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For the first time in Indian cricket history, we have these many young high quality lefties in our system.

 

Jaiswal, Pant, Sundar, Kuldeep....top of the shelf quality in test cricket, high ceiling guys. Not including Jaddu who is almost 37 now !!!!!

 

Abhishek

Tilak

Sai

Padikkal

Axar

Dube

Rinku

Arshdeep

 

Almost all these guys have shown their clutchness in recent tourneys. 

 

Then you have:

 

Ishan Kishan

Vaibhav Suryavanshi

Priyansh Arya

Nehal Wadhera

Khaleel

Mohsin

Sai Kishore

Manav Suthar

 

Probably missing many names here, feel free to fill in. 

 

What explains the change? Because historically India hasn't produced many quality lefties, and not a single ATG. Now we have potentially 5-6 guys who can become legends of the sport. And others who will have very successful careers and contributions in trophy wins. 

 

Solves many recurring problems like facing left arm late swing, SLAs. Also lefties tend to be tougher to plan against, guys like Cummins, Hazlewood average 10 pts higher against LHBs. 

 

Can we expect more tournament victories henceforth because of this change?

 

Posted (edited)

2013-23 team was so flawed. RHB heavy, so left arm pacers with new ball were always a problem especially in pressure games. Also very thin batting from #4, top 3 would do well whole tournament and then go MIA come KO time. 

 

Now good L-R combo throughout, very tough to plan against. Also nice mix between spin and pace hitters......with Rinku and Dube at the crease, dilemna for opponent captain whether to deploy pace or spin. 

 

What about leftie pace bowlers? That is one area we may be lacking. @express bowling @Suhaan @vishalvirsingh

Edited by Gollum
Posted
19 minutes ago, Gollum said:

For the first time in Indian cricket history, we have these many young high quality lefties in our system.

 

Jaiswal, Pant, Sundar, Kuldeep....top of the shelf quality in test cricket, high ceiling guys. Not including Jaddu who is almost 37 now !!!!!

 

Abhishek

Tilak

Sai

Padikkal

Axar

Dube

Rinku

Arshdeep

 

Almost all these guys have shown their clutchness in recent tourneys. 

 

Then you have:

 

Ishan Kishan

Vaibhav Suryavanshi

Priyansh Arya

Nehal Wadhera

Khaleel

Mohsin

Sai Kishore

Manav Suthar

 

Probably missing many names here, feel free to fill in. 

 

What explains the change? Because historically India hasn't produced many quality lefties, and not a single ATG. Now we have potentially 5-6 guys who can become legends of the sport. And others who will have very successful careers and contributions in trophy wins. 

 

Solves many recurring problems like facing left arm late swing, SLAs. Also lefties tend to be tougher to plan against, guys like Cummins, Hazlewood average 10 pts higher against LHBs. 

 

Can we expect more tournament victories henceforth because of this change?

 

I think just the general increase in infrastructure.

 

Should just keep batting till 8 with L-R throughout. Has helped us massively.

Posted
8 minutes ago, Gollum said:

2013-23 team was so flawed. RHB heavy, so left arm pacers with new ball were always a problem especially in pressure games. Also very thin batting from #4, top 3 would do well whole tournament and then go MIA come KO time. 

 

Now good L-R combo throughout, very tough to plan against. Also nice mix between spin and pace hitters......with Rinku and Dube at the crease, dilemna for opponent captain whether to deploy pace or spin. 

 

What about leftie pace bowlers? That is one area we may be lacking. @express bowling @Suhaan @vishalvirsingh

Almost perfect team.

 

Only thing that would make it better are bowlers who could bat a bit. Indian main T20 bowlers are the best in the world though.

 

That deep batting and lefties saved us in both 24 WC and 25 CT as well as this final tbh.

Posted
2 hours ago, Gollum said:

2013-23 team was so flawed. RHB heavy, so left arm pacers with new ball were always a problem especially in pressure games. Also very thin batting from #4, top 3 would do well whole tournament and then go MIA come KO time. 

 

Now good L-R combo throughout, very tough to plan against. Also nice mix between spin and pace hitters......with Rinku and Dube at the crease, dilemna for opponent captain whether to deploy pace or spin. 

 

What about leftie pace bowlers? That is one area we may be lacking. @express bowling @Suhaan @vishalvirsingh

Noone near in the sight ,wait for a good left armer is not getting over anytime soon

Arshdeep is good but he needs to work hard in FCs to work on longer spells

If he somehow gets better in batting he surely can give you 5-6 overs in Odis though not much

Yash Dayal,Ashwani Kumar,Mohsin Khan,Desi Starc doesn't impress me much

If we are not getting them its ok,we should be more worried about loosing our right armers who could have been far better Tyagi,Mayank,Umran all of them are quite capable,what we have in hand shoulybe carefully handled, shouldn't be prioritising those mediocre left armers for the sake of it

Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, deathmonger said:

A lot of them are tall and swaggy too.

 

Economic reforms finally coming through big time.

 

 

Hombale should seriously think about roping in Matt Hayden as antagonist,he can be your biggest Telugu cinema phenom

 

"Ok Hombale i forgot is from Kannada industry , someone pointed it out,so correcting it

Edited by Suhaan
Posted
14 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Hombale should seriously think about roping in Matt Hayden as antagonist,he can be your biggest Telegu cinema phenom

Its telugu not telegu. I can also call hindi as dindi and homble is kannada production. You seem like typical uttar bharatiya for whom all south languages are madrasi:whack2:

Posted
2 minutes ago, govinda said:

Its telugu not telegu. I can also call hindi as dindi and homble is kannada production. You seem like typical uttar bharatiya for whom all south languages are madrasi:whack2:

Mythri Movie Makers hahaha

Posted
3 hours ago, Gollum said:

For the first time in Indian cricket history, we have these many young high quality lefties in our system.

 

Jaiswal, Pant, Sundar, Kuldeep....top of the shelf quality in test cricket, high ceiling guys. Not including Jaddu who is almost 37 now !!!!!

 

Abhishek

Tilak

Sai

Padikkal

Axar

Dube

Rinku

Arshdeep

 

Almost all these guys have shown their clutchness in recent tourneys. 

 

Then you have:

 

Ishan Kishan

Vaibhav Suryavanshi

Priyansh Arya

Nehal Wadhera

Khaleel

Mohsin

Sai Kishore

Manav Suthar

 

Probably missing many names here, feel free to fill in. 

 

What explains the change? Because historically India hasn't produced many quality lefties, and not a single ATG. Now we have potentially 5-6 guys who can become legends of the sport. And others who will have very successful careers and contributions in trophy wins. 

 

Solves many recurring problems like facing left arm late swing, SLAs. Also lefties tend to be tougher to plan against, guys like Cummins, Hazlewood average 10 pts higher against LHBs. 

 

Can we expect more tournament victories henceforth because of this change?

 

 

Clutch of good left arm spinners too, some of whom can bat to varying degrees 

 

Manav Suthar, looks promising and probably a better option overseas than Axar given he can actually flight and drift the ball.

 

Harsh Dubey of course 

 

Nishant Sindhu, closer to a genuine all rounder as opposed to a bowler who can bat like Manav is

 

Shams Mulani, older war horse who gets forgotten about amidst the youngsters but been consistent over many years . Decent lower bat too. Would arguably get into a lot of test teams 

 

Kumar Karthikeya again been consistent for years now and can even bowl a bit of left arm wrist spin 

 

 

Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, Gollum said:

 

 

What about leftie pace bowlers? That is one area we may be lacking. @express bowling @Suhaan @vishalvirsingh

 

 

Arshdeep and Khaleel are the front-runners.

 

Mukesh Chaudhary had moderate potential but has fallen behind in the pecking order.

 

Dayal has become too slow. 

 

Personally, apart from Arshdeep in T20Is, I am not interested in the current bunch of Indian LAFM / LAMF near Team India selection. And we have never had any LAFs.

Edited by express bowling
Posted
1 hour ago, govinda said:

Its telugu not telegu. I can also call hindi as dindi and homble is kannada production. You seem like typical uttar bharatiya for whom all south languages are madrasi:whack2:

Sorry ,was a mistake 

Naah it's not like every language from south is Tamil for me,it was just a mistake

 

 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Sorry ,was a mistake 

Naah it's not like every language from south is Tamil for me,it was just a mistake

 

 

Ok bro it hurts when people from our own country mispronounce names or call us madrasi no haterd  against north bros

Posted (edited)
11 hours ago, Gollum said:

2013-23 team was so flawed. RHB heavy, so left arm pacers with new ball were always a problem especially in pressure games. Also very thin batting from #4, top 3 would do well whole tournament and then go MIA come KO time. 

 

Now good L-R combo throughout, very tough to plan against. Also nice mix between spin and pace hitters......with Rinku and Dube at the crease, dilemna for opponent captain whether to deploy pace or spin. 

 

What about leftie pace bowlers? That is one area we may be lacking. @express bowling @Suhaan @vishalvirsingh

I do not have much knowledge about the upcoming talents but among the ones which are playing for IPL, among left arm bowlers, khaleel is my pick for ODI and TESTS and SARDAR Arshdeep suits t20. 

Sardar arsh has some issues and some strength in his bowling- he bowls a perfect 142k yorker and bowls a useless 128k length ball , one ball will be perfect with bounce from near to mid of the pitch and one will be a short ball. i am not convinced that he is better than others for odi and tests.

 

Khaleel is also up and down but i think he bowls from 130 to 147k and is definitely india's best left armer.

Yash Dayal was never played even when he was picked and he tries tricks which is good but he is basically a trundler. if he is unable to move the ball then he trundles badly.

they are talking about gurjapneet singh too...his action was a bit different but he is 120 to 134k which is not too impressive.

 

i think now gurnoor brar 6 ft 5 inches guy is going to play for india soon.

 

 

 

 

Edited by vishalvirsingh
Posted (edited)
12 hours ago, Gollum said:

2013-23 team was so flawed. RHB heavy, so left arm pacers with new ball were always a problem especially in pressure games. Also very thin batting from #4, top 3 would do well whole tournament and then go MIA come KO time. 

 

Now good L-R combo throughout, very tough to plan against. Also nice mix between spin and pace hitters......with Rinku and Dube at the crease, dilemna for opponent captain whether to deploy pace or spin. 

 

What about leftie pace bowlers? That is one area we may be lacking. @express bowling @Suhaan @vishalvirsingh

Fast Bowling resources have depleted badly in last 4-5 years, there was no plan to develop and bowlers. Ind lost Umesh, Ishant, Shami and Siraj is also on decline (yes he had good eng series but he is declining).

 

Who did Ind add who were the the bowlers who got chance ??-- Khaleel -- he never improved. Mukesh and Avesh who never graduated to next level. All Ind tm ans selctors invested were LA/RA nothing kind of bowlers.

 

 

The next LA fast options Ind have are :: Dayal (google about him ), 

Khaleel --he never improved ,think he is ok as long as he get IPL contracts even if benched 

 

Mukesh Choudhary -- Decline after injury

Arshad khan -- Can be a t20 prospect not sure of Intnl quality but touches 140s , can bat a bit (hit 4/6)

Naman Tiyagi -- Should get IPL contract this year , in UP t20 was bowling quick touching 140s frequently and once touched 145 kmph and was getting into early 140s regularly

Gurjapneet-- has nothing apart from height, he was bowling below 125 kmph in tnpl t20 

There was another LA bowler in Upt20 league he was getting wkts in 1st over but donot think he was 135 kmph bolwer

 

 

Edited by tapandrun
Posted

2024 T20 WC win and 2025 CT win and now this Asia Cup win is result of India's preference to have more lefties in the line up.

 

Nawaz couldn't even bowl against us in the final when ball was spinning so much coz of two left handers.

 

BGT 2021 our lefties troubled Australian pace attack at their peak.  It was accidental almost... We stumbled onto that strategy.

 

2025 Eng test tour we also employed these tactics somewhat that helped and gave us results in the end.

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