4. Make a benchmark for 4 match marquee series vs Eng, Aus & 3 test match series vs SA, NZ --- home & away.

 

Thats a neat 28 high quality tests in 4 years.

 

 

This has impacted England as well. Let us not get fooled by STokes performances here. He is not coming after 5 test series in Australia last december.

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Since Bumrah's test debut, India has won  11 tests in SENA snd Bumrah has featured in 9 of them.

 

Picking just the last 4 games won't give a correct picture.

No one is arguing against Bumrah ‘s quality.

 

I will take Bumrah on one leg in any match but I would not want him to play if he is worried about injury.

 

We will need players who want to play and excel in test cricket.All young players in this series have shown they are very much interested in playing test cricket.